[Reader-list] Baggage of JKLF is too heavy to carry-by Dr.Shabir - For Sonia

Rebellious Koshur rebelliouskoshur at yahoo.co.uk
Sat May 10 12:18:10 IST 2008 

Sonia,
   
  The problem with "activists" like you is that you pick and choose the issues which concern you and not the people on ground. The issues which you have raised are least of the concern for Kashmiris. Our prime concern is not the wealth acquired by the pro-freedom politicians but it is freedom from ruthless India and Indians. People, who claim to be our friends as we don’t need masters, should support us in our endeavors. 
   
  The issue of accountability of our politicians is an internal matter of Kashmiris which we are proficient enough to deal with. We know who has done what; you need not bother yourself with our internal affairs. Being an Indian it is your responsibility to question the presence of Indian army in Kashmir; the brutality of Indian soldiers; the criminal policies of Indian politicians. Demonstrate your principled stand vis-à-vis Indian policies on Kashmir. We the people of Kashmir will take account of the blunders of our politicians and militants. We know who killed whom and why. We know where from the money came, for what it was spent, and how much did the politicians use for themselves. We till now have and in future will do the needful. You please keep out of it, because this is not India. It is Kashmir. You, the Indian civil society activists, seem to be behaving in the same hegemonic attitude which the Indian statecraft has exhibited so far in Kashmir.
   
  It is ridiculous when you say Kashmiri society is “deeply divided”. Is it not true for India? Is it not true for Delhi? Is it not true for the small locality where you live in Delhi? Yes Kashmiris are divided and I see it as the democratic mindset of the people. The division which you are talking about is the difference of opinion which is present everywhere in the modern democratic world.
   
  You have asked a Junaid how many JKLF men were killed by army and how many by Hizbula Mujahideen. It is useless to misinterpret things as people here know the truth about each and every killing. There is no need for them to share it with you. Why should we trust you? 
   
  For the purpose of clarity, I would like to quote the figures of a survey done by a Srinagar based organization, Coalition of Civil Society. According to their survey in Baramulla district, the total number of JKLF men who got killed in Baramulla only is 180. Out of the 180 JKLF men 115 have been killed by Indian armed forces. Hizbul Mujahideen has killed 8 JKLF members while as other militant organizations have killed 15 JKLF men. JKLF itself has killed 3 of there members. There are around 39 JKLF members who have been killed by “unidentified gunmen”. People here in Kashmir understand who these unidentified gunmen are.
   
  What I could understand from your post was that you think JKLF has suffered more because of Hizbul Mujahideen compared to Indian army while as the truth according to the Baramulla survey of Coalition of Civil Society is that 87 JKLF members have been martyred during the encounters with Indian army. 13 have been killed in custody. Another 6 have been subjected to enforced disappearance from Baramulla district amongst the JKLF members. 
   
  Why are you unnecessarily defaming JKLF cadres? I know you have great friendship with Yasin Malik but even he won’t deny that India is his enemy and not Hizbul Mujahideen.
   
  Qalab Hussain


"S. Jabbar" <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:  Dear Junaid,


You ask why anyone else (besides the Indian intelligence agencies) would
want to kill anti-India political figures? This is precisely the line of
reasoning that a researcher in the US or UK ignorant of the ground in
Kashmir would take. I'd expect a little more nuance from a researcher of
conflict and that can only happen if one takes the trouble to do a little
more work in the field.

If you are a Kashmiri old enough to follow the careers of people like Moulvi
Farooq, Qazi Nissar, Abdul Ghani Lone, Dr. Guru, Prof Wani, Ghulam Qadir
Wani and many others you will realize that each was killed at the point when
he tried to assert an independent line of thinking or advocated talks with
India or did not quite bend to the will of his political masters in
Pakistan. 

As I have said earlier in this forum no one in their right mind can defend
what the Indian troops and intelligence agencies have done in Kashmir, but I
think if one is to try and make some sense of what you have rightly
described as a dirty war, one needs to first take a dispassionate view of
what went down in the last two decades. This includes apportioning
responsibility-- as far as it is possible-- for the political assassinations
and the massacres.

And why do you call the Ikhwanis 'my poor' favourite whipping boys? I had
clearly said I held no brief for them. Did you not read my post carefully or
do you still choose to read me selectively? The reason I pointed out their
role of the fall guy was that they are the mere foot soldiers and not the
generals that dictate the course of this war. If blame is to be pinned it
finally must be the general who takes the rap.

Of course some Ikhwani leaders have made a lot of money and it is all
despicable blood money. But this is well known. Why is it that you are not
as vocal about the blood money and the palatial homes of the separatists?
What is their source of income, how have they grown so rich in the last
twenty years, how do they fund their political activities, and how is it
that the Indian state allows it? Not only that, the Indian state pays the
medical bills for many separatist leaders who have been periodically
hospitalized and provides security cover for them with J&K Police guarding
their homes and offices.

