[Reader-list] When will Muslims join the mainstream?

Tue Oct 21 18:48:30 IST 2008

Jai Maharashtra??? Surely that is not simply the eulogising of a
particular state. In the current political context it is xenophobia.
Or does this, Pawan, have something to do with Maharashtra having 5%
reservations for Kashmiri Pandits?

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> Notwithsatnding a well caluclulated effort backed by a foreign country , so
> called intellectuals and so called jornalists who created a disinformation
> campaign, such as in Jamia Encounter , Parlaiment case are being followed
> more closely.
>
> Number of people are supposed to be under close scanner and their links
> ascertained.
>
> Hoping the truth and the details payouts will come out soon.
>
>
>
> Pawan
> Jai Maharshtra - Jai Hind
>
>
> On 10/20/08, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज् <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder when right wing loonies of the sort who vandalise churches,
>> burn non-Hindus alive and claim to be perpetual victims - I wonder
>> when they will join the mainstream?
>>
>> best
>> shivam
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul
>> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > When will Muslims join the mainstream?
>> > By M.V. Kamath
>> >
>> > Organiser
>> >
>> > It obviously does not occur to some mullahs and other reactionary
>> > Muslims that by refusing to sing Vande Mataram and threatening to
>> > withdraw Muslim children from schools where it is routine to sing
>> > it, they are only telling their co-religionists to withdraw from the
>> > Indian mainstream.
>> >
>> > Like the Muslim League of pre-Independence days, one Minister of
>> > Uttar Pradesh has called for the formation of a separate Muslim
>> > state within the Indian Union instead of Harit Pradesh in western
>> > Uttar Pradesh. It is one more divisive step that the Muslim
>> > community is taking which is self-destructive and will only alienate
>> > Muslims from their Hindu brethren further.
>> >
>> > Refusing to sing Vande Mataram on extremely illogical grounds is bad
>> > enough. Demanding a separate communal state is inviting more
>> > trouble. Not that the idea will ever get accepted. But what it
>> > reveals is a sick mind that continues to be rooted in the medieval
>> > era. The argument one frequently hears is that Muslims are under-
>> > represented in every State Legislature as well as in Lok Sabha. But
>> > then whose fault is it.
>> >
>> > If Muslims refuse to jo in the mainstream and insist on being
>> > treated as a minority, they can hardly expect popular support. Past
>> > experience plainly shows that when communal peace prevails Muslims
>> > get more seats in the Lok Sabha. It is true that in the last
>> > fourteen Lok Sabha elections only a fraction of the number of seats
>> > they should normally deserve proportionate to their population were
>> > won by Muslims. The truth is that they had, on their own, forfeited
>> > the confidence of their Hindu brethren. If a minority lives apart
>> > and stays apart from the majority community how can it possibly win
>> > the trust, let alone affection, of the latter?
>> >
>> > Consider the following figures: In the first Lok Sabha elections, if
>> > one goes strictly by population percentage Muslims should have got
>> > 49 seats. Instead, they got 21 seats. In the second Lok Sabha
>> > elections, the population percentage remained the same—but the
>> > passions aroused by the Partition was subsiding and the Muslims won
>> > 24 seats, three more than in the first elections. In the third Lok
>> > Sabha elections, population percentage-wise Muslim should have
>> > received 53 seats but they won only 23. The highest number of seats
>> > Muslims won was in the seventh Lok Sabha elections when, though
>> > population-percentage wise they should have received 53 seats they
>> > managed to secure 49—not bad.
>> >
>> > Since then, largely because of emotional estrangement, the number of
>> > Muslims elected to the Lok Sabha has been falling. From the tenth to
>> > the four teen Lok Sabha elections they should have got 66 seats but
>> > they could barely manage to get between 28 to 36 seats. The
>> > fourteenth Lok Sabha elections were in 2004 when Muslims joined
>> > different political parties, primarily to beat the BJP. Muslims got
>> > ten seats in Congress, seven in the Samajwadi, four in the CPM, four
>> > in the BJP, three in the RJD and one each in other local parties.
