[Reader-list] Fwd:Understanding Hindutva

[Lalit Ambardar]

Dear Kshmendra,
It is a matter of satisfaction that we shear certain common concerns particularly on the menace of pan Islamism driven terrorism that is responsible for the ethnic cleansing of Hindu Pandits in Kashmir & is now increasingly targeting rest of India. 
 
That we both happen to be Kashmir Hindu Pandits is a mere coincidence & this is in no way a binding on both of us to agree or disagree on a particular topic. But as members of the exiled community it is desirable though again not imperative to hold similar opinion on the stated position of the community on issues like our forced exodus, our firm belief that Kashmir is an integral part of India, our commitment to return back to the valley etc.
 
I am in total agreement with you on the issue of certain degraded practices within the Hindu fold which you have rightly observed as being against the ‘Dharmic treatise’.
 
But I do not agree that it is being ‘unfortunate’ to be a Hindu on this account. You are Kashmiri Pandit – you are a Hindu .One can’t be an escapist. It is a collective responsibility. We speak so much on this forum with a concern- why can’t we do something about the ills ‘with in’ too. The reformers have to come from within the fold .Please try it out.
I think as a Hindu you have every right to voice concerns that disturb you.  
 
By the way, you never christened yourself as a Hindu yourself. This is how we were described by explorers (….???.) when they touched (…???..) our shores.
 
 Interestingly,  today if you are an Indian passport holder irrespective of whether you are a Hindu, Muslim, Christian, atheist, agnostic, a Marxist or a capitalist if you are asked to identify your nationality in Arabic you know the answer- “ona al Hindi” .
 
Yes, integrity of India can not be allowed to be challenged. It is a serious issue & my posts on this forum are often on this subject. Hindu Pandits were subjected to ethnic cleansing in the valley because they were Hindus & they symbolised Indian presence in Kashmir. Today pan Islamism inspired terrorism is perceived to be a global threat. Look what is happening in Pakistan now – innocent Pakistanis falling prey to something that was meant to inflict cuts on India.  It saddens me to see a young man from Bangluru going all the way to UK only to blow himself up at Glasgow – it is a young Indian life lost. Who knows he could have grown to be a great space scientist. That is why I keep pleading against any such move that justifies terrorism by attributing it to perceived injustice or deprivation to garner votes of a particular community.
 
Inter communal disharmony i has also its roots in history as well as politics of appeasement.
 
I am proud of being an Indian, a Kashmiri & a Hindu. I find it repulsive to relate patriotism to faith as I believe that India belongs to all Indians & hope & prey that we all learn to own it. 
 
And I do not find it necessary to analyse the said article that as you have rightly pointed out is full of ‘unwarranted generalisation’ & ‘superficial comments’.
Regards all
LA
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:37:54 -0700From: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [Reader-list] Fwd:Understanding HindutvaTo: virtuallyme at gmail.com; reader-list at sarai.net; lalitambardar at hotmail.com




Dear Lalit
 
I did not see any 'Hindu bashing' in the article "Understanding Hindutva" by Averthanus L. D'Souza. 
 
I thought he made some unwarranted generalisations at a few places and made a few  superficial comments but there was no 'Hindu bashing'.
 
Lalit, I happen to be a Kashmiri Pandit and I am quite connected with that identity. Because of that I get to be seen as a Hindu too. I consider that unfortunate but I have no choice in that. 
 
Explaining 'unfortunate', in general I have a lot of contempt for very many of the rituals, precepts that are recognised as being Hindu but are far removed from the Heritage of Dharmic Treatises with which these degraded practices and thoughts get indistiguishably linked because of the Hindu tag.
 
My 'spiritual food' is provided by "Dharma" but my recorded religion is Hinduism.
 
I have deep concerns about many acts and propagations in the name of Hinduism and Hindus with which I too get linked because of my being a Hindu on the records. I am allowed those concerns, am I not?
 
My ultimate societal identity is of an Indian. It is my primary identity. All my other identities or identifications are secondary in nature because their existence and/or practice is possible only under the enabling environment (Constitution) that ensures and testifies to my primary identity of being an Indian.
 