Why is that? Is this usual or unusual? Does the endless dragging on, the
seeming intractableness of the situation have anything at all to do with
this? Can you imagine the Sri Lankan state doing the same for Prabhakaran?
For me these are far more interesting questions and if one tries to answer
them honestly a far more complex picture develops than the simple one of the
bad Ikhwani-- who, incidentally was good when he fought for Pakistan and
became bad the moment he switched sides in 1994.

And why did the Ikhwanis switch sides? Were they all congenital 'gaddars'
and 'mukhbirs' or were there other compulsions? Of the many JKLF fighters
who were wiped out in the early '90s how many fell to the bullets of the
Indian army and how many to the Hizbul Mujahideen?

I ask all these questions because it is vital that Kashmiris themselves, at
least privately, begin to ask them. For all the talk of the Kashmiri's
alienation from India, nobody speaks of the alienation within Kashmir.
Kashmiri society is deeply divided between those who are labeled Indian
agents and Pakistani agents, between those that everyone knows benefited
from the war and the ordinary citizen, between the Jamaatis and the rest.
This has been the most tragic fallout of the war-- this and the terrible
silence that surrounds the killings and rapes by the militants. It may seem
unthinkable but one day there will be peace in Kashmir. How will this
society heal when there are these terrible divisions, fear, suspicion?

Once South Africa won its independence it constituted the Truth &
Reconciliation Commission. This was because the ANC leadership was mature
enough to realize that though history belongs to the victors it would be
disastrous for future generations if South Africa were to whitewash its past
where terrible atrocities were committed on both sides. But truth was to
come before reconciliations, and this was often a bitter and painful
experience where family members had to confront the killers of their loved
ones. I'm not sure whether the South African experience had a fairytale
ending but it seems to me the right direction to take for societies to heal
post-conflicts. 

Will this ever happen in Kashmir or indeed in South Asia? I have my doubts.
We have a terrible knack of sweeping things under the carpet and pretending
it never happened. All cataclysms have been dealt with, with tiresome
familiarity, whether mass rapes by the Pakistan Army in Bangladesh (for
which incidentally only women's organisations in Pakistan apologized) or the
Indian state's involvement in 1984 anti-Sikh Pogrom or Gujarat or the NE or
Kashmir. 

And where does one start the truth & reconciliation part between Kashmir and
the rest of India when the government has blatantly shielded officers in the
Indian Army despite being chargesheeted by institutions like the CBI? Where
does truth & reconciliation begin between Muslims and Pandits when it is
still widely believed that Jagmohan engineered the exodus? Or between
families of the Ikhwan and the rest or families of the Jamaatis and the
rest? It requires a certain honesty and moral courage to answer these
questions squarely. I hope some day at least some of us will be able to
rise to the occasion.



And finally, please stop referring to me as Ms. Jabbar. My name is Sonia and
I'd prefer it if you just used that.

Best wishes,
Sonia

On 5/9/08 10:21 PM, "junaid" wrote:

