[Reader-list] Simple Analysis of media reporting of Saadhvi

[Javed]

Dear Chanchal
I read your detailed analysis of the news, and I appreciate your
concerns. The problem is that the same concerns and doubts can be
applied to other accused people and so-called "Islamic terrorists" who
have been arrested earlier. The police and media is always blamed for
making up the story whether this way or that. So, where do we go from
here. God only knows what is the truth.

J

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:23 AM, chanchal malviya
<chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> You have quoted the news... but you have again not analyzed the news....
>
> Here is something from the same TOI news (TOI news in bold):
>
> 'However, the confessional statement given to the police is not admissible
> in court. '
>
> Why? It can be made public but it cannot be admitted to court. Strange.
>
> I am the mastermind of the blast. I arranged for the RDX and weapons but I
> can't understand how the weapons reached Abhinav Bharat members
>
> Ah, so why was Pragya again taken for Narco... what about the SMS that was
> highlighted by media...
>
> What shall we believe? Purohit says he is the mastermind - we shall believe.
> Purohit says he do not understand the link of Abhinav Bharat - why shall we
> not believe?
>
> While no anti-terrorism squad (ATS) officer was willing to comment on the
> reported confession, ATS spokesperson Dinesh Agrawala said for the record,
> "It's not correct."
> Why is the media tom-tomming then.
>
> I am seeing a clear picture here. Col Purohit is not only a patriot, but now
> he seems to be a patriot of highest order. He wants to save the nation
> again. And seeing the conspiracy he might be taking all the charges on
> himself, even though he may not be a guilt. GOD knows what is the truth.
> This media of our country is so dirty that we are lost.
>
> My stand is that, we should not believe on any news that is coming through
> these channels and current biased media. We have to wait for what ends some
> two to three years from now.
>
> I am sure, that no Hindu leader, be that be Saadhvi, will take such a silly
> step. Hindus are known to fight on the face. Not like the terrorist bombing
> the innocents and unkown crowd. If Godse has shot Mahatma, he did it on the
> face. He could have bombed too. If Bhagat Singh had bombed the court, he did
> it on the face. Hinduism has never taught one to be a coward like the
> terrorists. And a learned Hindu can never commit such crime and mistake.
>
> However, events have taken place. And media is surely playing a dirty role
> in maligning Army and Hindus. I don't know, if these media people will go to
> the border and protect our land. They could not wait for the results of the
> probe and simple arrests are highlighted that Army also is dented. Sad.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> To: chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com
> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 11:07:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Simple Analysis of media reporting of Saadhvi
>
> Dear Chanchal
> Please read this news item - "I was Malegaon mastermind, admits Lt-Col"
>
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-3683035,flstry-1.cms
>
> Is there any doubt left now?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:35 AM, chanchal malviya
> <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Following points are to be noted:
>>
>>
>>
>> ·
>> How
>> did a Hindu Bomb suddenly evolve all of a sudden when election is just on
>> head?
>>
>> ·
>> If
>> Saadhvi and Safron were involved, why did they choose Malegaon?
>> Maharashtra was not a base for Saadhvi or
>> Ramji.
>>
>> ·
>> Malegaon is nearly all Muslim. For a Hindu
>> to commit such an act would require local understanding of the complete
>> area. Can
>> such incidence take place without the support of local people who know the
>> area
>> in detail?
>>
>> ·
>> Why
>> isn't a local person arrested yet?
>>
>> ·
>> How
>> has the SMS of Col Purohit come to limelight after more than 20 days since
>> Pragya is arrested? Her phone calls are said to be recorded, but the SMS
>> is
>> tracked so late? How?
>>
>> ·
>> The biggest doubt: Will a person who
>> is going to commit a terrorist act, import his or her own vehicle in it?
>> Is
>> Saadhvi so stupid that she could not even think that she doesn't have to
>> use
>> her own bike?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Doubt on Talk between
>> Saadhvi Pragya and Ramji
>>
>>
>>
>> Indian Express  Date: 5th
>>  November 2008
>>
>> Heading: Malegaon: 3 more arrests, ATS claims witness
>> 'heard' Sadhvi discuss blast, killing
>>
>>
>>
>> 'The prosecution
>> claimed the conversation took place after the September 29 blast in a room
>> in
>> Ujjain where, apart from Ramji and the Sadhvi, a third person was present,
>> who
>> is now a witness. This witness, who was present in that room, gave a
>> 15-page
>> statement with details of the alleged conversation at the Mazgaon
>> magistrate's
>> court on October 23.'…….
