[Reader-list] reader-list Digest, Vol 64, Issue 230

[rajenradhika at vsnl.net]

Hi, all,

 the tragedy at Bombay, oh, sorry Mumbai was waiting to happen, with a home minister with saratorial tastes to change his suits three times in two hours of bomb blasts, to please the madam, discarded by the electorate for inefficiency as speaker, to be appointed as home minister, what else citizens can expect from a person who has no need to perform except please his madam with loyalty to her and not to nation.?

 The home minister seems to be moving around with three ready scripted speeches for the occassions like the terror attacks which all of us have heard again and again.

  Without making an attempt to politicise the issue of terror, Congress seems to score browny points on following issues:

1. attack on parliament

2. Khandahar hijack,

3. harassment of minorities.

  Let us see if these points have any merits other than scoring emotional message with rank bad divisive politics.
Parliament attack has happened, prosecution has completed and the CM of delhi and the president of the nation are too lazy to take action on the file that is dormant with them to give out the decision of hanging of the accused.

2.Khandahar hijack did happen, but it was all the political parties then who wanted no negotiation but saving the 200 odd passengers of the hijacked aircraft, which now congress is conveniently sidelining. Worse, the hijack happened in the process of saving Rubaiya sayeed, daughter of Mufti Mohammed sayeed, and now Congress shared power with this soft face of terror, just as mehbooba is furthering her cause against nation.For the last sixty years Congress could not win elections to rule J & K but this time peferred to join hands with PDP to be in power in jammu and Kashmir, still worse, its CM, Gulam Nabi azad, played divisive politics of "giving lands for yatris and taking it back to appease hindu votes.

3. It is cruel propaganda of Congress and left parties that members of BJP hate minorities, let it be remembered that all political parties have humans in them, just as Congress and left has those who hate BJP may also have some who hate the individuals, but not for faith, islam. The very fact that  BJP as party has enough muslim and christian members the propaganda of BJP as a party hating the minorities is absolutely rubbish. Hindus do not hate minorities, but they do hate the imposition of the islamic will on majority. More over, the muslims who promised to live like brothers have , atleast most of them , have lived in peace with their hindu brothers, But Congress is using the dirty game of divide and rule with New Hope and new life missionaries doing the dirty jobs of conversion to increase the numerical strength of the vommune vote bank.

  So, also let us remember the men and women in media going by the name of "journalists" have patent hate for BJP, and lots of love for Congress for obivious reasons, awards and rewards for the spin they give for Congress.