> Ms Jabbar,In a dirty war like Kashmir, where it is difficult to determine who
> the real killers of these pro-independence Kashmiri leaders are, people would
> naturally point the finger at the government. These leaders,
> throughtout their lives, espoused the cause of
> Kashmir's separation from India; and it should have been reason
> enough for government agencies to get rid of them. Why would anyone else
> have reason to kill all these anti-India figures? And these were not the only
> ones, there are thousands more. And if people say government killed them,
> then as always it falls upon the people's shoulders to prove the
> government's complicity! And it is not easy. Kashmiris don't have the
> kind of resources to resolve all these cases to convince you. (There
> is no CIA, or Western support, or people coming to blow out Olympic torches on
> Western streets). Cases like Pathribal killings, and G M
> Padder's case, or even the sex abuse scandal, are only a few that
> ever come out to blow the tightly-held lid off Indian government's
> actions in Kashmir. Well even those cases don't seem to produce any
> doubt in Indian people about what their goverment tells them to
> believe. The role of government-sponsored renegade militias in
> Kashmir, though not as bad as the actions of actual Indian troops, is
> terrible. The untold miseries they inflicted upon their own people, under
> the cover of Indian agencies, is not really well documented. I dont
> expect any probe from the Indian government ever into it. But I am sure
> if you actually listen to common people, instead of just
> "visiting" as "experts", they will tell you. Public memory in Kashmir is
> quite strong, and impervious to "healing touches" and "hearts and
> minds". Well, though you have no reason to believe the Human Rights
> Watch, I am still sending you a link which indicts your poor
> "favourite whipping boys", who are now living in palatial houses next to army
> camps.http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/kashmir/1996/Junaid  ****** 
>     Partha,Akhila Raman is based in the US and this 2002
> article is one that has beenput together from secondary sources. Her
> allegations about Chittisinghporaand attributing the assassinations of
> politicians like Dr. Guru, MirwaizFarooq and Abdul Ghani Lone to the renegades
> is mere conjecture. Though Ihold no brief for them they are everybody's
> favourite whipping boys. But thepicture is far more complex than the one
> presented by this article.BestsoniaOn 5/9/08 2:58 PM, "Partha Dasgupta"
> wrote:> Hi,Interesting article on 'renegade militants' being used by the
> governments> onboth sides of the>
> border.http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/11241Rgds,>
> Partha................On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul>
> wrote:> Agencies at work on both sides maybe. My> friend; there is a lot
> beyond> ideologies here. Politics in its worst form;> is played to make
> things> remain> in status quo. God Bless this street dirt> Yasin
> Malik; who is being used> today; who knows what will happen tomrw with>
> him... May he have the same> fate; what he did to thousands of>
> people...!!!>> Regards>>> On 5/9/08, Partha Dasgupta>
> wrote:> >> > Hi,> >> > I thought that the ideology>
> of the JKLF was (and is) 'a united and> > independent Kashmir'.>
> >> > If> so, how does an Indian or a Pakistani side come into
> it?> >> > Irrespective> of all this, the fact remains is that
> it is highly unlikely> > that India or> Pakistan will give up their
> respective portions under any> > circumstances.>> >> >
> Rgds, Partha> > ....................................> >> >
> On Fri,> May 9, 2008 at 1:18 PM, rashneek kher > wrote:> >>
> > >> Qalab Bhai,> > >> > > Why blame poor Shabir
> Chaudhaury?Yasin Malik himself> has switched to> > Indian> >
> > side.> > > I am not claiming anything....>> > >>
> > > Rashneek> > >> > >> > > On 5/9/08,
> Rebellious Koshur> wrote:> > > >> > > >
> Rashneek,> > > >> > >> > It is unfortunate that
> after Dr. Shabir Chudhry has switched the side> >> to> > >
> > the Indian camp, his ideas make sense to you. He was very much>
> >> defending> > > > each and every action of Yasin Malik for
> years, why didn't> you quote> > him> > > > then. You
> would claim that he is repentant but> people in Kashmir> >
> believe> > > he> > > > is denigrated.> > >
> >> > > >> Qalab Hussain> > > >> > >
> > *rashneek kher * wrote:> >> > >> > > > and
> this one isn't based on my data.......> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> By Dr Shabir Choudhry> > > >> >
> > > London, May 8 (ANI): Jammu and Kashmir> Liberation Front (JKLF)
> is a> > > sacred> > > > name for some, as they>
> sacrificed their lives and everything else> they> > > > valued
> in name of> liberating the state.> > > >> > > >
> They did that to promote the name of> JKLF believing that they were>
> > doing> > > > this for a good cause and for> the betterment
> of their divided and> > > oppressed> > > > nation.>
> > > >>> > > > But there are many who disagree with
> this. They believe that the JKLF>> > has> > > > brought
> them trouble, destruction and misery, and is root cause> of> > >