>>
>> Alleged conversation between Pragya and Ramji, as claimed by
>> an ATS witness
>>
>> Pragya: Malegaon blast mein meri gaadi mili hai
>>
>> Ramji: Lekin woh gadi aapne bechi thi
>>
>> Pragya: Police puchhegi kahaan bechi, kya bata-oon? Kya saboot hai? MP,
>> Gujarat, Maharashtra?
>>
>>
>> Ramji: Gujarat bolo
>>
>> Pragya: Meri gaadi se blast kiya toh itne kam log kaise mare? Gaadi bheed
>> mein
>> kyon nahi lagayi?
>>
>> Ramji: Bheed mein khadi karne nahi diya. Kuchh hua to niptaa lenge. Meri
>> Arvindji se baat hui hai. Woh ek lakh public leke aandolan karenge
>>
>> ·
>> Who
>> is the third person? And who else than that unknown person has agreed that
>> three were in a room in Ujjain? So, if Mr. Z will say that I am
>> the witness who heard Mr. X saying something to Mr. Y – will it
>> immediately
>> become so valid that Mr. X and Mr. Y becomes terrorists?
>>
>>
>>
>> However, there is another version of media over the same
>> thing
>>
>>
>>
>> IBN Live            Date:
>> 4th November 2008
>>
>> Heading: BJP, RSS reject proof against Sadhvi, call it
>> conspiracy
>>
>> Excerpts from the
>> tape:
>>
>> Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur: They will take me away this evening.
>>
>> Ramnarayan Singh: Why?
>>
>> Sadhvi Pragya Singh
>> Thakur: They've found my car in the Malegaon blast case.
>>
>> Ramnarayan Singh: But you sold that car.
>>
>> Sadhvi Pragya Singh
>> Thakur: Where did I sell it? Madhya
>> Pradesh? Gujarat? Maharashtra?
>>
>> Ramnarayan Singh: Tell them Gujarat.
>>
>> Sadhvi Pragya Singh
>> Thakur: What do I tell them if they ask me
>> when?
>>
>> Ramnarayan Singh: Say you don't remember.
>>
>> Sadhvi Pragya Singh
>> Thakur: But why did so few people died? Why
>> didn't you park the car in a crowed area?
>>
>> Ramnarayan Singh: I had identified a crowded area but I couldn't find a
>> parking place
>> there, and the area where I parked it wasn't very crowded. Anyway, we'll
>> with
>> it if something happens. I have already spoken to Arvindji. He said he'll
>> gather at least lakh people and protest.
>>
>>
>>
>> ·
>> So,
>> the media has two versions. One says that there was a meeting in a Room
>> among
>> Saadhvi, Ramji and the unknown third person, who has said the mentioned
>> conversation. Another says, the phone has been taped. However, the taped
>> phone
>> has not been shown in media with original voices. And there is no report
>> that
>> the taped voices are original or dubbed.
>>
>> ·
>> Now,
>> there are questions to be raised here. According to the published
>> conversation,
>> Saadhvi knows that she is going to be arrested. And she did not take any
>> precaution of having a lawyer. And till the end of the talk, they do not
>> require any legal support. They talk of common people's protest.
>>
>> ·
>> It
>> appears from the media releases that she didn't ask Ramji about why he
>> didn't
>> park the vehicle in crowded area immediately after the blast or for three
>> four
>> days after that day. She asked him this thing at the time when she knows
>> she is
>> going to be arrested and before a third person.
>>
>> ·
>> Saadhvi
>> has sold the bike, but she doesn't know in which she sold it. And they are
>> also
>> so careless that they do not ponder much to decide about the place also
>> and
>> casually chose Gujarat. It is noteworthy that only those people sell
>> casually their bikes and
>> do not care much about to whom they sell their bike who are completely not
>> interested in Criminal Offenses. Many times, it happens that with time
>> people
>> loose the buyer's information also.
>>
>> ·
>> Do
>> you think that people who can go to the level of terrorism would be able
>> to
>> commit such mistakes and carelessness even after understanding that he or
>> she
>> is to be arrested?
>>
>> ·
>> Ramji
>> has to park the bike in a crowded area. He locates it, but do not find a
>> parking place. And he simply leaves the vehicle in a no man's land and
>> escapes.
>> How silly? In general, a terrorist will never do this.
>>
>>
>>
>> If the above conversation proves to be a conspiracy, then it
>> reveals some more important clues:
>>
>> ·
>> Gujarat is dragged as a name again. We have found in past that Gujarat has
>> always been targeted by
>> anti-Hindus. It happens again here.
