[Reader-list] Real Face of Terrorist Yasin Malik

Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
Sat Oct 25 11:45:53 IST 2008 

Inder,

I do not either condemn the demolition of a structure in Ayodhya for
re-building of grand Rama temple and neither condemn what happened to Yasin
Malik.

Yasin Malik , for his crimes should have been sent to gallows long back. And
we trust the Indian system , sooner or later he would be there.

Roots would keep on being focussed on yasin Malik for it serves two ends.

a. Yasin was the first person to get guns to Kashmir and the backbone of the
"Jihad".
b. Yasin Malik is sarling of Indian beurocrats and Indian strategists. We
would not let them make a hero out of villian , even if it means our exile
from Kashmir for a longer duration.

Sonia : I know you have been closely associated with Kashmir issue at
different levels. I know you have good access and information. Atleast you
should have been honest for Yasin's crime and you know he DID it. Pls accept
what is known and what is right. Thats whats the differnce. Roots is honest
if not diplomatic.

Pawan



On 10/24/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Yunus,
> thanks for picking up the nuance in the aditya's mail.
>
> right now we have an image in front of us : INK ON 'YASIN MALIK', by
> Shiv Sena ( we believe Aditya  )
> ,
> I believe, the moment you incorporate a particular  image in your
> discourse, it speaks differently.  Here, The same image if included,
> for example by Sonia will produce opposite results in comparison to
> Aditya's...
>
> So, here, sonia has made it clear that how she looks at the image, but
> Aditya, remains contradictory, either he should condemn openly  the
> Shiv Sena's cowardly act ( who openly own the demolition of Babri
> Mosque also, and their off-springs threaten North Indians in
> Maharashtra ) or he should approve the act as celebratory.  That
> simply will solve the problem for both what the images speaks for
> whom.   And if it is celebratory, then he approves the act, which he
> denies at the moment. he has still a choice.
>
> about Nizam-Mustafa:
> there are many ways to understand it.
>
> humour: in kashmiri a poet Ayub Sabir says, Rozdari gatch asin raats,
> be travha kalai shong. (  I would have slept quite early in the
> evening, if Ramazan fasting  was during the nights) . He is a friend,
> and such poets and people are very much part of the kashmiri society,
> even during such harsh times.
>
> yesterday, i saw, I AM ISTANBUL  by Mohan Maharishi at IGNCA.  a
> great play based on Orhan Pamuk novel ( Nobel winner )
>
> it is 16th century, istanbul. and its Kahwa  khana (  bohemian's club,
> gays, dancing and all that ) was attacked by fundamentalists of those
> times, who explicitly talked about Nizam-Mustafa.  Before the attack,
> the spokesperson of kahwa khanna made fun of these rufffians who
> attack such alternative ways of life,   but simultaneously criticized
> the western writers like Mark Twain, who wrote in detail about these
> kahawa khanas, which perhaps motivated these groups to react
> violently.
>
> The famous  Iranian film maker Makhmalbaf too pointed out the fact
> that demolition of Bamyian Buddha in Afganistan happened because
> American policies in our region.
>
> Needless to say, that Lahore has much fashion on the streets than in
> kashmir, the reason is perhaps, Indian policies in Kashmir.
> One simply can not forget  how the MUF ( Muslim United Front ) was
> denied the victory in early 87-88 elections which perhaps, sparked the
> sleepy JKLF in 1989.
>
> warmly
>
> is
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Syed Yunus <delhi.yunus at gmail.com> wrote:
> > May be I m wrong while using 'ruling kashmir' what i meant was young
> leaders
> > who will determine the future.
> >
> > I can understand how terrorising it must be to  face the bullets, for any
> > body.
> >
> > Also there are numerous version of Nizam-e- mustafa & not  not only
> islamic
> > state, For instance I'm an indian, which is not an Islamic state still I
> get
> > ample scope to follow Nizam-e-Mustafa, while dealing with people, doing
> > business, being a community member of the neighbourhood, doing charity,