> problems> > > > of the people of Jammu and Kashmir since 1988.>
> > >> >> > > > I am among those who, despite the
> baggage JKLF is carrying,> proudly> > > claimed> > > >
> to be member of this party, and furthermore> claimed to be among those>
> > who> > > > helped to form this party in Britain> in 1977.
> Like thousands of> others> > I> > > > have also suffered
> for this> party and have done everything possible> to> > > >
> promote true ideology of> the JKLF.> > > >> > > >
> Despite our sincere efforts to reunite the party and> sacrifices, fact>
> > > > however remains that the JKLF is divided in to> different
> factions;> and> > > > allegation is and which is widely
> believed> and true to large extent> > that> > > > top>
> > > > leaders of some groups> have compromised JKLF ideology and
> are> advancing> > > > agenda of secret> agencies of our
> occupiers.> > > >> > > > These JKLF leaders are
> accused of> tuning and maligning their ideology> > to> > >
> > suit national interest of> Pakistan, and have practically signed
> away> > > their> > > > independence to> advance cause
> of united and independent Kashmir.> Their> > > > strategy
> was> not to unite and liberate divided state of Jammu and> >
> Kashmir> > > > but> to advance such policies, which suited
> Pakistani agencies, aim of> > >> which> > > > was not
> independence of J and K, but to keep India bleeding> and> >
> engaged.> > > >> > > > That policy worked as planned
> India not only> bled but also has been> > > engaged> > >
> > since 1989, but in return we> Kashmiris have also bled and got>
> trampled> > > and> > > > oppressed. For> this policy
> people of Jammu and Kashmir had to pay> > through> > > >
> their> noses, but this struggle has made new millionaires in Jammu and>
> > > >> Kashmir.> > > >> > > > In this
> struggle which started in name of> independence and> spearheaded>
> > by> > > > The JKLF with money and guns> provided to them
> by Pakistani agencies> > > > resulted> > > > in
> fiasco. It> tore apart fabrics of the Kashmiri society and started>
> an> > > era> > > >> of intimidation, oppression and
> gun culture.> > > >> > > > All sides> targeted
> people of Jammu and Kashmir: They faced wrath of> > > Indian> >
> > >> Army and security> > > > services,> > >
> > they were trained and victimised> by Pakistani secret agencies and>
> worse> > > of> > > > all they were killed> and
> intimidated by militants as well.> > > >> > > > In
> this struggle we have> lost a generation. Thousands of people are> >
> still> > > > unaccounted for.> Thousands of people are still
> languishing in jails.> It> > > is> > > >>
> regrettable that we lost so many sons of soil. It is also regrettable> >
> >> that> > > > instead of bringing hope and new dreams to
> people of Jammu and>> Kashmir,> > > the> > > > APHC
> leadership and the JKLF have brought> disappointment, misery and> >
> > > destruction. And tragedy is that we are not> any closer to>
> independence.> > > >> > > > My colleagues and I
> realised in> 1991/2 that things were not in> control> > of>
> > > > JKLF Chairman,> Amanullah Khan, and that he was only
> pretending to be> in> > > > charge. We> challenged him and
> asked him to reveal who was calling> shots> > > in> >
> >> > name of Kashmiri struggle; and who was communalising our
> struggle.> > > >>> > > > The JKLF claimed to work
> for a liberal and democratic society but its>> > > > chairman
> believed in kind of democracy promoted by General Pervez> > >>
> Musharaf> > > > of Pakistan. Like Musharaf he was a dictator to
> the core and> did not> > > allow> > > > free
> discussion or accountability and result was> many splits in the> >
> JKLF.> > > >> > > > Like General Musharaf, in>
> frustration Amanullah Khan also took extra> > > > constitutional
> act and> dissolved most effective and powerful JKLF> Zone> >
> in> > > > Britain,> which led to parting of from the JKLF then
> onwards.> > > >> > > > We> continued our struggle
> to correct ills of the JKLF and bring> > > >> accountability
> and transparency within the JKLF ranks. We wanted the> > >>
> party> > > > to reflect true ideology of the JKLF, and represent
> all people> of the> > > state> > > > and not only
> Muslims. While this struggle was going> on we saw release> > of>
> > > > Yasin Malik from prison and hoped that he> would be better
> than> > Amanullah> > > > Khan.> > > >> >
> > > We are all> entitled to have dreams and hopes; it is the job of
> these> > > > leaders> >> > > to ensure that these
> dreams do not become reality. If Amanullah Khan>> is> > > >
> like> > > > Musharaf then surely Yasin Malik is like General
> Yayya> Khan. Both> > > believed> > > > in their own
> brand of democracy and human> rights, both dislike> > > >
> accountability and democracy within the party, in> fact, both dont>
> like> > > > party> > > > to flourish or expand.>
> > > >>> > > > Both want to liberate the Valley or at
> least disrupt normal life>> there,> > > > especially around
> election time with the help of Pakistani> agencies;> > and> >
> > > both want to be Chairman for life and strongly> oppose
> dissent.> > > >> > > > Yasin Malik went in prison as a
> militant with> a gun in his hand and> > came> > > >