>>
>> ·
>> There
>> is no talk on legal aspect. The fear is people's protest alone.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bike's number game
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a case of its own kind where the designers of a bomb
>> blast, who are not local to Malegaon, whose bike is not of Maharashtra and
>> who
>> is not a Muslim, enters a dominated Muslim area, and plants his or her own
>> bike. Some questions:
>>
>> ·
>> How
>> many terrorists in India or Abroad or in History of
>> Terrorism have you heard that Terrorists or Locals have used their own
>> Vehicles
>> to commit the crime?
>>
>> ·
>> Was
>> Saadhvi Pragya such a stupid organizer of sophisticated terrorist act that
>> she
>> planted her own bike as evidence?
>>
>> ·
>> Media
>> says: (Quote link) that the chesis number of the bike was attempted to be
>> removed. Now there are two things:
>>
>> o
>> Either
>> the number was removed: which will never lead to confirm that the bike
>> belonged
>> to anybody
>>
>> o
>> Or
>> the number was not removed: And this doubtful – if someone will attempt to
>> remove the chesis number, he/she will either remove it or he/she will not
>> all
>> remove it. What is the meaning of attempt?
>>
>>
>>
>> Why doesn't the ATS release their investigation details of
>> Narco test immediately? How will the common people come to know, whether
>> the
>> voices in the Test Recordings are not dubbed?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hindu leaders directly
>> accounted
>>
>>
>>
>> ·
>> There
>> has been lots of bombing going on in our Country. How many Maulvis or
>> Imams has
>> been arrested yet? People never know the status of people who are arrested
>> as
>> Muslims. In case of Hindus, it is noteworthy; there is nearly always an
>> attack
>> on their leaders directly. Some examples are: Shankaracharya was arrested
>> alleged directly for murder. Allegations were made by/via media directly
>> on
>> Asharam Bapuji. Brinda Karat alleged Baba Ram Dev directly. And now,
>> Saadhvi is
>> directly and suddenly arrested.
>>
>>
>>
>> NCP attacks VHP office
>>
>>
>>
>> ·
>> VHP's
>> name had no where come in the attack. Why was VHP's office targeted?
>>
>> ·
>> Why
>> were the same NCP people so quite while so many blasts took place in
>> Maharashtra including Mumbai serial train
>> blast?
>>
>> ·
>> Why
>> do the media simply project NCP as the people who attacked VHP? Why don't
>> they
>> investigate further to release the names of people who did it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Difference between
>> Hindu Terrorism and Islamic Terrorism
>>
>>
>>
>> ·
>> Whenever
>> a mail is sent by any Muslim Terrorist Organizations, the mail contents
>> always
>> contain texts of Quran and 'In the name of Allah'. Yet our honorable media
>> says
>> it is plain Terrorism.
>>
>> ·
>> Whenever
>> retaliation is exercised by any Hindu Outfit, our truthful media terms it
>> as
>> 'Hindu Terror'. Even though these outfits never quote or follow any Hindu
>> scriptures.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a clear indication that media is working against
>> Hindus. Anything that can defame the name of Hindu in the very nation of
>> Hindus
>> is what media takes pride in shouting aloud.
>>
>>
>>
>> The biggest concern
>>
>>
>>
>> Even if some Army officials (retired or working) were taken
>> for interrogation, it was the duty of the Government and Media to ensure
>> that
>> it doesn't become public. There is already a huge dissatisfaction in
>> Security
>> Forces. We have reduction in people's interest to join Security Forces.
>> And we
>> have plenty of vacant positions. Security of the country is crucial. And
>> any
>> defamation brought to its name will completely ruin the people's interest
>> to
>> join it. Now, here is a Government and a set of Media who is taking every
>> step
>> to forecast Army as a Terrorist Group. There are two possibilities:
>>
>> ·
>> Either
>> this is done knowingly, where the purpose is to make the defense porous
>> enough
>> so as to weaken it. Bangladesh and Pakistan are already successful in
>> beating
>> the Army and entering Indian territories, the count of Bangladeshis going
>> in
>> Crores.
>>
>> ·
>> Or
>> the Government is not interested in securing the country
>>
>>
>>
>> Tomorrow who will save this country? Isn't the projection of
>> media a step towards putting our defense parallel to ISI or Pak Forces?
>> Why
>> didn't the Government intervene to ask media to be quite about Army, at
>> least
>> until complete investigation is over?