   Now about the incidents at Mumbai, it is now filtering in that atleast 40 terrorists had come to do this dastardly act,  
but only some 15 or 16 came by speed boats, rest were already in Mumbai, who sheltered them, who helped them o get mobiles, credit cards etc, for what reasons, need to be investigated. Whoever helped these terrorists, they should be taken to task, irrespective of their faith, for it was done for gains., along with their faith.? To get credit card, the process as outsourced takes time, and many individuals, investigation will reveal the facts.Terrorsit is one who acts against humanity, if the ATS chief had not wasted his time on "hindu terror" investigation, being an honest officer, now that he is dead, may be he would have been more useful in inteligence of this attack, but politics and its bosses have different game to play, they wanted to propaganda of hindu terror.?
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>   1. Had our political establishment acted on intelligence	...
>      (The Hindu) (taraprakash)
>   2. WSJ Points Finger At Bangladesh, As Usual (Naeem Mohaiemen)
>   3. Re: Is India Within Its Rights to Attack Pakistan? (Pawan 
> Durani)   4. Re: Is India Within Its Rights to Attack Pakistan? 
> (Ravi Agarwal)
>   5. Pak backtracks, to send ISI rep now and not the chief
>      (Pawan Durani)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:04:15 -0500
> From: "taraprakash" <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] Had our political establishment acted on
> 	intelligence	... (The Hindu)
> To: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Message-ID: <D58DE9DE40794025B39C6948A26311A2 at tara>
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> 
> He has been often criticized in the discourse dominant on this 
> list, however what he says below makes perfect sense.
> 
> India's strategic deafness & the massacre in Mumbai 
> 
> Praveen Swami 
> 
> Had our political establishment acted on intelligence warnings, at 
> least 127 people who made the mistake of being in Mumbai on 
> November 26 would still have
> been alive. 
> 
> Last month, the Lashkar-e-Taiba's supreme religious and political 
> head, Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, made a signal speech to top 
> functionaries: "The only language
> India understands is that of force, and that is the language it 
> must be talked to in." 
> 
> Had India's strategic establishment listened, at least 127 people 
> who made the mistake of being in Mumbai on November 26 would still 
> have been alive. If
> more carnage is to be prevented, it is imperative to understand the 
> culture of strategic deafness that facilitated the murderous attacks.
> 
> >From the testimony of the arrested fidayeen Ajmal Amin Kamal, the 
> Maharashtra police have got their first insight into the role of 
> Lahore and Karachi-based
> Lashkar commanders in organising the attacks. Both the Maharashtra 
> police and other intelligence services of the nation seem confident 
> that they will succeed
> in demonstrating that the guns in the hands of Kamal and his terror 
> squad were directed by commanders in Pakistan.
> 
> Comparison with U.S. 
> 
> But even as India debates what the authorship of the attacks will 
> mean to Pakistan-India relations, commentators have been scrambling 
> to contrast India's
> responses to terror with that of the United States. While the U.S. 
> has succeeded in blocking successive attempts to execute attacks on 
> its soil since the
> tragic events of September 11, 2001, the argument goes, India's 
> failure has been dismal.
> 
> Politicians have been quick to agree, blaming India's intelligence 
> services for failing to predict the Mumbai terror attack. In fact, 
> the available evidence
> suggests that the boot is on the other foot: despite credible 
> intelligence that terrorists were planning attacks in Mumbai and 
> elsewhere, India's political
> leadership failed to act.
> 
> Back in 2002, Indian intelligence informants began reporting that 
> Lashkar operatives were being trained in marine commando techniques 
> along the Mangla Dam,
> which straddles the border between Pakistan-administered Kashmir 
> and the province of Punjab. It soon became clear that the Lashkar, 
> which found it increasingly
> difficult to penetrate India's Line of Control defences, was hoping 
> to open new routes across the Indian Ocean - routes which would 
> give it easy access
> to key cities like Mumbai.
> 
> In 2006, Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil was disturbed enough by 
> what India's covert services were telling him to make a specific 
> mention of the need