> out> > > > as a polished leader> preaching peace and
> non-violence, as if he was> not> > > in> > > > a>
> > >> > prison but on some academic course dealing with violence
> and media> > > >> management.> > > >> > >
> >> > > > We hoped that the party will benefit from> his
> experience and will> help> > to> > > > bring some
> positive changes to> the JKLF and will help to resolve the> > >
> > Kashmir> > > > dispute> according to the expressed wishes
> of the people.> > > >> > > > We tried and> tried
> hard, but were not completely successful in our> > > > endeavours
> to> unite different groups of the JKLF and make it vibrant> > and>
> > > >> democratic force. However, our efforts helped to educate
> people and> > they>> > > > started asking questions from
> these two for being life chairman.> > >> >> > > >
> My colleagues, especially Abbas Butt and Zubair Ansari, strongly> >>
> > advocated> > > > formation of a new party, as in their
> opinion it was waste> of time> > trying> > > > to>
> > > > correct ills of the JKLF. In their view> it was impossible
> task when> > Yasin> > > > Malik and Amanullah Khan have>
> emerged as big figures of the JKLF> groups> > > and> > >
> > when their sole> aim is to maintain the status quo.> > >
> >> > > > I was not in favour of> abandoning the JKLF, as I
> had emotional ties> > with> > > > the> > > >>
> party. Like many others, I have also given my youth and enormous time> >
> to>> > > > promote cause of the party, its aims and objectives
> are in my blood ->> > it> > > is> > > > a
> product of our struggle. If I had given same amount of> time, effort>
> > and> > > > dedication and used my talent to promote cause
> of> another party then> I> > > > could> > > >
> have been in Parliament long time> ago, but that was not my objective.>
> > > >> > > > In our JKLF we respected> dissent and
> views of all colleagues. Even> > though> > > > majority
> agreed> with the idea of a new party, no decision was taken> in> >
> > its> > > >> favour because I disagreed and my colleagues
> respected that. Our> > >> commitment> > > > to each
> other was that we would remain together and work> together.> > >
> >> > > > We had close contacts with senior leaders of both>
> Yasin Malik and> > > Amanullah> > > > Khan led JKLF. Like
> us they were also> worried about the situation in> > the> >
> > > party, and what was being done> in the name of JKLF, but they
> didnt> have> > > > control over it and they> lacked courage
> and political will to> challenge> > > > them.> > >
> >> > > >> Last year some of them assured us that if we form
> another party they> >> will> > > > side with us, but they
> cannot support us if we continue with the> name> > of> > >
> > the> > > > JKLF. I was still fighting my corner against>
> formation of a new> party.> > My> > > > view was that
> JKLF is not private> party or estate of Amanullah Khan> or> > >
> > Yasin> > > > Malik, and by us> abandoning the party we are
> giving them a free hand.> > > >> > > > But all>
> this changed last month when I met some Kashmiris from the> > >
> Valley.> > >> > They spoke against practices of the JKLF cadres
> in name of the> >> struggle,> > > > especially what they
> did in early years of the struggle to> Muslims> and> > >
> non> > > > Muslims alike.> > > >> > > > If
> army commit> human rights abuse they do it under the cover of> >
> imposing> > > >> government writ. They kill, intimidate,
> torture and imprison people;> > and>> > > in> > >
> > some cases rape women, but if the same is practised by the>
> so-called> > > > freedom> > > > fighters then what is
> the difference between> them?> > > >> > > > This is
> a separate topic, which needs special attention> and cannot be> >
> > dealt> > > > here. I was told that many Muslims and>
> especially non Muslims hated> the> > > > JKLF, as it is viewed
> as a> mercenary organisation advancing agenda of> > > >
> Pakistani secret agencies.> Muslim from the Valley said, The baggage>
> of> > > the> > > > JKLF is too> heavy for you to carry
> and make any notable progress.> > > >> > > > I am,
> at> last, persuaded that it is time to say goodbye to the JKLF,> >
> > which> > >> > abandoned its ideology, communalised
> Kashmiri politics and advanced> > > >> non-Kashmiri agenda.
> Baggage and stigma of the JKLF is of course too> > >> heavy>
> > > > to carry.> > > >> > > > If some JKLF
> members still think they> can make positive contribution> to> >
> > the> > > > cause of unification and> independence of the
> State when leaders like> > > > Amanullah Khan and Yasin> Malik
> are heading these JKLF groups then> good> > > luck> > >
> > to them;> however if they feel time has come to say good bye to it
> and> > > make> > >> > a> > > > new start
> then they are welcome. (ANI)> > > >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >
> http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/baggage-of-jklf-is-too-heavy_10
> > 046414.html> > > >> > > > --> > > >
> Rashneek Kher> > > >>
> http://www.nietzschereborn.blogspot.com> > > >>
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> +0530From: "Partha Dasgupta" Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Baggage of JKLF is too
> heavy to carry-byDr.Shabir ChaudharyTo: "S. Jabbar" Cc: sarai list