> > while travelling in other countries. performing my work duties etc. and I
> do
> > all this openly with out any guilt (or commiting any crime) because it
> does
> > not harm any body ( not even verbally)
> >
> > also the true Nizam-e mustafa do not approve of terrorising people at gun
> > point :)
> > but it clearly stops people to say bad words or malign somebody.
> >
> > Im keen on listening you &  other people on this list,
> >
> >
> > best,
> >
> > Yunus
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/24/08, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Syed bhai,
> >>
> >> I had no intention to terrorise you, my friend Sonia or anybody on this
> >> list
> >> for that matter. I just put forth my honest opinion.
> >>
> >> If you got so terrified and threatned by mere one line in my e-mail; I'm
> >> sure you can imagine what happened to thousands of people when Yasin
> Malik
> >> and his gang members shuddered bullets into innocent people of Kashmir;
> for
> >> just no reason. The insane Yasin Malik calls this freedom struggle. What
> >> kind of freedom is this; where he openly kills anyone in broad day-light
> ?
> >>
> >> There isa wide difference between us 'Kashmiri Pandits' and the
> >> 'terrorists'. We don't speak of ruling Kashmir. They do; they want to
> carve
> >> out an Islamic State - Nizam-e-Mustama. We are happy Indians as always
> and
> >> don't suffer from hypocritic mentality of these 'terrorists' who want to
> >> eliminate the 'minority'.
> >>
> >> Future of Kashmir is dark till figures like Yasin Malik roam free and
> enjoy
> >> the cream from all areas. Lets make present better.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Aditya Raj Kaul
> >>
> >> On 10/24/08, Syed Yunus <delhi.yunus at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Aditya,
> >> >
> >> > I found your reply threatening & terrorising Sonia jabbar for not
> >> speaking
> >> > for you & your cause,
> >> >
> >> > qoating you
> >> >
> >> > "I sympathise with you Sonia; of whatever pain you suffered at India
> >> Gate.
> >> > It
> >> > was a cowardly act and unfortunate. However, this is the least one
> could
> >> > suffer after encouraging a terrorist openly and further justifying his
> >> > acts."
> >> >
> >> > to clarify my stand  im not a fan of Yaseen Malik, or any other person
> >> whom
> >> > you call terrorist.
> >> >
> >> > also I was wondering what would happen when you or other kashmiri
> young
> >> > leaders will rule the kashmir, i mean certainly there must be some
> >> thoughts
> >> > about the future of kashmir & its people, there is lot to do after
> >> > intimidating & terrorising people.
> >> >
> >> > best,
> >> >
> >> > Yunus
> >> >
> >> > On 10/24/08, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My dear friend Sonia Jabbar. It was a Times Now News item on
> Internet;
> >> the
> >> >> picture displayed; was self-explanatory and informative, so I decided
> to
> >> >> share it with the List members. Anyways, Thanks for refreshing my
> memory
> >> >> back into early 2007, when this terrorist Yasin Malik led your
> protest
> >> >> early
> >> >> in the morning of Feb. 22nd at Jantar Mantar near CP. I believe it
> was
> >> the
> >> >> same day; Yasin Malik chose to have a hunger strike, and was later
> seen
> >> >> enjoying mutton with Kasuri; while the very same mother's you
> mentioned
> >> >> were
> >> >> crying at the protest site. Nevertheless; it is certainly none of my
> >> >> business. :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> There is a lot of imagination which has resulted in your last e-mail;
> >> >> things
> >> >> need to be much more clear. Let me clarify a few myself. We had no
> >> >> intention
> >> >> to harm anybody; we merely had come to protest against a psychopath
> >> killer
> >> >> Yasin Malik. This cowardly act of some "Delhi group' of yours which
> you
> >> >> don't feel important to mention doesn't go in a good way.
> >> >>
> >> >> We all stood their opposite your protest gathering; raising slogans
> >> >> against
> >> >> Yasin Malik's presence. Despite our peaceful means; by your and those
> >> MP's
> >> >> (other powers) orders we 15-25 youth were forced into a barracde by
> the
