[Reader-list] secular fascist is at work, proceed with caution.

Sat Oct 18 17:53:14 IST 2008

I am unable to understand how somebody can be a Pandit without being a Hindu.Pandit is a sub-set of the set called Hindu.Such people are only confusing others in the web of their words.This appears to be only singular and exceptional case.There are not many such confused hypocrates who are ashamed of their own religion or their roots or origin.

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From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
To: reader-list at sarai.net
Sent: Saturday, 18 October, 2008 5:26:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] secular fascist is at work, proceed with caution.

Dear Bhat sahib

briefly,  about me,  what you  are saying ,  i have never said.
about kashmir, just tell me where i wrote that  'Islamic rule in place
democratic rule of laws'.

now i quote you again,

stopping by immediate action of lawkeepers , by arrest, investigation,
prosecution and exemplary punishment, the reaction is bound to be
violent.

if we apply the same thinking in kashmir or elsewhere, then you
justify violence.  i dont support this thinking. that is normal.  i
dont qualify fascist for holding such a opinion.

about old mosque in ayodhya. tell me, which school you belong ? one
which motivates/employess the poor man to pull old mosques ( or
temples, churches even )  or the other where one voluntarily joins the
demolition  ( be it Ayodhya or kashmir or orrisa )

this question i asked because you feel hurt, as a hindu, but the other
religions which are less accomodative in comparision to those.
Strange that you  believe India belongs to Hindus only.

in some other mail, our Dear Friend Mr. Kshmendra made it clear that
his identity as  Hindu is ' unfortunate'  in comparision to his
Kashmiri pandit identity. He believes that  being Hindu is only his
recorded identity, not his Dharmic. Mr. Lalit has already replied that
in his own way, but  dont you see the point....... and in Indian,
these ( kshmendra like )  identities are in millions, because Hinduism
can not be defined as such.

Hindutva is a poltical system which is meant to block the thinking of
ordinary  Indians. Why dont you see the game ?

warmly
is

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:50 PM, rajendra bhat
<raja_starkglass at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Inder salim
>      With lots of love, you belong to a school of secularism with fascist undertones, indersalim, if you mean what you express in the thoughts that you express with lots of love, the agenda of spreading hate in the express words of love is in obivious stark contrast when you talk of kashmir, its citizens. You seem to expect the quiet tolerate citizens of hindu community to be quiet when you propagate secession of my nation with your agenda of the faith to bring in an islamic rule in the place of democratic rule of laws. This is not acceptable to me, I disagree with you when you project your thoughts in support of separatists like yasin malik, "prof" geelani and syed geelanis who work within the system or outside to bring azadi to kashmir just because their faith is majority in the area they represent now. Kashmir and its citizens have to accept the rule of laws as agreed by the accession of its ruler, even though some of them are these rotten
> citizens of one faith, manage to silence many of the same faith.,
> used the masjids giving calls, azaan,  to clean out hindus by violence..Let it be borne in mind that  in the continent, 457 kingdoms that were there at the time  of freedom, all except those ruled by islamic kings like hyderabad nizam, and islamic subjects like kasmiri muslims did not accept the "nation" and force has to be used to keep the nation as a nation, that too inspite of accommodative nature of all other citizens for the muslim.With a population of 40 percent hindus in Kashmir, it was that small margin that made the faith followers to "cleanse" the fellow citizens out of Kasmir by violence which is now not acceptable. Then it was neglected and tolerated, not now. Then the game of divisive politics, divided the society of hindus on their inherent defect, castes, so if a pandit was killed other hindus "tolerated", now a hindu is hindu not divided with caste, better united. So now the new game of "secularist" hindu fuelled by left idealogy.?
>
>  Being hindu, we respect all faiths and its followers and are tolerent of their customs and cultures. But that is not license in free India to bash the faith of hindu way of life for trp in tv channels, nor it can be taken for granted that you play one caste against the other and create vote banks and talk of "secuarlism" with commune vote banks. Hindus have understood how if they are divided the 2  percent community can take over the rule of the nation. After seeing what has happened around us, a "devout" Bush attacking the divided  society with search for imaginary weapons of mass destruction, sending in his troops to war against terror, but terror continues as the each sect of the faith wants to control the other sects. Muslim followers of faith are today divided lot with over a dozen sects fighting with each other so that they are like cats fighting for butter and a monkey is offering them to distribute the butter equally for them.!
> As a hindu we have adopted and adapted the good of other faith in our way of life, but that to say that only one faith is saviour to mankind is unacceptable and in democratic life of the nation, faith is very personal, it is rule of laws which has to manage the nation and its citizens.It is often attributed that hindus hate muslims and others of different faith, which is just a propaganda, we dislike those who use faith to garner votes from vote banks, even if they are hindus, like a yadav who caters to his commune vote bank, or a jat who talks for only jats, or a reddy or gowda who indulges in nepotism of his "caste." In democratic life, every citizen must get good of governance irrespective of faith, region and castes. If a Sacchar reports only about muslims that they are backward in society, what wrong other citizens have done who are below the poverty line in the nation, are they also not backward in social , educational, health care facilities.?
>
>  Now about the history of dilapidated structure, is it not true that courts had stopped the prayers at this dilapidated structure in the british rule because the title of the land was defective.? Is it not true that a temple in the land, disputed land was  destroyed for this structure to be built by a tyrant king babur.? When we hindus have accepted all muslims in India, even after dividing India for two nations of the faith, we remained secular to accommodate the citizens of other faiths.?So, if only courts had disposed of the case then nation would not have been in turmoil and the leaders did not take any steps to expedite the disposal of the case is a true fact. Whatever be the decision, at that stage, in early free India, judiciary commanded more respect than now. But the game was of appeasement, not only of muslims but also of hindu castes.!
>
>    Violent methods by anyone can not be tolarated, be it from any faith, for any reason, but the truth is system likes to breed the violence, the goons are helped to be MLAs and MPs.., by all political parties as a to cut metal one needs only metal.? It is not the intention to justify any violence by anyone with action and reaction theories, but the fact is when system fails to stop the "action" as in Godhra where karsevaks are burnt, or as in Khandamal, where 83 year old swami and his 67 year old followers are shot dead, stopping by immediate action of lawkeepers , by arrest, investigation, prosecution and exemplary punishment, the reaction is bound to be violent.
>  Look at the out bursts of some in the list, so called from very secularist schools, and the headmistress of that school, very civilised.? The list administrator himself has no tolerence for the thoughts of others, as he is showing with very uncouth words for such thoughts in most uncivilised words.? Unless we have a open mind to all thoughts, we are brain inactive with set thoughts. As to us, we have seen the thoughts from all school of thoughts, being hindu, we accept atheist, or rational thoughts also, we do not ask them to be quiet, or to shut up.We accept all faiths and accept good in those faiths, we do not call the thoughts moronic, but ofcourse we express our opinion on these thoughts, be it the head mistress or the administator. This reply I had resrved for posting on next week, but the hilarious post about internet love cleared my thoughts.And I prefer to post only one post per week, but the ripartee and abuse that was on the list made one
> think, is this freedom of expression gagged.?
>
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