Any word or act  that directly or indirectly threatens to disintegrate India which is the enabler of my primary identity will be seen by me with deep concern. It does not matter what the rationale, justification or philosophy or ideology might be used in support of any such act or word. It does not matter whether it is "Hindu" or "Islamic" or "Christian" etc or "Atheist" or "Agnostic" or "Marxist" or "Capitalist" etc. 
 
I thought the article made some excellent points and at very many places faithfully articulated my own thoughts/feelings/concerns. 
 
- Is there a concept of Hindutva that is sought to be put into practice? Yes there is.
 
- Do all "Hindus" subscribe to this concept of Hindutva? No they do not.
 
- Is an attack on "Hindutva" therefore an attack on Hindus or on Hinduism? No it is not.
 
The article has covered the elemental beliefs of the Hindutva philosophy. I see that you have not contested those as being incorrect. 
 
Propagation and/or microcosmic practice of Hindutva will create nothing but turmoil and strife in India. Hindutva therefore becomes the enemy of India and my enemy. There is no difference between it and the vision of a Pan-Islamic World that you yourself often speak against. How can you condemn one and not the other?
 
Hindutva translated into reality will mean the disintegration of India. Hindutva therefore becomes the enemy of India and my enemy. How can it be acceptable to me as an Indian? It is not. 
 
Hindutva is not acceptable to me as a "Hindu" or a Kashmiri Pandit either.
 
Kshmendra
 
--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Lalit Ambardar <lalitambardar at hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Lalit Ambardar <lalitambardar at hotmail.com>Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fwd:Understanding HindutvaTo: "Rohan DSouza" <virtuallyme at gmail.com>, reader-list at sarai.netDate: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 12:12 AMNothing new - routine Hindu bashing on this forum. Doesn't deserve any
response. But still a few observations to help you guys to know your nation
better.
 
Netaji Subash Chandra Bose- the hero of the nation had met Hitler & had
sought his help in the freedom struggle against the British colonialism. Is he
too sought to be declared a fascist?
Following sentences in the article itself contradict the very claim in the
article that tribals aren't Hindus:
In the broadest sense of the word, Hinduism> is "heterodox" and
embraces a vast variety of rituals, beliefs, popular> practices and dietary
preferences. In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna> tells Arjuna: "Through
whatever path men come to me, I accept them through> that very path." 
 And this is precisely why Hindus are traditionally secular.
 
Why is it that faith of innocents is being sought in exchange for so called
charity? Who dedicated this century to 'one' particular 'faith'
in Asia ?
 It is preposterous to attribute motives to  Swami Vivekananda's famous
visit to the USA.
 
Hindus have welcome all persecuted communities from world over. It is only in
india that Jews never faced any persecution. India is not secular just because
the secularism is enshrined in the constitution of India- it is because Hindus
are secular & they constitute a majority in this country. Name the country
that practices secularism that prevails here . Remember what the Australian PM
advised his  Muslim subjects recently. 
 
It is ironic that it is the very Hindu who is being now taught the lessons on
secularism. Who sought the two nation theory based partition of India? Why are
you self proclaimed secularists silent over the 'ethnic cleansing' of a
minority Hindu Pandit community in Kashmir by those kalashnikov wielding pan
Islamists who are  seeking 'azadi bara e islam'( freedom through Islam)
in kashmir? 
You know what that former PM was doing when Hindu Pandits were being butchered
in the streets of Kashmir- he was having 'laddos' with that  known part
politician Imam , celebrating his win.
 
Instead of digging in to the  history of 'yours' ( that earlier said
Ram did not exist & now claims Ram only ordered sethu demolishing), why
don't we stick to the idea of India that remained after its vivisection (
Muslims demanded & they were granted  land in 1947), that vowed inspite of
provocations, to continue to adhere to the Hindu tradition of secularism .
 
Is Shyama Prasad Mukherjee a fascist just because he opposed the then
prevailing system of entry in to the state of J&K through permit/visa?
 