> >> >> ACP
> >> >> of that area. Some of us were even beaten and arrested. Our crime was
> >> only
> >> >> that we were holding the tri-clolour and raising slogans against a
> >> >> terrorist
> >> >> peacefully. Some 300 Delhi Police Jawans and other para-military
> >> personnel
> >> >> surrounded us there suddenly.
> >> >>
> >> >> Early evening we ended our protest after Police released some of our
> >> >> activists who were earlier arrested. We called it a day then itself;
> and
> >> >> moved towards our respective homes. Late at night we received calls
> from
> >> >> Media and Police; questioning us on the incident which took place at
> >> India
> >> >> Gate. We had no information on it. Late into the night through some
> >> media
> >> >> sources we came to know that "Shiv Sena" members had taken
> >> responsibility
> >> >> into this incident.
> >> >>
> >> >> We 'Kashmiri Pandits' don't believe in harming others physically,
> that
> >> is
> >> >> a
> >> >> coward's sign. Yasin Malik being one of them who mindlessly raped,
> >> >> kidnapped
> >> >> and killed hundreds of innocent Hindus in the valley which led to the
> >> >> exodus
> >> >> of half a million souls. He didn't even leave IAF personnel and
> killed
> >> >> them
> >> >> on a bus stop; not to mention how he killed Kashmiri Muslim women;
> just
> >> >> because they were close to Kashmiri Pandits. If you still want to
> blame
> >> us
> >> >> and that makes you happy, I won't stop you. You can live with your
> >> >> imagination friend :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> I wonder, how could you organise such a public gathering; with a
> >> terrorist
> >> >> being a part of such act. I'm sure you must have thought a thousand
> >> times
> >> >> before such a drastic step.
> >> >>
> >> >> Also, How do you question our right to protest? Do you just always
> have
> >> a
> >> >> problem with RIK protesting against your friend Terrorist Yasin
> Malik?
> >> Why
> >> >> shouldn't we protest?
> >> >>
> >> >> Later, days after this event, a journalist believed to be close to
> JKLF
> >> >> Gang
> >> >> members, sent me a threatening e-mail; questioning my right to
> protest
> >> >> that
> >> >> very day. I need not mention more or else they might just harm me.
> >> >>
> >> >> Similarly, you mentioned about the Amnesty International event at
> Siri
> >> >> Fort.
> >> >> I don't know who briefed you about our protest; surely he/she didn't
> >> know
> >> >> the facts in totality. The protest was organised against the biased
> >> >> reporting conducted by Amnesty International India; on the occasion
> of
> >> >> 60th
> >> >> Anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. I don't
> >> >> understand
> >> >> where "Sonia Jabbar" or her clicked photographs come in picture here.
> >> They
> >> >> must have been in some corner inside; that was none of our business;
> we
> >> >> were
> >> >> outside the auditorium; silently protesting. If you still have some
> >> >> doubts;
> >> >> please visit the following link which has photographs, details and
> even
> >> >> media cuttings of the event : -
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com/2008/01/kashmiri-pandits-protest-against.html
> >> >>
> >> >> I hope I've answered all your questions at length. I won't ask for
> any
> >> >> apology from you; this propaganda has become a trend now which we
> face
> >> on
> >> >> and off. Just to tease 'Kashmiri Pandit Community' which has
> constantly
> >> >> lived under the threat of terrorist organisation JKLF; a terrorist
> Yasin
> >> >> Malik is time and again flown to New Delhi given all 5-star
> treatment,
> >> and
> >> >> put in front of media glare as an Icon. Shame on those who glorify
> such
> >> >> killers and then say we sympathise with the victims. Understand the
> >> >> difference between a 'victim' and a 'terrorist'.
> >> >>
> >> >> I sympathise with you Sonia; of whatever pain you suffered at India
> >> Gate.
> >> >> It
> >> >> was a cowardly act and unfortunate. However, this is the least one
> could
> >> >> suffer after encouraging a terrorist openly and further justifying
> his
> >> >> acts.
> >> >> I for sure cannot take your e-mail so casually, where you openly
