[Reader-list] Stupid Intellectual Fads.

[Nazneen Anand Shamsi]

Dear Aarti,

1. Thank you for your response. I think it would do both of us and everyone
else on this list a lot of good, if we stop assuming notions about each
other. It is no one's case if we keeping on judging everyone else by what
they forward on this list. I hold you in high regard, because and only
because of your thoughts. Your clarity in argumentation. Your conceptual
understanding. Your dogged persistence to engage and talk especially with
whom you disagree. I am not bothered whether you sleep with a marx or mills
and boons under your pillow. Insofar as I am concerned, I think both marx
and mills are important pieces of literature. You know I could have
responded hypothetically to your mail, by calling you a self styled pseudo
post colonialist, post modernist, post feminist, hyper textual diva or an
out of work, bored, net slave, or an arrogant propertied vermin whose
understainding of marx is restriced to a summary reading of few essays one
reads in political science 101, but I will not and will never do that
because no matter who you are, I still want to engage with you and respect
your word, read carefully and find time to respond with concern but please
tell me do calling names serve any purpose?

Is it not the logic or rather the magic of the state to engage with each
other like this. First create abstractions, then push people into
abstractions and then talk to them as if one is talking to an abstraction.
Everything else goes for a toss. So in the end one feels comfortable because
one is not talking to a human being anymore. One is engaging with a ST, SC,
Hindu, Muslim, Naxal, Maoists, terrorist, KP etc. In your case could I
assume, that from now onwards, every time you will address me or talk to me
or respond to my mails- my subjectivity will be viewed through just as a
'faux ayyar persona', or 'the agent provocateur'? I am glad that you tagged
me as such Aarti, but then again, I think I am not worthy for these most
honourable appellations. Just Nazneen is more than enough.

2. I want to take issue with you for your, ' being earnest is really too
boring ' remark. Please tell me what do you mean by this? Do you find all
earnest work boring all the times or some earnest working boring most of the
times or most earnest work boring some of the times or some earnest work
boring some of the times. I could not understand your positioning on this or
why should any gives a dime's worth what you in your individual capacity
find boring?

3. Please do not suspect anything about my writings, 'I suspect you posted
this hoping that the "marx-vadis" on the list would immediately jump up and
down'. If you 'suspect' anything about my word the please ASK. No, I don't
think marx-vadis are monkeys with an inherent tendency to 'jump up and
down'. I regard them as highly articulate people, one feels sad, though at
times, to see them still struggling with that same old ideology.

4. 'Regardless, when you actually wish to have an engaged discussion on the
history of ideas I'm sure many of us will be more than willing'. (Thank you
for your condescension Aarti, but no thanks!)

By the way, could you please tell me, who are these 'us' on this list Aarti?
Does that make me, Pawan, Aditya, Kshemendra 'them'? So, could I assume, you
are, in any way implying that all this recent talk of sarai reader list
being public list is hogwash, that Shuddha is rank hypocrite and Iram a liar
when these people were waxing eloquent about this list  being a shared
public space where people from different persuasions can come and engage? Do
you in any way want me to gather from your response that reader list or many
of all those who are  'us' on the reader list only welcome certain
preordained ideas and those who question this status quo will be arrogantly
snubbed by 'I will not respond to your mail' because 'you' have demonstrated
'unlimited energy' (now writing long mails is also a crime, I suppose!) or
engaged by occassional kind benevolence of informed souls, such as your
respected self but only as 'them'?

 I am absolutely earnest in my belief that reader list is a shared public
space and I would like to believe in what Shuddha and Iram had to say, and
no I don't find that boring. And I would like to hear more about 'us' from
you.

5. ' gibberish about marx '

Please do not manipulate other people's words to suit your agenda Aarti.
Please! Please abstain from casually quoting so as to harm or impugn the
intent of a person's written word. It's uncalled for. I do not expect this
sort of a conduct from you. Please do not let me down.