>>
>> Outcome of this
>> Saadhvi case
>>
>>
>>
>> ·
>> If
>> Saadhvi is proven to be guilty, by any chance, through conspiracy or
>> through
>> facts, it is a win of Islamic terrorism. Because, hence forth Congress and
>> other anti-Hindu parties will have loud voice protecting the terror
>> outfits
>> which they are already doing. Mulayam Singh, Amar Singh, Lalu Yadav,
>> Pashwan
>> and many others will further get boost to uplift SIMI and many other
>> similar
>> organizations which they keep on advocating.
>>
>> ·
>> If
>> Saadhvi is not proven guilty, then ATS would be guilty and then also it
>> will be
>> a win of Islamic Terrorism who will claim that ATS has been completely
>> framing
>> stories against them also.
>>
>> ·
>> The
>> greatest loss to the country is that the Army is getting defamed by the
>> media
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no doubt that whatever is the outcome of this
>> interrogation, and whoever is the culprit, the end result is in favor or
>> Terrorism. And this is an unfortunate that the majority of this country
>> will
>> have to pay for it. It is an unfortunate that Hindus, the 70% of the
>> population, will be deprived of calling themselves as Hindus, as Congress
>> and
>> anti-Hindu parties already call Hinduism as Communal. This is a complete
>> defeat
>> of Hindus and of the nation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Some interesting
>> stories
>>
>> 2008 Malegaon Blast
>>
>>
>>
>> The Hindu publishes:      Date:
>> Oct 1, 2008
>>
>> Subject: Nitric
>> acid, nails used in Malegaon blast
>>
>>
>>
>> …'The bomb was kept on
>> a motorbike which, locals said, was lying outside a shop owned by Abdullah
>> Jamaluddin Ansari, 70. After a couple of hours, Ansari asked a worker in a
>> hotel opposite to his premises to report about the bike at the police
>> chowk, 30
>> feet from the blast site. But the police paid no heed, it was alleged.
>> Ansari
>> is among those critically injured.'
>>
>>
>>
>> Note: Now, if Ansari knew that the bike
>> was a bomb bike, how come he could not save himself from the blast –
>> forget
>> others. It is amazing to understand that people knew that a bomb was
>> planted,
>> yet they lost 4 lives and several got injured. However, there is a
>> possibility
>> to this that people mistook that it was a bigger chocolate bomb of
>> Deepawali
>> and would not hurt them at a distance and kept closer. Four of them were
>> more
>> heroic to remain too closer. And that is how casualty resulted. Or it
>> could be
>> that they just doubted the bike and were roaming around it as if it was in
>> an
>> exhibition and wanted police to take it away. They could see the bike, but
>> not
>> the bomb. They could doubt its presence, but not think that it would
>> explode.
>> Something fishy appears here itself.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2006 Blast
>>
>>
>>
>> Inquilab, Mumbai publishes        Date:
>> 11th September 2006
>>
>>
>>
>> Malegaon 10 Sept (Inquilab
>> correspondent): The dead body of a man who was wearing a fake beard and
>> had
>> died in the bomb blasts of Malegaon has mysteriously disappeared. His body
>> was badly mutilated and the
>> lower part was completely missing. Aqeel Ahmed, a 37 year old tailor from
>> Islampura area of Malegaon, says that he had himself moved the dead body
>> of
>> this man into the ambulance van when his [fake] beard came off. Inquilab's
>> correspondent visited the mortuary along with Aqeel Ahmed. When he asked
>> Aqeel
>> Ahmed to identify the dead body, he said that the body in question was not
>> there. The medical officer of Malegaon Municipal Corporation Dr Vagh said
>> that
>> post-mortem had been carried on 30 corpses in Wadia Hospital and one body
>> was
>> autopsied in Dholia Hospital but none of them was without legs. It should
>> be noted that Aqeel said
>> to have himself moved into the ambulance van a dead body that did not have
>> the
>> lower part. According to Aqeel, at that time he did not pay much attention
>> to
>> this but realised the significance only later. This revelation links these
>> blasts to the explosions in the house of a RSS member in Malegaon from
>> where fake
>> beards were discovered. Police say that they do not have any such
>> information.
>> However, if an eyewitness comes forward, investigation will be launched
>> into
>> the fake beard."
>>
>>
>>
>> Note: It is so interesting that Mr Aqeel
>> Ahmed found the lower half of the body missing, but the beard intact in
>> the
>> dead body. And beard was removed only when Aqeel pulled it off. And he
>> realizes
>> the significance later so that no one can verify whether he was lying or
>> telling the truth. I wonder why a Narco Test was not conducted on this
>> person,
>> hopefully, in positive aspect for him alone so as to confirm that what he
>> was saying
>> was correct.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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