> mention
> >> >> of
> >> >> supporting a terrorist. Why ?
> >> >>
> >> >> I welcome your support for Pandits. But, Sonia let me inform you,
> >> inviting
> >> >> this bloody terrorist Yasin Malik'; would be indirectly inviting
> 'Roots
> >> In
> >> >> Kashmir' always. Please don't compare a terrorist with "an entire
> >> >> community'
> >> >> which was thrown out of the valley at gun point. Its strange and sad;
> >> why
> >> >> you don't stand up and raise your voice against the dastardly acts of
> >> >> terrorism committed by Yasin Malik and his gang ? I dare you to
> campaign
> >> >> for
> >> >> this.
> >> >>
> >> >> Its easy to write hundreds of words for such a person; but it is
> >> difficult
> >> >> to stand hand in hand with a 'minority' for Justice. Its been 18
> years
> >> >> now,
> >> >> Sonia.
> >> >>
> >> >> In exile,
> >> >>
> >> >> Aditya Raj Kaul
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 10/24/08, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I thank Aditya Raj Kaul for posting the link with the photograph of
> >> >> Yasin
> >> >> > Malik's paint spattered face.  Now I'm pretty convinced it was his
> >> >> > handiwork, despite Roots-in-Kashmir swearing to me that none of
> them
> >> had
> >> >> > anything to do with the attack on my car.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I said it then and I will say it again-- now publicly-- the attack
> was
> >> >> > cowardly and despicable and that Aditya still chooses to snigger
> about
> >> >> it a
> >> >> > year and a half later is shameful.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For those on the List who are unaware, here is what happened:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In Feb. 2007 the mothers and wives of the victims of enforced
> >> >> > disappearances
> >> >> > in Kashmir, a group of about 60, came for a public hearing at
> Jantar
> >> >> > Mantar.
> >> >> > The event was organised by a group of Delhi based citizens, myself
> >> >> > included.
> >> >> > Yasin Malik and some other separatist leaders lent support to the
> >> event.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It was a day-long event where woman after woman appealed to the
> >> >> conscience
> >> >> > of India.  Their message was simple: we don't want jobs or
> >> compensation,
> >> >> > just tell us if our children are dead or alive.  If they are alive
> >> allow
> >> >> us
> >> >> > to meet them, if they are dead, tell us so we can arrange for their
> >> last
> >> >> > rites and bury forever the hopes and fears that have tortured us
> for
> >> >> years.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Instead of reaching out to these women-- a few who had only just
> >> exhumed
> >> >> > their loved ones at an unmarked grave in Ganderbal the week
> >> >> before--  and
> >> >> > making common cause with them, Roots-in-Kashmir decided to hold a
> >> noisy
> >> >> > protest across the street.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why? Simply because Yasin Malik, Sajad Lone and Syed Ali Shah
> Geelani
> >> >> had
> >> >> > arrived to express solidarity.  FYI invitations were sent out to
> all
> >> MPs
> >> >> > across party lines, and none besides Nirmala Deshpande came to the
> >> >> public
> >> >> > event. Had a few decided to express solidarity I wonder what
> >> >> > Roots-in-Kashmir would have done.  It was shameful to see old women
> >> >> weeping
> >> >> > and begging to be told the truth while a group of angry young
> Kashmiri
> >> >> > Pandits screamed and hurled invectives from across the street.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That evening after the event we decided to proceed to the India
> Gate
> >> >> lawns
> >> >> > just so the women could relax for a bit before returning to the
> >> >> guesthouse
> >> >> > for the night.  The bus was full so Yasin got into my car.  As I
> >> turned
> >> >> at
> >> >> > the Meridien circle, something burst against my dashboard and half
> >> >> blinded
> >> >> > me.  I braked instinctively. When at last I had managed to wash the
> >> muck
> >> >> > out
> >> >> > of my eye and mouth from the bottle of water in the car, I saw that
> >> the