It is not to justify any kind of violence. Stop being  myopic .This nation
belongs to all its citizens. Let us build it on its own traditions.
Regards all
LA
 
 



> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:42:13 +0530> From: virtuallyme at gmail.com>
To: reader-list at sarai.net> Subject: [Reader-list] Fwd:Understanding
Hindutva> > Dear All,> > Am forwarding an interesting article which
explores the concept of Hindutva> and tries to point out the differences
between it and Hinduism. The author> puts forward the theory that Hindutva is
a political project, grounded in> the principles and practices of Fascism,
aimed at creating and maintaining> an authoritarian state, with suppressive
control over human beings.> > He also brings out the difference between
the inclusive, open approach of> Hinduism and the exclusive, suppressive
ideas of Hindutva.> > Thought Ill forward this piece to this list as there
have been many> discussions around similar issues.> > Regards,>
Rohan>
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UNDERSTANDING HINDUTVA - by Averthanus L. D'Souza.> Posted by:
"SJPRASHANT, Ahmedabad" sjprashant at gmail.com> Date: Sun Oct 12,
2008 8:40 pm ((PDT))> > UNDERSTANDING HINDUTVA> - Averthanus L.
D'Souza.> > Ramesh Rajaram Vispute, a former Secretary of the Vishwa
Hindu Parishad> (VHP) once remarked: "The enemies of the Hindus are the
Muslims, the> Christians, the Hindu intellectuals and the media." It is
very significant> as well as intriguing that Vispute included the Hindu
intellectuals and the> media in his category of the "enemies" of
Hindus. It does not take great> intellectual acumen to interpret the meaning
of this statement by a very> prominent Hindutva promoter. It is quite obvious
that Hindu intellectuals> (nor any other reasonably educated person for that
matter) will refuse to> swallow the confused gibberish which is churned out
by the Hindutva> propagandists to arouse anger and hatred against Muslims and
Christians,> for which the VHP is so notorious. Any thinking person
(including Hindu> "intellectuals") will see through the falsity of
the arguments which the VHP> advances in its hate campaigns. It is precisely
because the position of the> Hindutva campaign is irrational and untenable
that the propagandists prefer> to recruit uneducated and unthinking followers
who can easily be manipulated> to believe anything that is fed to them. The
Bajrang Dal, which is> considered to be the front-rank of the storm-troopers
of the VHP is a good> example of uneducated youth, with more passion than
reason, who are willing> to blindly follow orders without thinking, and who
are conditioned to> believe that heroism consists in slaughtering helpless
women and children,> and burning innocent people alive. In this respect the
Bajrang Dal is no> different from the Hitler Youth of Nazi Germany or the
youth brigades of the> other fascist movements in Europe who were used to
terrorize the population> into submission. With their saffron head-bands and
wielding 'trishuls',> and screaming full-throated war-cries, these
rampaging gangs can cause> terror anywhere - which is precisely what they are
trained to do. They are> 'programmed' to follow orders, irrespective
of the morality of the orders or> the consequences which follow. B.S. Moonje,
a prominent RSS leader,> personally met the Italian fascist leader Benito
Mussolini in Rome on 19> March, 1931, visited some important military schools
and educational> institutions and became acquainted with the Balilla and the
Avanguardisti> organizations. Moonje wrote in his diary that the keystone of
the fascist> system is the 'indoctrination' of youths, rather than
education. This is> the foundation on which the Bajrang Dal is built.>
> While cultivated ignorance of the youth is one facet which is promoted
by> the Hindutva ideologues, deliberate falsification of current facts as
well> as of History is another method of indoctrination used. Lal
.Krishna.> Advani closely studied the system of propaganda developed by Nazi
Germany.> He says: "In Nazi Germany, fascism in action developed two
other> distinctive characteristics: firstly, adoption of propaganda as a
key> instrument of State policy; and secondly, the systematic development of
a> demonology to keep the masses in a mood of perpetual tension and
hysteria."> (L.K.Advani- "A Prisoner's Scrap Book" )
Advani and his colleagues have> tried hard to refine and improve upon the
propaganda-cum-terror machinery> which was developed by Nazi Germany,
specially by Hitler's most trusted> lieutenant Paul Joseph Goebbels,
whose name has now become synonymous with> high-voltage mendacious
propaganda.> > One of the more prominent falsifications which the Hindutva
