[Reader-list] Fwd: FW: JKLF Historic Exhibition

radhikarajen at vsnl.net radhikarajen at vsnl.net
Mon Mar 24 14:55:28 IST 2008 

Hi,

  true, violence begets more of it, but the fact of the matter is all greed and seekers of power, know the use of violence as means to gather votes, on the sympathy wave generation, violence is the means to eliminate any possible able leader with "accidents" like in the case of a Scindia, Pilot, Sivayogi, then speaker, Pramod mahajan, irrespective of political parties, tall banyan tree does not allow any grass under its shadow to grow. ?
  Just see the way media and in its dirty dozen promoting Rahul, when more mature young blood is ready to be in the lead. !  Sycophants want a puppet but that puppet turns monster with power corrupting absolutely. ?
----- Original Message -----
From: Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, March 22, 2008 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fwd: FW: JKLF Historic Exhibition
To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
Cc: reader-list at sarai.net

> Hi,
> 
> To get back to the topic at hand:
> 
> 1.  Is violence the only answer, and will it solve anything (other 
> thankilling
>     many more people) ?
> 
> 2.  Why is the central question of survival and re-institution 
> being ignored
>     with shrill insistence upon retribution?
> 
> 3.  If the only requirement is retribution (as seems to be the 
> constantdemand)
>     instead of more urgent requirements like rehabilitation, then 
> lets just
> set up
>     a 'kill list' and get it over and done with - and in the same 
> processcommitting
>     the same crime as those we are pointing our fingers at.
> 
> Any answers? Actual answers - and not jumping around specific 
> words and
> sentences without referring to the central issues.
> 
> Rgds, Partha
> .............................................
> 
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 2:14 PM, <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi, all.
> >
> >  All said and done, let us not forget that Mohandas Karamchand 
> gandhi was
> > as human as all of us, and he had greater vision of free India 
> which did not
> > include divided national boundaries on the faith, and Nethaji 
> Subhash was
> > popularly elected president of then plenary session of Indian 
> national> Congress, in 1939, it is different matter that  " High 
> Command " then chose
> > Jawahar Nehru to be president., over the popular choice of nethaji.
> >
> >  Secondly, Gandhiji, being human had human fault lines as all of us,
> > reluctantly agreed for division of the nation on faith, thus 
> Pakistan was
> > born as free India emerged, to a remark of nethaJI THAT IS THE 
> NATION, WHICH
> > SAW THE SACRIFICES OF MILLIONS OF INDIANS   BOTH FROM HINDUS AND 
> MUSLIMS,> SHOULD BE DIVIDED AS IF BOUNTY OF A LOOT. ?
> >
> >   THIRDLY,GANDHIJI WAS IN FREE iNDIA NEVER ASPIRED FOR ANY POWER OR
> > POSITION lIKE NEHRU WHO WANTED TO SIDELINE EVERYBODY AND BE  
> prime minister
> >  HIMSELF. His greed for position and favour and nepotism and 
> dynastical> fervour is seen in free India.
> >  Gandhiji never "helped" his progeny to be "leaders" like the 
> Rajeevs and
> > Indiras of nehru dynasty All said and done, Gandhiji was good 
> human, with
> > good morals and ethics unlike his betenoire, Nehru, debauch, 
> selfish, never
> > cared for kashmiri displaced brothers.
> > Regards..
> > From: we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:38 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fwd: FW: JKLF Historic Exhibition
> > To: Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com>, Pawan Durani <
> > pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> >
> > > Partha,
> > >
> > >       Mahatma gandhi was in 1900 around and this is 2000.  Kindly
> > > note the difference in everything.
> > >
> > >  >>>a) Never claimed to be a 'secularist', pseudo or 
> otherwise. I
> > > just follow
> > > >>>what I believe is right.
> > >
> > >  What if somebody or everybody feel wrong about that.  Will you
> > > reconsider it or still proceed in the same way.  Whatever be the
> > > case you must be either intellectual or an idiot.  I really sorry
> > > to say this.
> > >
> > >  >>>b) I firmly believe that the cycle of violence will only
> > > breed hate and
> > > >>>more violence and can not be a solution.
> > >
> > >  "violence is the only solution for violence."
> > >  you should question both quarreling parties instead of asking
> > > only one. Listen their answers understand them and then start
> > > believing anything.
> > >
> > >  >>>d) As for double standards and your dissapointment, what I do
> > > or profess to
> > > >>>here is not to make or lose friends. Don't know anyone on this
> > > list except my cousin
> > > >>>who introduced me, and really couldn't be bothered who thinks
> > > what of me.
> > > >>>Am here for the sole purpose of knowing view points and
> > > engaging in a
> > > >>>debate when I find it interesting (and if I have the time).
> > >
> > >  What do your cousin feel about youself???
> > >
> > >  JAI HIND INDIA.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >  Dhatri.
> > >
> > > Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >  Pawan,
> > >
> > > a) Never claimed to be a 'secularist', pseudo or otherwise. I just
> > > followwhat I believe is right.
> > >
> > > b) I firmly believe that the cycle of violence will only breed
> > > hate and
> > > more violence and
> > > can not be a solution.
> > >
> > > c) I have no idea what 'filth' you refer to about Asit (presume
> > > that is
> > > 'AsitRed'). However,
> > > must admit that I rarely read what he writes as he writes in a 
> block> > without
> > > punctuation or paras that I find impossible to comprehend.
> > >
> > > d) As for double standards and your dissapointment, what I do or
> > > profess to
> > > here is not
> > > to make or lose friends. Don't know anyone on this list except my
> > > cousinwho
> > > introduced me, and really couldn't be bothered who thinks what 
> of me.