> Message-ID:Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"Hi,Rather than the
> events used in the article, was referring to the 'renegadeterrorists' in terms
> of the government(s) using released militants as 'hiredguns' to do what can
> not be achieved under law. (Though, we have seen enoughof armed forces and
> police taking steps that are supposedly illegal andacting as goons)Sure, it is
> supposition on my part, but I find it hard to believe that themilitancy in
> J&K could have reached such a virulent level with out somesupport from the
> establishment, or sections of it, for what ever purpose itmay be - whether to
> oppose or to suppress.Rgds,
> Partha.......................................................On Fri, May 9,
> 2008 at 6:35 PM, S. Jabbar wrote:> Partha,> Akhila Raman is based in the
> US and this 2002 article is one that has been> put together from secondary
> sources. Her allegations about Chittisinghpora> and attributing the
> assassinations of politicians like Dr. Guru, Mirwaiz> Farooq and Abdul
> Ghani Lone to the renegades is mere conjecture. Though I> hold no brief for
> them they are everybody's favourite whipping boys. But> the> picture is
> far more complex than the one presented by this article.> Best>
> sonia>>> On 5/9/08 2:58 PM, "Partha Dasgupta" wrote:>> >
> Hi,>> Interesting article on 'renegade militants' being used by the
> governments> > on> both sides of the> > border.>>
> http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/11241>> Rgds,> > Partha>
> ................>> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul>
> > > wrote:>> > Agencies at work on both sides maybe. My>
> > friend; there is a lot beyond> > ideologies here. Politics in its
> worst form;> > is played to make things> > remain> > in
> status quo. God Bless this street dirt> > Yasin Malik; who is being
> used> > today; who knows what will happen tomrw with> > him... May
> he have the same> > fate; what he did to thousands of> >
> people...!!!> >> > Regards> >> >> > On 5/9/08,
> Partha Dasgupta> > wrote:> > >> > > Hi,> >
> >> > > I thought that the ideology> > of the JKLF was (and
> is) 'a united and> > > independent Kashmir'.> > >> >
> > If> > so, how does an Indian or a Pakistani side come into it?>
> > >> > > Irrespective> > of all this, the fact remains is
> that it is highly unlikely> > > that India or> > Pakistan will
> give up their respective portions under any> > > circumstances.>
> >> > >> > > Rgds, Partha> > >
> ....................................> > >> > > On Fri,>
> > May 9, 2008 at 1:18 PM, rashneek kher > > wrote:> > >>
> > > >> > Qalab Bhai,> > > >> > > > Why
> blame poor Shabir Chaudhaury?Yasin Malik himself> > has switched to>
> > > Indian> > > > side.> > > > I am not claiming
> anything....> >> > > >> > > > Rashneek> >
> > >> > > >> > > > On 5/9/08, Rebellious
> Koshur> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >
> Rashneek,> > > > >> > > >> > > It is
> unfortunate that after Dr. Shabir Chudhry has switched the side> >
> >> > to> > > > > the Indian camp, his ideas make sense
> to you. He was very much> > >> > defending> > > >
> > each and every action of Yasin Malik for years, why didn't> > you
> quote> > > him> > > > > then. You would claim that he
> is repentant but> > people in Kashmir> > > believe> >
> > > he> > > > > is denigrated.> > > >
> >> > > > >> > Qalab Hussain> > > >
> >> > > > > *rashneek kher * wrote:> > >> >
> > >> > > > > and this one isn't based on my
> data.......> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
> >> > By Dr Shabir Choudhry> > > > >> > > >
> > London, May 8 (ANI): Jammu and Kashmir> > Liberation Front (JKLF)
> is a> > > > sacred> > > > > name for some, as
> they> > sacrificed their lives and everything else> > they>
> > > > > valued in name of> > liberating the state.> > 
> > > >> > > > > They did that to promote the name 
> of> > JKLF believing that they were> > > doing> > > 
> > > this for a good cause and for> > the betterment of their 
> divided and> > > > oppressed> > > > > nation.> 
> > > > >> >> > > > > But there are many who 
> disagree with this. They believe that the> JKLF> >> > > 
> has> > > > > brought them trouble, destruction and misery, and 
> is root cause> > of> > > > problems> > > > > 
> of the people of Jammu and Kashmir since 1988.> > > >> > 
> >> > > > > I am among those who, despite the baggage JKLF is 
> carrying,> > proudly> > > > claimed> > > > > 
> to be member of this party, and furthermore> > claimed to be among 
> those> > > who> > > > > helped to form this party in 
> Britain> > in 1977. Like thousands of> > others> > > 
> I> > > > > have also suffered for this> > party and have 
> done everything possible> > to> > > > > promote true 
> ideology of> > the JKLF.> > > > >> > > > > 
> Despite our sincere efforts to reunite the party and> > sacrifices, 
> fact> > > > > however remains that the JKLF is divided in 
> to> > different factions;> > and> > > > > 
> allegation is and which is widely believed> > and true to large 
> extent> > > that> > > > > top> > > > > 
> leaders of some groups> > have compromised JKLF ideology and are> 
> > advancing> > > > > agenda of secret> > agencies of 