> to step up counter-terrorism defences. Among the intelligence that 
> Mr. Patil based his speech on was the evolving story of Faisal 
> Haroun, a top Lashkar
> operative who commanded the terror group's India-focussed 
> operations out of Bangladesh. In September 2006, Haroun was briefly 
> held by Bangladesh authorities
> before he was quietly deported. But a west European covert service 
> obtained transcripts of his questioning by Bangladesh's Directorate-
> General of Field
> Intelligence - evidence which shook up even India's Home Minister.
> 
> Haroun, it turned out, had been using a complex shipping network, 
> and merchant ships and small fishing boats, to move explosives to 
> the Lashkar units operating
> in India. Among the end-users of these supplies was Ghulam Yazdani, 
> a Hyderabad resident who commanded a series of attacks, including 
> the assassination
> of Gujarat pogrom-complicit former Home Minister Haren Pandya and 
> the June 2005 bombing of the Delhi-Patna Shramjeevi Express. 
> Investigators probing the
> Haroun story determined that his network had helped to land a giant 
> consignment of explosives and assault rifles on the Maharashtra 
> coast for an abortive
> 2006 Lashkar-led attempt to bomb Gujarat.
> 
> India's intelligence services determined that Haroun had been 
> attempting to set up an Indian Ocean base for the Lashkar. Along 
> with a Male-based Maldives
> resident, Ali Assham, Haroun had studied the prospect of using a 
> deserted island for building a Lashkar storehouse, from where 
> weapons and explosives could
> be moved to Kerala and then to the rest of India. In 2007, when 
> evidence emerged of heightened Islamist activity in Maldives - 
> including the bombing of
> tourists in Male's Sultan Park and the setting up of a Sharia-run 
> mini-state on the Island of Himandhoo - the seriousness of the 
> threat to India's western
> seaboard became even more evident.
> 
> Last year, the Lashkar's maritime capabilities were underlined once 
> again, when a group of eight fidayeen landed off Mumbai's coast. On 
> that occasion, a
> superbly crafted intelligence operation enabled Coast Guard ships 
> to track the landing. Police in Maharashtra and Jammu and Kashmir, 
> acting on information
> provided by the Intelligence Bureau, arrested the fidayeen. 
> However, it was clear that the networks Haroun was able to build 
> were up and running. 
> 
> Based on these warnings, New Delhi moved to step up coastal counter-
> infiltration measures. In its 2007-2008 Annual Report, the Union 
> Ministry of Home Affairs
> detailed the measures put in place for "strengthening coastal 
> security arrangements, to check infiltration." In liaison with the 
> nine coastal States and
> Union Territories, it said, funds had been earmarked to set up "73 
> coastal police stations which will be equipped with 204 boats, 153 
> jeeps and 312 motorcycles
> for mobility on coast and in close coastal waters. The coastal 
> police stations will also have a marine police with personnel 
> trained in maritime activities."
> 
> Painfully slow 
> 
> Precise figures are unavailable, but officials in three States told 
> The Hindu that progress in realising the scheme was painfully slow. 
> Both Maharashtra
> and Gujarat inaugurated over a dozen coastal police stations over 
> the last year, but neither State set up a trained marine police. 
> Fewer than a dozen new
> boats were made available to the two police forces. Without 
> sophisticated surveillance equipment fitted on board, their use for 
> counter-infiltration work
> was at best rudimentary. And while the Intelligence Bureau received 
> sanction for hiring small numbers of new personnel to man new 
> costal surveillance stations
> last year, it got neither boats nor observation equipment.
> 
> Despite credible intelligence of an imminent fidayeen assault, 
> emerging from the interrogation of Lashkar operative Fahim Ansari, 
> hotels and businesses
> failed to enhance their internal security systems. Neither the 
> Trident Hotel nor the Taj Mahal Hotel, for example, had access 
> control systems or a system
> to deal with a terrorist attack or bombing. For weeks before the 
> attacks, police sources told The Hindu, Maharashtra police 
> officials met with top corporate
> security heads, attempting to convince them of the need to invest 
> in defending their facilities. Nothing was done. 
> 
> Less than a week before the attacks, additional security stationed 
> in south Mumbai was withdrawn. Maharashtra - which at just 147 
> policemen for every 1,00,000
> population or, expressed another way, 49.9 to guard every 100 