protagonists are> propagating is that Hindutva is an integral part of
Hinduism. No sensible> person, (including thinking Hindus) accepts this
claim. In fact, the vast> majority of Hindus are aghast at this
identification of Hinduism with> Hindutva. Hinduism is a highly respected
religion of long standing. It> is recognized (even by non-Hindus) as being,
perhaps, one of the oldest> religions in human history. It outlived the
ancient religions of the> Sumerians, the Etruscans, the Mesopotamians the
Greeks and the Egyptians.> Hinduism has always been associated with
'sanatana' which denotes> timelessness or ancientness. Hinduism has
never been associated with any> particular political system; nor has it ever
shown a preference for any> particular cultural context. In the broadest
sense of the word, Hinduism> is "heterodox" and embraces a vast
variety of rituals, beliefs, popular> practices and dietary preferences. In
the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna> tells Arjuna: "Through whatever path
men come to me, I accept them through> that very path."> > In
sharp contrast to Hinduism as a religion, Hindutva is a clearly>
distinguishable "political" ideology which is straining to concoct
a> "national" identity based on the Hindu religion. Hindutva is a
clearly> fascist political movement, which has drawn much of its inspiration
from> European fascism and German Nazism. The most prominent protagonists
of> Hindutva, Vinayak Damodar Savarkar (1902 - 1966), Madhav Sadashiv>
Golwalkar (1906 - 1973) and Shyama Prasad Mukherjee (1901 - 1953) among>
others, have derived their ideologies from European fascism and modified it>
to suit Indian conditions. In fact, Pravin Togadia the "International>
General Secretary" of the VHP explicitly says that India is a Hindu
Rashtra> since millennia, and that Hindutva is not a religion but a synonym
for Hindu> nationalism. It should be quite clear, therefore, that the
rejection of> the claims of Hindutva cannot be construed as being
anti-Hinduism. In> fact, it is precisely because of the distortion of
Hinduism by the Hindutva> brigade that the Hindu intellectuals have rejected
it. The Hindutva> fanatics thrive on spreading this confusion between
Hindutva and Hinduism.> They have been able to increase their popularity
because they repeat the> (false) propaganda that the promotion of Hindutva is
the promotion of> Hinduism> > There are many distortions which the
Hindutva fascists have wrought on> Hinduism. Suffice it to indicate only a
few blatant contradictions in> their propaganda.> > One: Hindutva is
supposedly a movement to create a Hindu "Rashtra". The> secularism
enshrined in the Indian Constitution is violently rejected by the> Hindutva
protagonists. At the same time they have made a conscious and> vigorous
effort to create an "international" Hindu community. The> formation
of the "World Hindu Council" and the creation of the post of an>
"International General Secretary" of the VHP is a clear contradiction
of the> claim that Hindutva is limited to the objective of creating a
Hindu> "nation." This contradiction is obvious to every sane
person, except, of> course, the rabid Hindutva ideologues.> > The claim
made by Pravin Togadia that Hindutva as a "Rashtra" has existed>
since millennia is patently false. By all historical accounts, whether in>
ancient or mediaeval India, there were several "kingdoms" or
"empires."> Among the more well-known ancient empires were the
Mauryan empire of> Chandragupta Maurya ( approx. 326 B.C. to 184 B.C.) and
the Asokan empire> (approx. 269 B.C. to 232 B.C.) There were also other
lesser kingdoms like> those of Kushana. In the south there were the numerous
kingdoms of> Adilshah, the Pandyan and Chola kingdoms, the Chalukyan dynasty
and the> Vijayanagaran kingdom (1336 to 1567 A.D.) and the better known
Maratha> Kingdom whose best known figure is Shivaji. In the course of
history, all> these kingdoms were in conflict with one or another with a view
to expand> their fiefdom or to retrieve lands which had been taken away by
force.> There was never a "nation" called India. Even after the
gaining of> political independence from Britain in 1947, it was left to
Sardar> Vallabhbhai Patel to consolidate the various major and minor kingdoms
into a> unified Nation. It is indisputable that it was under Pandit
Jawaharlal> Nehru and Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel that the so-called
"Princely States" were> abolished and integrated into the State of
India, which, for the first time> in its entire history adopted a
Constitution which was to govern the> "Nation." The falsity of the
VHP's claim that India was always a Hindu> "rashtra" is proven