> our occupiers.> > > > >> > > > > These JKLF 
> leaders are accused of> > tuning and maligning their ideology> > 
> > to> > > > > suit national interest of> > Pakistan, 
> and have practically signed away> > > > their> > > > 
> > independence to> > advance cause of united and independent 
> Kashmir.> > Their> > > > > strategy was> > not to 
> unite and liberate divided state of Jammu and> > > Kashmir> > 
> > > > but> > to advance such policies, which suited Pakistani 
> agencies, aim of> > > >> > which> > > > > was 
> not independence of J and K, but to keep India bleeding> > and> > 
> > engaged.> > > > >> > > > > That policy 
> worked as planned India not only> > bled but also has been> > > 
> > engaged> > > > > since 1989, but in return we> > 
> Kashmiris have also bled and got> > trampled> > > > and> 
> > > > > oppressed. For> > this policy people of Jammu and 
> Kashmir had to pay> > > through> > > > > their> 
> > noses, but this struggle has made new millionaires in Jammu and> > 
> > > >> > Kashmir.> > > > >> > > > 
> > In this struggle which started in name of> > independence and> 
> > spearheaded> > > by> > > > > The JKLF with money 
> and guns> > provided to them by Pakistani agencies> > > > 
> > resulted> > > > > in fiasco. It> > tore apart 
> fabrics of the Kashmiri society and started> > an> > > > 
> era> > > > >> > of intimidation, oppression and gun 
> culture.> > > > >> > > > > All sides> > 
> targeted people of Jammu and Kashmir: They faced wrath of> > > > 
> Indian> > > > >> > Army and security> > > > 
> > services,> > > > > they were trained and victimised> 
> > by Pakistani secret agencies and> > worse> > > > of> 
> > > > > all they were killed> > and intimidated by militants 
> as well.> > > > >> > > > > In this struggle we 
> have> > lost a generation. Thousands of people are> > > 
> still> > > > > unaccounted for.> > Thousands of people 
> are still languishing in jails.> > It> > > > is> > 
> > > >> > regrettable that we lost so many sons of soil. It is 
> also regrettable> > > >> > that> > > > > 
> instead of bringing hope and new dreams to people of Jammu and> >> 
> > Kashmir,> > > > the> > > > > APHC leadership 
> and the JKLF have brought> > disappointment, misery and> > > 
> > > destruction. And tragedy is that we are not> > any closer 
> to> > independence.> > > > >> > > > > My 
> colleagues and I realised in> > 1991/2 that things were not in> > 
> control> > > of> > > > > JKLF Chairman,> > 
> Amanullah Khan, and that he was only pretending to be> > in> > 
> > > > charge. We> > challenged him and asked him to reveal who 
> was calling> > shots> > > > in> > > >> > 
> > name of Kashmiri struggle; and who was communalising our struggle.> 
> > > > >> >> > > > > The JKLF claimed to work 
> for a liberal and democratic society but> its> >> > > > 
> > chairman believed in kind of democracy promoted by General Pervez> 
> > > >> > Musharaf> > > > > of Pakistan. Like 
> Musharaf he was a dictator to the core and> > did not> > > > 
> allow> > > > > free discussion or accountability and result 
> was> > many splits in the> > > JKLF.> > > > 
> >> > > > > Like General Musharaf, in> > frustration 
> Amanullah Khan also took extra> > > > > constitutional act 
> and> > dissolved most effective and powerful JKLF> > Zone> > 
> > in> > > > > Britain,> > which led to parting of from 
> the JKLF then onwards.> > > > >> > > > > We> 
> > continued our struggle to correct ills of the JKLF and bring> > 
> > > >> > accountability and transparency within the JKLF ranks. 
> We wanted the> > > >> > party> > > > > to 
> reflect true ideology of the JKLF, and represent all people> > of 
> the> > > > state> > > > > and not only Muslims. 
> While this struggle was going> > on we saw release> > > of> 
> > > > > Yasin Malik from prison and hoped that he> > would 
> be better than> > > Amanullah> > > > > Khan.> > 
> > > >> > > > > We are all> > entitled to have 
> dreams and hopes; it is the job of these> > > > > leaders> 
> > >> > > > to ensure that these dreams do not become 
> reality. If Amanullah Khan> >> > is> > > > > 
> like> > > > > Musharaf then surely Yasin Malik is like General 
> Yayya> > Khan. Both> > > > believed> > > > > 
> in their own brand of democracy and human> > rights, both dislike> 
> > > > > accountability and democracy within the party, in> > 
> fact, both dont> > like> > > > > party> > > > 
> > to flourish or expand.> > > > >> >> > > 
> > > Both want to liberate the Valley or at least disrupt normal life> 
> >> > there,> > > > > especially around election time 
> with the help of Pakistani> > agencies;> > > and> > > 
> > > both want to be Chairman for life and strongly> > oppose 
> dissent.> > > > >> > > > > Yasin Malik went in 
> prison as a militant with> > a gun in his hand and> > > 
> came> > > > > out> > > > > as a polished 
> leader> > preaching peace and non-violence, as if he was> > 
> not> > > > in> > > > > a> > > >> 
> > > prison but on some academic course dealing with violence and 
> media> > > > >> > management.> > > > >> 
> > > > >> > > > > We hoped that the party will 
> benefit from> > his experience and will> > help> > > 
> to> > > > > bring some positive changes to> > the JKLF 