> square kilometres, falls well short of global norms - simply did 
> not have the resources to
> keep men tied up to guard every potential target.
> 
> Even if police personnel had been stationed near the terrorist 
> targets, it is improbable that they could have intervened 
> effectively. Mumbai, unlike any
> western city of scale, had no specially-trained emergency response 
> team or a crisis-management centre with an established drill to 
> deal with a catastrophic
> terrorist assault. In this, it was not exceptional: no Indian city 
> has any crisis management protocol in place. "People contrast the 
> United States' post-9/11
> successes with our failures," notes a Maharashtra police officer, 
> "but they should also be contrasting the billions spent by that 
> country with the peanuts
> we have invested in our own security."
> 
> "The whole system is premised on the assumption that our 
> Intelligence Services will get a hundred per cent heads-up on the 
> precise timing of a terrorist
> attack," one intelligence official says, "but nowhere in the world 
> does this happen. Intelligence is only an aid to on-ground 
> policing, not a substitute".
> 
> India's strategic responses were no better. Prime Minister Manmohan 
> Singh and his foreign policy advisers failed to read the sign that 
> the jihadist groups
> in Pakistan were sharpening their swords. 
> 
> In Saeed's October 19 speech, delivered before an audience of key 
> Lashkar leaders including Maulana Amir Hamza, Qari Muhammad Yaqoob 
> Sheikh and Muhammad
> Yahya Mujahid at the organisation's headquarters in Lahore, he made 
> it clear that he saw India as an existential threat. India, he 
> claimed, was building
> dams in Jammu and Kashmir to choke Pakistan's water supplies and 
> cripple its agriculture.
> 
> 'Ongoing war' 
> 
> Earlier, in an October 6 speech, Saeed claimed that India had "made 
> a deal with the United States to send 1,50,000 Indian troops to 
> Afghanistan," and that
> it agreed to support the U.S. in an existential war against Islam. 
> Finally, in a sermon to a congregation at the Jamia Masjid al-
> Qudsia in Lahore at the
> end of October, Saeed proclaimed that there was an "ongoing war in 
> the world between Islam and its enemies." He claimed "that 
> crusaders of the east and
> west have united in a cohesive onslaught against Muslims." 
> 
> India has learnt that not all terrorism stems from Pakistan: the 
> country has faced attacks from Indian Islamists, Hindutva groups, 
> and ethnic-chauvinist
> organisations in the northeast. Each form of hate has fed and 
> legitimised the other. But this circle of hate has been driven by 
> organisations based in
> Pakistan too - jihadist groups which have demonstrated that while 
> they are friends of the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, 
> they are enemies of
> the people of Pakistan. In his recent address to the nation, Prime 
> Minister Singh warned that he intends to "raise the costs" for 
> those waging war against
> India. He could start by demanding that Pakistan President Asif Ali 
> Zardari act against such groups - and then consider what can be 
> done, if need be, to
> compel him to do so.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:08:02 +0600
> From: "Naeem Mohaiemen" <naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] WSJ Points Finger At Bangladesh, As Usual
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
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> 
> Sadanand Dhume, whom I butted heads with in the past, has of course
> predictably uncovered "panoply of jihadist groups" in Bangladesh.
> 
> 
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122783260486063039.html
> 
> "Bangladesh also hosts a panoply of jihadist groups. As in Pakistan,
> public sympathy with the militant Islamic worldview forestalls any
> meaningful effort against those who regularly use the country as a
> sanctuary to plan mayhem in India."
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:45:33 +0530
> From: "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Is India Within Its Rights to Attack
> 	Pakistan?
> To: "Vivek Narayanan" <vivek at sarai.net>
> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
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> 
> Hello Vivek,
> 
> How long would India keep suffering like this? How long would the 
> innocentskeep losing their lives ? How long would the terrorists 
> bring cities to halt
> ? How long would we remain spineless ?
> 
> We have been taken for granted.
> 
> For decades India has been telling the world that "terrorrirst 
> trainingcamps" are being run by Pak Army in POK and India claims to 