What did I write? I wrote, 'professors infect students with their gibberish
about marx' and I stand by this. And I think if one just takes just '
gibberish about marx ' from this sentence, one changes the import, the
meaning and the intended message. Which was this- institutionalized pedagogy
often produces rarefied form of knowledge which is perhaps alienating.

Marx's thought was brillaint! Even if one do not believe in his ideas still
one reads for its eloquence and earnestness and for its irreverence and
breadth and for its composition and style and for its poetry and language.
While writing that book he dug a deep conceptual well but with a needle of
hard work and perseverance.  And this thought still sells, there's a market
for this thought. Many people love it and if they don't then many
begrudgingly acknowldege it, like popper did, for instance.

But sadly there exists no mass market for often, half processed ideas that
many university poffessors churn out as 'critical thought', which is often
peddled as course books with a certain two penny sales from students who
want to charm institutional power for a career. I often find many such
'marxist' ideas not earnest enough and hence deeply alienating.

6. 'Keep posting'

I would like to extend the same invitation to you. As always, it was a
pleasure writing to you Aarti.

Will eagerly look forward for your response.

In all ' earnestness ' ofcourse!

Warm regards

Nazo







On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Nazneen,
>
> I liked the article but I think we would disagree on why we both liked it.
> I read it as a tongue-in-cheek assessment of how certain ideas propel a
> generation or have a valance at a certain point of time and then when the
> world changes, their location at the center of knowledge gets destabilized.
> I don't take these things too seriously in the first place and being earnest
> is really too boring But I suspect you posted this hoping that the
> "marx-vadis" on the list would immediately jump up and down waving flags,
> and loudly lamenting the "end of history" as Fukuyama so eloquently put it.
> This would square well with the persona of the agent provocateur you've
> assogined yourself.
>
> Regardless, when you actually wish to have an engaged discussion on the
> history of ideas I'm sure many of us will be more than willing. Till then we
> will have to consider comments such as -
>
>  Here's an article I read about stupid intellectual fads. How university
>> professors infect students with their gibberish about marx etc which in
>> turn
>> results in years of theorizing, conferencing, journal publishing (many
>> friends, by the way mockingly argue that, journals articles are read just
>> two and a half people, the writer, the editor of the journal and that
>> reader
>> who starts and leaves midway) and a yapping career marked up networking,
>> networking, networking with an occasional book or two thrown in and that
>> elusive tenure!
>>
>
>
> - where you hope to get a raise out of us by summarily characterizing the
> sweep, breadth and history of 200 years of philosophy and praxis as
> "gibberish about marx' and "stupid intellectual fads" as part of the faux
> ayyar persona you have made your own.
>
> I really liked the text. Do keep posting :)
> Warmly
>
> Aarti
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> The essay is called: Graphs on the death of Marxism, postmodernism, and
>> other stupid academic fads, I could not copy graphs because of formatting
>> issues on the readerlist. But please check them out at,
>>
>> http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/09/graphs-on-death-of-marxism.php
>>
>> ******************************
>>
>> http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/09/graphs-on-death-of-marxism.php
>>
>> Graphs on the death of Marxism, postmodernism, and other stupid academic
>> fads
>>
>> [*Note*: I'm rushing this out before the school week starts, as I need
>> sleep, so if it seems unedited, that's why.]
>>
>> We are living in very exciting times -- at long last, we've broken the
>> stranglehold that a variety of silly Blank Slate theories have held on the
>> arts, humanities, and social sciences. To some, this may sound strange,
>> but
>> things have decisively changed within the past 10 years, and these
>> so-called
>> theories are now moribund. To let those out-of-the-loop in on the news,
>> and
>> to quantify what insiders have already suspected, I've drawn graphs of the
>> rise and fall of these fashions.
>>
>> I searched the archives of JSTOR, which houses a cornucopia of academic
>> journals, for certain keywords that appear in the full text of an article