by the very fact that it is still seeking to "create"> the Hindu
Rashtra of its dream.> > Two: the VHP claims that people who profess and
practice other religions> cannot be part of the Hindu Rashtra. This is in
stark contradiction to the> repeated statements made by the Hindutva leaders
that Hindutva is a> "secular" concept. In fact, they claim that
they are secular precisely> because they are Hindu. They accuse non-Hindus of
being "pseudo-secular."> They continue to trumpet this obvious
contradiction that only Hindus are> secular and the followers of all other
religions are not secular. Yet,> they also claim that Hindutva is a
"composite" culture which embraces a> variety of religions, cults,
languages and ethnic cultures. The Hindutva> ideologues have never been able
to reconcile this glaring contradiction in> their position. If Hindutva
"embraces" other ethnic cultures, why is it> that they are
systematically forcing tribals (who are not, and never have> been, Hindu) to
"convert" to Hinduism? On the one hand they have> sponsored
so-called "Freedom of Religion" legislation in many States;>
because they are ostensibly opposed to conversions by force, fraud or>
inducements; yet on the other hand, they themselves are forcibly>
"converting" tribals, members of scheduled castes and followers of
other> religions. They offer the lame and unconvincing argument that they are
only> bringing back these people to the Hindu fold. They have called this>
movement a "ghar vapasi." The fact is that the tribals have never
been> Hindu. They have their own culture, religion and social practices.
"Ghar> vapasi" in their case simply does not make any sense. Former
Indian Prime> Minister, V.P. Singh has rightly pointed out that
"ultimately what they are> aiming at is authoritarian rule. Then not
only will the minorities be> targeted, but also those who do not agree with
them. You will be declared an> anti-national and treated thus."> >
One of the more prominent characteristics of any dictatorial political>
movement is the systematic creation of confusion in the minds of the>
citizens so that they can never be sure of what the truth is. This is done>
in two ways. One is to spread rumours through the cadres of grassroots> level
workers, and another is to simultaneously issue "official"
statements> "clarifying" the official position on any particular
issue. This is a very> subtle psychological game which is being played by the
top leadership of the> Hindutva brigade. Citizens need to be aware of this
and not fall into the> trap which is deliberately created by the Hindutva
ideologues. A glaringly> example of this "double-speak" is the fact
that the Bajrang Dal leaders in> Karnataka have openly stated on TV channels
that they are responsible for> the attacks against Christian churches,
institutions and personnel. At the> same time, the BJP government in
Karnataka and the VHP leadership insist> that the Bajrang Dal had nothing to
do with the attacks.> > There are too many contradictions in the
propaganda arsenal of the Sangh> Parivar to be treated at length in a brief
essay, but this short analysis> will, perhaps, help to pinpoint the
contradictions:> > Hindu Nationalism v/s International Hindu
Solidarity.> > The entire Hindutva movement is grounded on the principle
that India is a> Hindu nation, and that only Hindus can enjoy rights of
citizenship in India.> In this view, Muslims and Christians, in particular,
but also Jews,> Parsis, Buddhists and Jains, are viewed as non-Indian. Each
time a violent> attack is carried out against Muslims or Christians, the
Bajrang Dal> terrorists shout that the Muslims and Christians should either
become Hindus> or leave the country. Islam and Christianity are considered to
be> "impositions" by foreign Muslim conquerors or by Western
Christian> missionaries. The teachings of V.D. Savarkar and M.S. Golwalkar
are very> explicit about this. According to them, non-Hindus cannot enjoy
rights of> citizenship. The Muslims are constantly warned that their
continued> presence in India is entirely dependent on the
"goodwill" of the Hindus and> the Christians are
"advised" to form an Indian Church under the complete> control of
the Indian Government, similar to the National Church in China.> The
so-called principle is constantly repeated that only those who sever> their
links with any international community and become entirely Hindu will> be
tolerated in (an Hindutva ruled) India.> > The stark contradiction in this
position is the fact that Hindutva is Not> confined to the geographical
territory of India; it is sought to be made an> international religion. Ever
since the famous Parliament of Religions was> addressed by Swami Vivekananda,