> and will help to resolve the> > > > > Kashmir> > > 
> > > dispute> > according to the expressed wishes of the 
> people.> > > > >> > > > > We tried and> > 
> tried hard, but were not completely successful in our> > > > > 
> endeavours to> > unite different groups of the JKLF and make it 
> vibrant> > > and> > > > >> > democratic force. 
> However, our efforts helped to educate people and> > > they> 
> >> > > > > started asking questions from these two for being 
> life chairman.> > > >> > >> > > > > My 
> colleagues, especially Abbas Butt and Zubair Ansari, strongly> > 
> >> > > advocated> > > > > formation of a new party, 
> as in their opinion it was waste> > of time> > > trying> 
> > > > > to> > > > > correct ills of the JKLF. In 
> their view> > it was impossible task when> > > Yasin> > 
> > > > Malik and Amanullah Khan have> > emerged as big figures 
> of the JKLF> > groups> > > > and> > > > > 
> when their sole> > aim is to maintain the status quo.> > > > 
> >> > > > > I was not in favour of> > abandoning the 
> JKLF, as I had emotional ties> > > with> > > > > 
> the> > > > >> > party. Like many others, I have also 
> given my youth and enormous time> > > to> >> > > > 
> > promote cause of the party, its aims and objectives are in my blood> 
> -> >> > > it> > > > is> > > > > a 
> product of our struggle. If I had given same amount of> > time, 
> effort> > > and> > > > > dedication and used my talent 
> to promote cause of> > another party then> > I> > > > 
> > could> > > > > have been in Parliament long time> > 
> ago, but that was not my objective.> > > > >> > > > 
> > In our JKLF we respected> > dissent and views of all colleagues. 
> Even> > > though> > > > > majority agreed> > 
> with the idea of a new party, no decision was taken> > in> > > 
> > its> > > > >> > favour because I disagreed and my 
> colleagues respected that. Our> > > >> > commitment> > 
> > > > to each other was that we would remain together and work> 
> > together.> > > > >> > > > > We had close 
> contacts with senior leaders of both> > Yasin Malik and> > > 
> > Amanullah> > > > > Khan led JKLF. Like us they were 
> also> > worried about the situation in> > > the> > > 
> > > party, and what was being done> > in the name of JKLF, but 
> they didnt> > have> > > > > control over it and they> 
> > lacked courage and political will to> > challenge> > > 
> > > them.> > > > >> > > > >> > Last 
> year some of them assured us that if we form another party they> > 
> >> > will> > > > > side with us, but they cannot 
> support us if we continue with the> > name> > > of> > 
> > > > the> > > > > JKLF. I was still fighting my 
> corner against> > formation of a new> > party.> > > 
> My> > > > > view was that JKLF is not private> > party or 
> estate of Amanullah Khan> > or> > > > > Yasin> > 
> > > > Malik, and by us> > abandoning the party we are giving 
> them a free hand.> > > > >> > > > > But all> 
> > this changed last month when I met some Kashmiris from the> > > 
> > Valley.> > > >> > > They spoke against practices of 
> the JKLF cadres in name of the> > >> > struggle,> > > 
> > > especially what they did in early years of the struggle to> > 
> Muslims> > and> > > > non> > > > > Muslims 
> alike.> > > > >> > > > > If army commit> > 
> human rights abuse they do it under the cover of> > > imposing> 
> > > > >> > government writ. They kill, intimidate, torture 
> and imprison people;> > > and> >> > > > in> > 
> > > > some cases rape women, but if the same is practised by the> 
> > so-called> > > > > freedom> > > > > 
> fighters then what is the difference between> > them?> > > > 
> >> > > > > This is a separate topic, which needs special 
> attention> > and cannot be> > > > dealt> > > > 
> > here. I was told that many Muslims and> > especially non Muslims 
> hated> > the> > > > > JKLF, as it is viewed as a> > 
> mercenary organisation advancing agenda of> > > > > Pakistani 
> secret agencies.> > Muslim from the Valley said, The baggage> > 
> of> > > > the> > > > > JKLF is too> > heavy 
> for you to carry and make any notable progress.> > > > >> 
> > > > > I am, at> > last, persuaded that it is time to say 
> goodbye to the JKLF,> > > > which> > > >> > > 
> abandoned its ideology, communalised Kashmiri politics and advanced> > 
> > > >> > non-Kashmiri agenda. Baggage and stigma of the JKLF is 
> of course too> > > >> > heavy> > > > > to 
> carry.> > > > >> > > > > If some JKLF members 
> still think they> > can make positive contribution> > to> > 
> > > the> > > > > cause of unification and> > 
> independence of the State when leaders like> > > > > Amanullah 
> Khan and Yasin> > Malik are heading these JKLF groups then> > 
> good> > > > luck> > > > > to them;> > however 
> if they feel time has come to say good bye to it and> > > > 
> make> > > >> > > a> > > > > new start then 
> they are welcome. (ANI)> > > > >> > > > >> 
> > > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> 
> > >> >> >> 
> http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/baggage-of-jklf-is-too-heavy_10
> > > 046414.html> > > > >> > > > > --> 
> > > > > Rashneek Kher> > > > >> > 
> http://www.nietzschereborn.blogspot.com> > > > >> > 
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