>> or
>> review (since sometimes the big ideas appear in books rather than
>> journals).
>> This provides an estimate of how popular the idea is -- not only the true
>> believers, but their opponents too, will use the term. Once no one
>> believes
>> it anymore, then the adherents, opponents, and neutral spectators will
>> have
>> less occasion to use the term. I excluded data from 2003 onward because
>> most
>> JSTOR journals don't deposit their articles in JSTOR until 3 to 5 years
>> after the original publication. Still, most of the declines are visible
>> even
>> as of 2002.
>>
>> Admittedly, a better estimate would be to measure the number of articles
>> with the term in a given year, divided by the total number of articles
>> that
>> JSTOR has for that year, to yield a frequency. But I don't have the data
>> on
>> total articles. However, on time-scales when we don't expect a huge change
>> in the total number of articles published -- say, over a few decades --
>> then
>> we can take the total to be approximately constant and use only the raw
>> counts of articles with the keyword. Crucially, although this may warp our
>> view of an increasing trend -- which could be due to more articles being
>> written in total, while the frequency of those of interest stays the same
>> --
>> a sustained decline must be real.
>>
>> Some thoughts:
>>
>> First, there are two exceptions to the overall pattern of decline --
>> orientalism and post-colonialism. The former may be declining, but it's
>> hard
>> to say one way or the other. The latter, though, was holding steady in
>> 2002,
>> although its growth rate had clearly slowed down, so its demise seems to
>> be
>> only a matter of time -- by 2010 at the latest, it should show a
>> down-turn.
>>
>> Second, aside from Marxism, which peaked in 1988, and social
>> constructionism, which declined starting in 2002 *, the others began to
>> fall
>> from roughly 1993 to 1998. It is astonishing that such a narrow time frame
>> saw the fall of fashions that varied so much in when they were founded.
>> Marxism, psychoanalysis, and feminism are very old compared to
>> deconstruction or postmodernism, yet it was as though during the 1990s an
>> academia-wide clean-up swept away all the bullshit, no matter how long it
>> had been festering there.
>>
>> If we wanted to model this, we would probably use an S-I-R type model for
>> the spread of infectious diseases. But we'd have to include an exogenous
>> shock sometime during the 1990s since it's unlikely that epidemics that
>> had
>> begun 100 years apart would, of their own inner workings, decline at the
>> same time. It's as if we started to live in sparser population densities,
>> where diseases old and new could not spread so easily, or if we wandered
>> onto an antibiotic that cured of us diseases, some of which had plagued us
>> for much longer than others.
>>
>> Third, notice how simple most of the curves look -- few show lots of
>> noise,
>> or the presence of smaller-scale cycles. That's despite the vicissitudes
>> of
>> politics, economics, and other social changes -- hardly any of it made an
>> impact on the world of ideas. I guess they don't call it the Ivory Tower
>> for
>> nothing. About the only case you could make is for McCarthyism halting the
>> growth of Marxist ideas during most of the 1950s. The fall of the Berlin
>> Wall does not explain why Marxism declined then -- its growth rate was
>> already grinding to a halt for the previous decade, compared to its
>> explosion during the 1960s and '70s.
>>
>> Still, it could be that there was a general anti-communist zeitgeist in
>> the
>> 1950s, so that academics would have cooled off to Marxism of their own
>> accord, not because they were afraid of McCarthy or whoever else.
>> Importantly, that's only one plausible link -- there are a billion others
>> that don't pan out, so it may be that our plausible link happened due to
>> chance: when you test 1000 correlations, 5 of them will be significant at
>> the 0.005 level, even though they're only the result of chance.
>>
>> This suggests that a "great man theory" of intellectual history is wrong.
>> Surely someone needs to invent the theory, and it may be complex enough
>> that
>> if that person hadn't existed, the theory wouldn't have existed (contra
>> the
>> view that somebody or other would've invented Marxism). After that,
>> though,
>> we write a system of differential equations to model the dynamics of the
>> classes of individuals involved -- perhaps just two, believers and
>> non-believers -- and these interactions between individuals are all that
>> matter. How many persuasive tracts were there against postmodernism or