>> >
>> > They can win more, if they get over their antediluvian ideas and
>> > become a modern, liberated people, instead of a people suspect of
>> > terrorism and anti-Indian motives. They can't get votes by putting
>> > their women in burqas and sending their children to madrasas when
>> > they should be sent to normal primary and secondary schools to be
>> > one with their Hindu and other students from the majority and allied
>> > religions.
>> >
>> > There is another lesson that they should learn which is that hating
>> > the BJP and trying to curry favour from the likes of Laloo Prasad
>> > Yadav or Mulayam Singh Yadav or Mayavati will not help them. They
>> > will continue to remain estranged from the majority community, no
>> > matter what arguments the so-called secular parties may put forth to
>> > win their favour.
>> > Neither in Bihar, nor in Uttar Pradesh has the condition of Muslims
>> > changed because they voted against the BJP. As Chaturanan Mishra, a
>> > former Union Minister of Labour (1996-1998) and a prominent figure
>> > in the Leftist movement in the country aptly noted in Mainstream
>> > (August 17) , the Congress, allegedly the largest secular party
>> > nominated 39 Muslims in 1991 and 1996, of whom only 12 could win.
>> > Similarly, 32 Muslims were nominated by the Congress in 1998 but
>> > only seven could succeed.
>> >
>> > Religion can never be the base of getting a ticket. Muslim citizens
>> > must come up in front and be seen as social workers, serving people
>> > of all religions. If they insist to live in the past as in the Shah
>> > Banoo case, or if they seem to be supporting SIMI, an ISI-financed
>> > student organisation—no matter how wrongly—then they doom themselves
>> > to being eternally marginalised. And they should not blame the
>> > majority community. As Shakespeare might have said to Muslims, the
>> > fault, dear sires, lies not in the majority but in yourselves that
>> > you want to stay separate.
>> >
>> > Turks are not less Islamic because the Ataturk threw out the
>> > Caliphate and liberated Turkish women.
>> >
>> > The Indonesians are not less Islamic because they continue to adhere
>> > in many ways to their ancient Hindu traditions. They are not
>> > hesitant to call their airlines Garuda Airlines; they are not
>> > hesitant to give their children Sanskrit name like Meghavati or
>> > Saraswati (a daughter of former President Waheed); nor are they
>> > hesitant in putting the figure of Ganesh on their currency notes. An
>> > Indonesian production of Ramayana would put some of our own Indian
>> > artists to shame; but here in India a section of reactionary Muslims
>> > refuse to sing even the first two stanzas of Vande Mataram because
>> > somewhere down the line in the song there is a reference to Durga.
>> > And Indonesia is 98 per cent Muslim!
>> >
>> > If Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, a great Islamic scholar who had his
>> > training in Islamic law and jurisprudence in the famous Islamic
>> > University in Cairo, could respect Vande Mataram and stand to
>> > attention when it was sung at AICC meetings, surely lesser Islamic
>> > scholars can take a leaf from his book.
>> >
>> > Many Muslim organisations increasingly seem to be taking their cue
>> > from fundamentalist Islamic organisation in Pakistan. It is not
>> > going to help them one bit and it is time they realise it. Muslims
>> > should not consider themselves a minority. India is a democracy and
>> > all citizens are equal. Hindus are not that stupid as to want to
>> > hurt Islamic sentiments of Muslims. But we need to live under a
>> > Common Law as citizens are equal in every way. For Muslims,
>> > especially, separatism should be deeply abhorrent. It should be
>> > shunned like the very devil.
>> >
>> > We are one people and India, as Mohammad Iqbal once wrote belongs to
>> > everyone, irrespective of caste, creed, religion or community. Sareh
>> > jahan seh achcha Hindustan hamara should be our guiding mission.
>> > Then everything will fall in its place and—who knows—the time may
>> > come when under sound Muslim leadership, Hindus themselves may vote
>> > for Muslims. Who, today, is our President? Who, our Prime Minister?
>> > And who the leader of the Congress Party, oh?
>> > http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?
>> > name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=
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>> > ....................................