in Chicago the "missionary" dimension of> Hinduism was begun with
the formation of the Vedanta Society in 1893 in New> York. Today there are
Hindu "missions" all over the world, in the U.S.A.,> in Europe, in
the Pacific Islands, in the West Indies, and in South Africa.> The claim that
Hindutva is a movement to establish a Hindu "Rashtra," is,>
therefore, patently false. The comparison with the expansionist movement> of
Nazi Germany is too striking to be missed. First it started with the>
unification of German speaking countries; then it was extended to include>
all people of Aryan ethnic stock. Since racial characteristics could not be>
"assimilated" the Nazis began a systematic extermination, first of
the> Jewish people and then of other "tainted" races. The Hindutva
claim to> form a Hindu Rashtra, is, on the face of it, a huge fraud
perpetrated by the> Hindutva ideologues. From a close examination of the
literature available,> it is clear that the Hindutva brigade wants to
establish a theocratic Hindu> State in India, not dissimilar to the Islamic
State of neighbouring> Pakistan.> > Tolerance v/s xenophobia.> >
Another myth which has been created by the Hindutva protagonists is the>
claim that Hindutva is a tolerant ideology and is based on secular values.>
This is far from the truth. Hindutva is a blatantly intolerant movement>
which thrives on spreading hatred and fear among people. In fact it is so>
intolerant that it seeks to re-write history, which, according to it, has>
been written by "pseudo-secularists." Its distortion of history is
so> blatant that it has even created the myth that Asoka and Chandragupta>
Maurya were Hindu kings. This is a blatant falsification of History. All>
reliable sources tell us that Asoka ruled over a Buddhist kingdom, and that>
Chandragupta Maurya was strongly associated with the Jaina tradition. The>
Hindutva view of history is not based on scientific research, but on an>
imagination running wild. The Hindutva "historians" are worthy
disciples> of Goebbels who taught that if you repeat a lie over and over
again, people> will soon begin to accept it as the truth.> > If
Hindutva is a tolerant political ideology which respects secular values,> why
is it that in all the States which are ruled by the BJP there is a>
systematic attack against Christians and Muslims? Why is it that tribals,>
who are not, and never have been, Hindu are being terrorized into converting>
to Hinduism?> > The Hindutva fanatics claim that they are against
conversion by force, fraud> or by material inducements. In fact they accuse
the Christians of having> converted Hindus by offering such material
inducements. Yet, the duplicity> of their claims is starkly evident in the
fact that wherever they have> attacked the Christians, independent
Commissions of Enquiry have not been> able to confirm a single case of
conversion by the use of fraud, force or> material inducement. The Laws in
India are very clear about such> conversions. If the Hindutva terrorists have
any evidence of such> conversions, they should have recourse to the Law.
Instead, they resort to> violence and terror against helpless, innocent and
weak communities. They> themselves use force to (re)convert people.> >
The Hindutva movement is built on the foundations of falsehood, force and>
terror. In times of natural calamities, like the earthquake in Gujarat,> they
prevented anyone else from assisting the affected people. They sought>
exclusive rights to dispense aid, but they distributed this aid in a highly>
reprehensible manner. Muslim victims were carefully and deliberately>
excluded. Others were given aid only on condition that they swore to> remain
or to become Hindu. There is voluminous evidence of such> discrimination even
in times of dire affliction. And these very people> claim that Hindutva is a
humanitarian and generous movement.> > Citizens need to be aware of the
duplicity of the Hindutva movement. They> should examine all their claims
critically; and most of all, citizens> should not be beguiled into believing
that the Hindutva movement has any> redeeming features. It is an unmitigated
evil.> > The battle lines are very clear. We Indians, of all faiths,
varieties of> cultures and languages, are facing a grave threat to the
secular,> democratic and pluri-cultural fabric of our society. We need to
join> forces to defeat the evil forces of fascism and authoritarianism.
The> fight is not between Hinduism and other religions. The fight is
really> between secularism and democracy, on the one hand, and fascism on the
other.> > Averthanus L. D'Souza,> D-13, La Marvel Colony,> Dona
Paula, Goa 403 004.> Tel: 2453628>
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