> > > Am here for the sole purpose of knowing view points and engaging
> > > in a
> > > debate when
> > > I find it interesting (and if I have the time).
> > >
> > > e) Why do you always by-pass the point in contention - that is 
> -
> > > are you
> > > proposing that
> > > the solution to Yasin Malik and the violence in J&K is more
> > > violence -
> > > because that is
> > > what is coming out from your responses and your avoiding the moot
> > > pointof the debate.
> > >
> > > Rgds, Partha
> > > .....................
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Pawan Durani
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Partha ,
> > > >
> > > > Among many Pseudo secular over here , i still continued to trust
> > > you to
> > > > some extent. However I must admit that you too ,like others in
> > > the bunch,
> > > > maintain double standards.
> > > >
> > > > You had no words when the Asit ( Lal Salaam) , writes filth 
> against> > > Kashmiri Hindus , while as you always seem to be 
> ready at the
> > > start up line
> > > > of 100 mts once Kashmiri Muslim terrorists are discussed.
> > > >
> > > > Disappointed !
> > > >
> > > > Pawan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3/19/08, Partha Dasgupta
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Pawan,
> > > > >
> > > > > That still doesn't answer the question: Do you think that 
> the only
> > > > > response to violence should be violence?
> > > > >
> > > > > Because, if so, there will never be an end to the struggle 
> -
> > > just more
> > > > > death and hate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rgds, Partha
> > > > > ...................
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Pawan Durani
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > And neither Have Kashmiri Hindus ever believed in Violence
> > > ......But> > > again we have no love for a Psycopath killer like
> > > Yasine> > >
> > > > > > On 3/19/08, Partha Dasgupta
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Pawan,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do hope you are not saying that because you consider
> > > Yasin Malik a
> > > > > > > "killer/terrorist" that the only language he will
> > > understand is your
> > > > > > > shooting / killing him in the same manner.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do try and remember that the nation of India achieved it's
> > > freedom> > > > through Mahatma Gandhi who did NOT fight back with
> > > violence. One of the
> > > > > > > reasons he's considered the "Father of the Nation'...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rgds, Partha
> > > > > > > ......................................
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Pawan Durani <
> > > > > > > pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And what manner of protest would a killer /terrorist
> > > understand ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just Curious ......
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 3/18/08, Partha Dasgupta
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't know about the feet licking part (always
> > > considered it
> > > > > > > > > unhygienic),
> > > > > > > > > however, I do like the idea of peace.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I do hope you don't disagree with the concept of peace
> > > in J&K?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As for the "piece of mind" bit - well, that's
> > > something all
> > > > > > > > > public figures
> > > > > > > > > have to live with - some people agree and some don't.
> > > If it
> > > > > > > > > makes you
> > > > > > > > > happier to see people fighting and shouting, then 
> I would
> > > > > > > > > certainly disagree
> > > > > > > > > in the manner of protest.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rgds, Partha
> > > > > > > > > ......................................
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul <
> > > > > > > > > kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > God Bless Terrorist Yasin Malik of JKLF - The
> > > organiser of
> > > > > > > > > this session of
> > > > > > > > > > brainwashing. May God as well bless people who lick
> > > his feet
> > > > > > > > > in Delhi.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For Your Information, Yasin was given a good piece
> > > of mind
> > > > > > > > > inside and
> > > > > > > > > > outside the venue of the India Today Conclave 2008
> > > where he
> > > > > > > > > was a guest
> > > > > > > > > > speaker. For more information and pictures; visit:
> > > > > > > > > > www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Aditya Raj Kaul
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 3/17/08, inder salim wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > > > > > > > From: S. Jabbar
> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 1:49 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: FW: JKLF Historic Exhibition
> > > > > > > > > > > To: sheba
> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: Binalakshmi Nepram
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > > > > > JKLF presents:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Voices of Peace, Voices of Freedom
> > > > > > > > > > > Photo and video exhibition of JKLFs Historic 
> 114 day
> > > > > > > > > > > nonviolent march through the valley of Kashmir
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Date: March 19,2008.
> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 11 am
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Venue: Indian Social Institute,
> > > > > > > > > > > 10 Institutional Area
> > > > > > > > > > > Lodi Road
> > > > > > > > > > > New Delhi
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Maqbool Manzil,Maisooma,Srinagar,
> > > > > > > > > > > Contact:2474882-2481844,
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.jklfkashmir.org
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.jklf.org.uk
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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