> >> >> > plastic bag full of some ghastly, indelible ink, which was
> obviously
> >> >> meant
> >> >> > for Yasin Malik had missed its target, splashing his cheek
> >> >> insignificantly.
> >> >> > Whereas, like most terror attacks, I was the victim, the collateral
> >> >> damage.
> >> >> > The irony was not lost on me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My eye watered for the next 24 hours despite medication.  It took
> more
> >> >> than
> >> >> > a week for ink to fade from my skin.  My clothes were ruined
> forever
> >> and
> >> >> > had
> >> >> > to be discarded.  My car still carries dark stains as fresh as the
> day
> >> >> of
> >> >> > the attack despite repeated efforts by the garage. But I was
> grateful
> >> to
> >> >> > have gotten off lightly. Had I been driving a little faster I knew
> I
> >> >> could
> >> >> > have crashed into the circle or into another car.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I cannot take Aditya's post lightly.  Roots in Kashmir, of which
> >> Aditya
> >> >> is
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > member, has never apologized for the action.  Of course they will
> say
> >> >> how
> >> >> > can we apologize for something we didn't do.  Indeed you cannot,
> and I
> >> >> have
> >> >> > no proof that it was you or some other cowardly group, but Aditya
> >> >> betrayed
> >> >> > his gleeful approval of the event and this is what I question now.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I also question the decision of Roots in Kashmir to hold a protest
> at
> >> >> the
> >> >> > Amnesty photography show earlier this year.  I was not present but
> >> heard
> >> >> > about it later.  Since the only photographs in the large group show
> >> that
> >> >> > had
> >> >> > to do with Kashmir were my photographs on enforced disappearances I
> >> >> assume
> >> >> > the protest was directed either at me and my work, or the victims
> of
> >> >> > enforced disappearances.  Why is it that Roots could not
> countenance
> >> the
> >> >> > exhibition, why did they want to shut me up? Was the work a pack of
> >> >> lies,
> >> >> > was it propaganda? Or does RIK have a problem with work that
> denounces
> >> >> > State
> >> >> > terrorism?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As someone who has for years extended support to Pandits who were
> >> >> targeted
> >> >> > in the early '90s, I find it both amusing and sad that a group of
> >> >> Pandits
> >> >> > find it intolerable when I extend similar support to other victims
> of
> >> >> > violence in Kashmir. I can only say you damage your own cause by
> this
> >> >> > attitude: if you cannot find it within you to identify with the
> pain
> >> of
> >> >> > others, you will find it increasingly difficult to find others to
> >> >> identify
> >> >> > with yours.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sonia Jabbar
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > From: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> >> >> > > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:11:11 +0530
> >> >> > > To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> >> > > Subject: [Reader-list] Real Face of Terrorist Yasin Malik
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The real face of Terrorist Yasin Malik :-) ...lol
> >> >> >
> >> >> > check here -
> >> >> > > http://www.timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=19235
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Aditya Raj
> >> >> > > Kaul
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Campaign Blog: http://kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com/
> >> >> > Personal Blog:
> >> >> > > http://activistsdiary.blogspot.com/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > _________________________________________
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> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Aditya Raj Kaul
> >> >>
> >> >> Freelance Correspondent, The Times of India
> >> >> Cell - +91-9873297834
> >> >>
> >> >> Campaign Blog: http://kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com/
> >> >> Personal Blog: http://activistsdiary.blogspot.com/
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