> have proof. If
> India is so confidant , let them carry on air raids on these camps.
> 
> Else , India does not have to fool all of us.
> 
> It is time , WE ACT.
> 
> Pawan Durani
> 
> 
> 
> How lo
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Vivek Narayanan <vivek at sarai.net> 
> wrote:
> > Dear Pawan,
> >
> > Again, you have presented this without comment.   I would like to 
> know, are
> > you, in fact, advocating an attack on Pakistan in response to 
> these blasts?
> >  That would be surprising, but if so, who, what and where should 
> we attack?
> >  Should we just drop a  nuclear bomb on Lahore?  Or perhaps we 
> should send a
> > team of twenty five commandos there to take over the major hotels 
> and shoot
> > Pakistani civilians randomly on the street?
> >
> > And are you saying this would reduce the chances and 
> possibilities for
> > further attacks on Indian cities?  How?
> >
> > Please let us proceed with great caution and think very carefully 
> about> what we want to say, or more innocents will suffer at the 
> hands of the
> > trigger-happy few (and their advocates).
> >
> > Vivek
> >
> > Pawan Durani wrote:
> >
> >> From someones Blog :-
> >>
> >> "So here's the thing: If the U.S. was almost unanimously 
> considered as
> >> being
> >> within its legal rights to attack Afghanistan after 9/11, 
> wouldn't an
> >> Indian
> >> attack on Pakistan be equally justified? Doesn't a country have 
> the right
> >> to
> >> defend its citizens from outside aggression? What, if not an act 
> of war,
> >> would you call 10 simultaneous terrorist
> >> strikes<
> >> 
> http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=105055855763538009401.00045c9d8b16af3ad1008&ll=19.095538,72.84472&spn=0.028428,0.030341&z=15>in>>
> >> a country's financial capital? And, most importantly, does the fact
> >> that
> >> both you and your opponent possess nuclear weapons mean you cannot
> >> retaliate
> >> at all?"
> >> _________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:59:20 +0530
> From: "Ravi Agarwal" <ravig64 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Is India Within Its Rights to Attack
> 	Pakistan?
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Message-ID: <e017340811282129t6c6e7f7mbebcbc4b846e711 at mail.gmail.com>
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> Dear all,
> I do not write on these issues. However what has happened is not 
> somethingwhich concerns people of one ideology or another, or 
> without any. It
> concerns all of us, even those who choose to remain quiet, but who 
> observe,absorb and react to everything going on around us.
> 
> It has been said before but it needs to be said again that it is 
> not in
> terms of nation states, or religious divides alone we need to 
> think. These
> may be issues which do not fit into categories of nation states. It is
> futile to talk about India /Pakistan,  Hindu/ Muslim, when the 
> situation is
> far more complicated and complex. Every one of us can sense
> that complexicity, even though we do not know how to grasp it.
> 
> It is not useful for those of us to hear the usual rhetoric all the 
> time. If
> people can help others understand the different aspects of this 
> complexstory, then it will help us all. Else I think many people 
> like me are tired
> of this rhetoric, and have already moved beyond this. It does not 
> help us
> understand better, and does not clear our confusions.
> 
> Rather than rhetoric, it will be more helpful to hear stories/ 
> narratives/evidence etc, for example. These are the ways of 
> understanding and knowing.
> Otherwise if people want to just slug it out, it is really what 
> they want to
> do, not others.
> 
> best and thanks
> ravi agarwal
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Pawan Durani 
> <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
> > Hello Vivek,
> >
> > How long would India keep suffering like this? How long would the 
> innocents> keep losing their lives ? How long would the terrorists 
> bring cities to
> > halt
> > ? How long would we remain spineless ?
> >
> > We have been taken for granted.
> >
> > For decades India has been telling the world that "terrorrirst 
> training> camps" are being run by Pak Army in POK and India claims 
> to have proof. If
> > India is so confidant , let them carry on air raids on these camps.
> >
> > Else , India does not have to fool all of us.
> >
> > It is time , WE ACT.
> >
> > Pawan Durani
> >
> >
> >
> > How lo
> > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Vivek Narayanan 
> <vivek at sarai.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Pawan,
