[Reader-list] I don't oppose your thinking; but spit at it

Aarti Sethi aarti.sethi at gmail.com
Sat Oct 18 18:26:44 IST 2008 

Dear Aditya,

Thank you for this heart-rending list of all you have lost. I certainly
don't make light of it, nor does anyone else on this list. I have a feeling
that actually you are not the only one here on whom weighs this great
historically ordained burden of pain. Many many people here have lost many
things. They are just not so vocal about it. Also not everyone uses pain as
a justification for hate, which you seem to have made a career out of. So
before you parade your sentiments yet again please take a small moment to
introspect about the tremendous violence you have done to other people on
this list: how sensitive you have been to their pain, how much understanding
you have shown or not shown, how you have treated even your "own" people
like Inder.

It will only help. Sometimes it is not a bad thing to realise that you are
not the only person in the world whose pain matters. It is this recognition
that allows any child to grow up and move from the early-oral phase: the
recognition of the other. Else the child will be caught in a total
narcissism where everything is judged solely by the standards of her own
pain and pleaure. Many many people on this list have lead lives of great
adversity and hardship Aditya. Just because, unlike you, they are not
accustomed to forcing it upon everyone else and parading their victimhood
for all to see, does not mean that you have the prerogative of priveldging
your pain over theirs.

Warmly
Aarti

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>wrote:

> INDER SALIM - You write, " about kashmir, yes, i dont think you suffered
> more than me in kahsmir.i lost six of my close friends and relatives, and
> if
> i count  17
>  bullets on the body of Ghulam Mohammad, my friend's 70 year old father
> then
>  the list becomes longer and longer."
>
> I've lost my childhood. I've lost my homeland. I've lost hundreds of my
> community members to bullets of mindless Islamic Fanatics. I've lost my
> house; which was indeed a treasure museum. I've lost Dal, I've lost
> Shankracharya, Martand and Hari-Parbat. I've lost Kheer Bhawani. I've lost
> the Chinar leaves, I've lost the 'Vital-Bhairava' of Motiyar, Rainwari.
> This
> homesickness and displacement has caused a deep hurt, a scar in me. You
> obviously won't understand the pain and rather make fun and mockery of it
> openly. How strange can you get?
>
> Your sick mentality is quite clearly reflected in your e-mail. I'm neither
> and rightist or a leftist or a centrist. I provide my point of view, I
> speak
> for my community - the victims of Islamic Terrorism; which you defend, and
> can go out of bounds for it. Its sad that a victim who speaks against
> Terrorism, and continuing propaganda and pan-Islamic Agenda is labelled as
> a
> blah blah blah....
>
> I've no Political goals or ambitions. I'm an activist who has been
> campaigning for Justice, Human Rights and trying to shake the four pillars
> of the system to wake them from the deep slumber they get into usually. I'm
> a freelance writer and a photographer. Your allegations are pointless and
> reflective of your honest declaration that you suffer from a particular
> 'Brain-Fever'.
>
> Let me make it clear.... Where did at any point of time say 'I hate
> Muslims'
> ? It is a needless theory cropped up by none other than notorious Inder
> Salim. I rather said, I hate 'Muslim Terrorists' and have been speaking
> against the atrocities committed by them and the propaganda and the lobby
> created by them in New Delhi and elsewhere by merely buying people.
>
> You need to e sensitive towards victims of Islamic Terrorism and only then
> will you understand everything in a neutral manner. Why should I blame your
> grandfather for your own mistake ? Don't be an escapist now. I don't have
> problem by you using Inder Salim; but I'm baffled by your ignorance to
> appreciate your original name 'Inder Tickoo'; AND you go on justifying such
> abnormal behaviour. Now, Don't get in caste again here...
>
> Now, Let me humbly request you to unsubscribe yourself frpm this 'LIST'; if
> you don't feel like reading my mails; which should rather pinch you to
> ponder over your mistake and blunder.
>
> Life hasn't ended for you. You still can make up. Read History, Visit Jammu
> camps, interact with the children and the old.....visit the see the
> condition of temples of Hindu property in Kashmir. See how TERRORISTS roam
> free and portray themselves as leaders. Don't remain happy by continuing to
> live in this fake theory that you know. There is a lot beyond this.
>
> Your e-mail; reflects that you are more interested in Politics and
> contesting elections. Maybe you can start one; J&K and New Delhi elections
> are round the corner. Others in the List would help you, I bet. Also, you
> can contest from Maisuma in Kashmir. Yaisn Malik would provide you with
> funds and all necessary help.
>
> I'm happy with the awareness campaign we have initiated through 'Roots In
> Kashmir'. Your communal talking doesn't help anything, not me, not you. You
> can easily unsubscribe from this LIST and create something of your own;
> like
> your LIVE JOURNAL. Do it soon; you have a lot of time to utilise. Its
> another story; if you are paid to write here.
>
> You surely deserve that good dosage of "SPIT'. Only then, however remote I
> may consider it; would some realisation tickle you if you at all have a
> conscience.
>
> Make a Party of your own. Fight Elections, Earn Money from Hawala and Yasin
> Malik. And, then rule India by your sick mentality. Create more divisions,
> communal riots and make Terrorism National Policy. Kill Hindus till the
> last
> one is left. I suppose that would be our manifesto of sorts.
>
> I won't ask you to keep your mouth shut. I still do consider you have a God
> gifted "BRAIN".
>
> Love
> Aditya Raj Kaul
>
>
> On 10/18/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Tapas,
> >
> > this is a really a poem, about out times which are sad. i am just in
> > tears, but how to write tears?
> >
> > DEar Aditya
> >
> > my dear Brother,
> >
> > your reflections simply tickled my bones, you must know how important
> > you are to me, you give me something, spit is something, it is so
> > rare. please keep on spitting, i will keep them as trophies.
> >
> > about kashmir, yes, i dont think you suffered more than me in kahsmir.
> > i lost six of my close friends and relatives, and if i count  17
> > bullets on the body of Ghulam Mohammad, my friend's 70 year old father
> then
> > the list becomes longer and longer.
> >
> > thousands and thousands of innocent people lost their life in kashmir,
> > it is not a joke, if you see me mentally sick, i dont mind, but i am
> > not happy. kashmir has suffered too much, and it is still in pain,
> > whatever the reasons. so, let us be sensitive about it.  why this hate
> > for muslim sound? why, why
> >
> > my grand
> > father's name was AFtab Ram, and by your spitting on 'Salim' thing you
> > will begin to spit on my respected grand father too, because AFtab is
> > a non-hindu sound.
> >
> > i have humbly requested you earlier, that if you have some political
> > ambition, then writing on the List wont serve you any purpose.  you
> > can actively join BJP or whatever, ( even congress party needs hard
> > core hindus like you ) but why you are on the list, this is a puzzle
> > to me.
> >
> > you are young, and full of resource, so why dont you start some other
> > reader list kind of thing, where friends like you can share, this
> > right wing thinking more openly. just spare this list.  i dont think
> > secular minded people here on the list are opinion makers in india.
> > Dont be afraid of
> > us, leave this minority within the minority alone.
> >
> >   you can start a party of your own, i wish you good luck, but if you
> > depend on kashmiri pandits then you are a biggest looser. join some
> > main stream poltics, there is enough scope of this spit versus spit
> > thing,. people make millions out of this game of   "SPIT", " GET LOST"
> >   kind of language.  all you need some good kurta and topi,
> >
> > i am sincerely suggesting to you, yes, there is humour as well
> >
> > laughter and love
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > So much spit! Bottomless well of spittle surrounded by date palms.
> > > Trees bent low under the weight of large red pomegranates (not sure)
> > > bursting with pinkish paan-tinged spittle in the middle of a burning
> > > desert of pseudosecular bandits. The weary soldier, battered and
> > > bloody, survivor of horrific ideological battles, parks his donkey
> > > with red sindoor swastikas painted on its sides. He sends the bucket
> > > rattling down into the well, from which emanates a cry of despair - "I
> > > am yours. Spare me, please! do not drink me!"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2008/10/18 Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>:
> > >> As List members have been time and again saying, INDER SALIM or
> whatever
> > you
> > >> name is, you suffer from some psychological problem.
> > >>
> > >> Now, in this latest e-mail; you indirectly compare yourself with Lal
> > Ded.
> > >> What can be worse ?
> > >>
> > >> I would surely spit at a person's thinking; who belongs to my own
> > community;
> > >> has suffered the brunt of Islamic Terrorism; and still acts deaf and
> > dumb. I
> > >> would spit at his thinking when he acts ignorant or his name,
> sur-name,
> > >> community, country and even religion. I repeat I would spit at you
> > thinking.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Does that make you happy ? The List Members know who said it now - LOD
> &
> > >> CLEAR. Happy ???
> > >>
> > >> And, I'm no younger brother of yours. Kindly stay away.
> > >>
> > >> I'm and will always be a prod Kashmiri Pandit.
> > >>
> > >> Love
> > >> Aditya Raj Kaul
> > >>
> > >>
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