>> Marxism, for example? And yet none of those convinced the believers since
>> the time wasn't right. Postmodernism was already growing at a slower rate
>> in
>> 1995 when the Sokal Affair put its silliness in the spotlight, and even
>> then
>> its growth rate didn't decline even faster as a result. Kind of depressing
>> for iconoclasts -- but at least you can rest assured that at some point,
>> the
>> fuckers will get theirs.
>>
>> Fourth, the sudden decline of all the big-shot theories you'd study in a
>> literary theory or critical theory class is certainly behind the recent
>> angst of arts and humanities grad students. Without a big theory, you
>> can't
>> pretend you have specialized training and shouldn't be treated as such --
>> high school English teachers may be fine with that, but if you're in grad
>> school, that's admitting you failed as an academic. You want a good
>> reputation. Isn't it strange, though, that no replacement theories have
>> filled the void? That's because everyone now understands that the whole
>> thing was a big joke, and aren't going to be suckered again anytime soon.
>> Now the generalizing and biological approaches to the humanities and
>> social
>> sciences are dominant -- but that's for another post.
>>
>> Also, as you sense all of the big theories are dying, you must realize
>> that
>> you have no future: you'll be increasingly unable to publish articles --
>> or
>> have others cite you -- and even if you became a professor, you wouldn't
>> be
>> able to recruit grad students into your pyramid scheme, or enroll students
>> in your classes, since their interest would be even lower than among
>> current
>> students. Someone who knows more about intellectual history should compare
>> arts and humanities grad students today to the priestly caste that was
>> becoming obsolete as Europe became more rational and secular. I'm sure
>> they
>> rationalized their angst as a spiritual or intellectual crisis, just like
>> today's grad students might say that they had an epiphany -- but in
>> reality,
>> they're just recognizing how bleak their economic prospects are and are
>> opting for greener pastures.
>>
>> Fifth and last, I don't know about the rest of you, but I find young
>> people
>> today very refreshing. Let's look at 18 year-olds -- the impressionable
>> college freshmen, who could be infected by their dopey professors. If they
>> begin freshman year just 1 year after the theory's peak, the idea is still
>> very popular, so they'll get infected. If we allow, say 5 years of cooling
>> off and decay, professors won't talk about it so much, or will be use a
>> less
>> strident tone of voice, so that only the students who were destined to
>> latch
>> on to some stupid theory will get infected. Depending on the trend, this
>> makes the safe cohort born in 1975 at the oldest (for Marxism), or 1989 at
>> the youngest (for social constructionism). And obviously even among safe
>> cohorts, some are safer than others -- people my age (27) may not go in
>> for
>> Marxism much, but have heard of it or taken it seriously at some point
>> (even
>> if to argue against it intellectually). But 18 year-olds today weren't
>> even
>> born when Marxism had already started to die.
>>
>> It's easy to fossilize your picture of the world from your formative years
>> of 15 to 24, but things change. If you turned off the radio in the
>> mid-late
>> '90s, you missed four years of great rock and rap music that came out from
>> 2003 to 2006 (although now you can keep it off again). If you write off
>> dating a 21 year-old grad student on the assumption that they're mostly
>> angry feminist hags, you're missing out. And if you'd rather socialize
>> with
>> people your own age because younger people are too immature to have an
>> intelligent discussion -- ask yourself when the last time was that you
>> didn't have to dance around all kinds of topics with Gen-X or Baby Boomer
>> peers because of the moronic beliefs they've been infected with since
>> their
>> young adult years? Try talking to a college student about human evolution
>> --
>> they're pretty open-minded. My almost-30 housemate, by comparison, was
>> eager
>> to hear that what I'm studying would show that there's no master race
>> after
>> all. What a loser.
>>
>> * I started the graph of social constructionism at 1960, even though it
>> extends back to 1876, since it was always at a very low level before then
>> (less than 5 per year, often 0). Including these points didn't make the
>> recent decline so apparent in the graph, so out they went.
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