>> > http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/india-usa-blog-column168.htm
>> > Indian Muslims: Dealing with Past
>> > Mayank Patel
>> >
>> > Across the world, Present generation grapples with past wrong
>> > committed by previous generation. From South Africa to Germany and
>> > from America to Australia, Most groups have acknowledged past
>> > misdeeds and apologized for the suffering caused by their action
>> > toward others. Thus, making genuine progress on path of truth and
>> > reconciliation.
>> >
>> > However, Indian Muslims have taken opposite path of denial,
>> > distortion and deflection. They=2 0have received more than generous
>> > help from allies like Marxist, Fabian Socialist, Islamist etc. who
>> > are co-travelers on this path. In fact, it is the allies who have
>> > encouraged and lead Indian Muslims on this path. On behalf of Indian
>> > Muslims, Allies have used denial, distortion and deflection tactic
>> > to justify even the most unjustifiable mistakes like partition.
>> >
>> > Indian Muslim"s pro-partition role is proven beyond reasonable
>> > doubt. 1945-46 Provincial Elections were fought on a single agenda
>> > of partition. Partition became possible only because overwhelming
>> > majority of Indian Muslims indirectly voted for it in that election.
>> > Any objective analysis of current course and arguments favoring
>> > course correction is usually greeted by an old tactic of shooting
>> > the messenger. Three bullets are very popular with shooters.
>> >
>> > First bullet is "Present Generation of Indian Muslims should not be
>> > blamed for Partition". Shooter conveniently and cleverly presumes
>> > non-existent intent behind analysis. This is absurd. A course
>> > correction and acknowledgement of past generation"s mistake could
>> > never imply culpability of present generation. On the contrary,
>> > Acknowledgement would reassure all that apple has indeed fallen far
>> > from the tree. This would strengthen trust, improve communal
>> > relations and lead to reconciliation and closure.
>> >
>> > Second bullet is much more lethal. It is "165 million strong Indian
>> > Muslims cannot be wished away". Let me clarify, I=2 0would not wish
>> > away anybody regardless of numerical strength. There is also certain
>> > belligerence behind this quote. This virulent belligerence is quite
>> > understandable if not agreeable. After all, Indian Muslims are 165
>> > million strong and allies who have vice like grip over India"s
>> > media, academia and politics are stronger. However, it does not
>> > change the fact that current path of denial, distortion and
>> > deflection could never lead to peace, truth and reconciliation. On
>> > the contrary, The Logical end of this path is civic strife if not
>> > civil war in which there are no winners and all losers.
>> >
>> > Third bullet is the denial bullet. There are dozens of denial
>> > bullets. One of the most popular Denial Bullet is silence
>> > hypothesis. It claims that Indian Muslims are silent and allies who
>> > claim to be speaking and acting on behalf of Indian Muslims are not
>> > true representative of Indian Muslims. It further touts this alleged
>> > silence as proof that there is no alliance and Indian Muslims
>> > disagrees with current path of denial, deflection and distortion.
>> > There are many holes in this hypothesis.
>> >
>> > Firstly, Silence is not same as acknowledgement of past mistakes.
>> > Secondly, there is no such thing as silent disagreement.
>> > Disagreement is always vocal. On the Contrary, Agreement can often
>> > lead to conspiracy of silence. Thus, Alleged Silence can never be
>> > interpreted as a disagreement with current path. Finally, Indian
>> > Muslims are speaking with their votes and participation in massi ve
>> > political rallies. They consistently vote for allies who favor
>> > denial path. In fact more an ally denies and asserts innocence of
>> > terrorist outfits more vote it receives. These votes provide allies
>> > a claim to speak and act on behalf of Indian Muslims.
>> >
>> > The current path of denial is compounding past mistakes. More-over,
>> > it makes Indian Muslims over reliant on Allies. This over reliance
>> > is unhealthy and dangerous. Allies have their own ideological beef
>> > against Hindus and have selfish interest is making matters worse.
>> > There are many reasons for breaking the alliance and changing
>> > course. Perhaps the best reason is to end a history of wrongdoing
>> > and leave a legacy of honesty for future generation.
>> >
>> > Related story:
>> >
>> > Forgive, not Forget History @
>> > http://indiaview.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/forgive-but-never-forget-%
>> > e2%80%93-history/
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