> > >
> > > Again, you have presented this without comment.   I would like 
> to know,
> > are
> > > you, in fact, advocating an attack on Pakistan in response to 
> these> blasts?
> > >  That would be surprising, but if so, who, what and where 
> should we
> > attack?
> > >  Should we just drop a  nuclear bomb on Lahore?  Or perhaps we 
> should> send a
> > > team of twenty five commandos there to take over the major 
> hotels and
> > shoot
> > > Pakistani civilians randomly on the street?
> > >
> > > And are you saying this would reduce the chances and 
> possibilities for
> > > further attacks on Indian cities?  How?
> > >
> > > Please let us proceed with great caution and think very 
> carefully about
> > > what we want to say, or more innocents will suffer at the hands 
> of the
> > > trigger-happy few (and their advocates).
> > >
> > > Vivek
> > >
> > > Pawan Durani wrote:
> > >
> > >> From someones Blog :-
> > >>
> > >> "So here's the thing: If the U.S. was almost unanimously 
> considered as
> > >> being
> > >> within its legal rights to attack Afghanistan after 9/11, 
> wouldn't an
> > >> Indian
> > >> attack on Pakistan be equally justified? Doesn't a country 
> have the
> > right
> > >> to
> > >> defend its citizens from outside aggression? What, if not an 
> act of war,
> > >> would you call 10 simultaneous terrorist
> > >> strikes<
> > >>
> > 
> http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=105055855763538009401.00045c9d8b16af3ad1008&ll=19.095538,72.84472&spn=0.028428,0.030341&z=15> >in
> > >>
> > >> a country's financial capital? And, most importantly, does the 
> fact> >> that
> > >> both you and your opponent possess nuclear weapons mean you 
> cannot> >> retaliate
> > >> at all?"
> > >> _________________________________________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:01:55 +0530
> From: "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] Pak backtracks, to send ISI rep now and not the
> 	chief
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
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> *"Perhaps they would be sending some watchman or a gatekeeper to India
> .....these cheats have cheated the Indian PM as well"*
> **
> *
> http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Mumbai-attack-India-forces-
> Pak-to-send-ISI-chief/391804/
> *
> **
> *Pak backtracks, to send ISI rep now and not the chief*
> 
> *Islamabad* Pakistan backtracked on sending ISI chief Shuja Pasha 
> to India
> in connection with the probe into the terrorist attacks in Mumbai and
> instead deputed a representative of the spy agency for the task.
> 
> The decision was taken within hours of Premier Yousuf Raza Gilani 
> agreeingto Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's demand to fly the ISI 
> chief to Delhi.
> 
> At a meeting here early morning on Saturday, President Asif Ali 
> Zardari,Gilani and Army chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani decided against 
> sending Pasha to
> India which suspected involvement of Pakistani elements in the 
> Mumbai terror
> attacks that left over 160 dead.
> 
> The unscheduled meeting held at the presidency continued well past 
> 1.30 a.m.
> 
> 
> "A representative of the ISI will visit India, instead of its Director
> General Lt Gen Shuja Pasha, to help in investigating the Mumbai 
> terrorismincident," a spokesman for the Prime Minister's House said.
> 
> Gilani had yesterday agreed to send the ISI chief to New Delhi for 
> sharinginformation on the coordinated terror attacks on Mumbai when 
> spoke to Singh
> over phone.
> 
> The Pakistan Prime Minister had telephoned Singh to condemn the 
> attacks and
> offer Islamabad's assistance in investigating the incident.
> 
> Singh wanted the ISI chief to visit Delhi to put before him 
> informationabout the possible involvement of Pakistani elements, 
> including those
> belonging to militant outfit Lashkar-e Toiba (LeT), in the terror 
> strikes.
> Separate statements issued by the Prime Minister's House and the 
> ForeignOffice had earlier said the ISI chief would travel to India 
> in connection
> with the probe.
> 
> The statement from the Prime Minister's House had said the "ISI 
> chief will
> visit India at the earliest" after modalities were worked out by both
> governments.
> 
> Gilani's decision was criticised by the opposition PML-N, PML-Q and
> Jamaat-e-Islami. Analysts in India and Pakistan had also questioned 
> whetherthe civilian government led by Gilani's Pakistan People's 
> Party would be
> able to convince the powerful military to send the ISI chief to India.
> 
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