[Reader-list] Real Face of Terrorist Yasin Malik

inder salim indersalim at gmail.com
Sat Oct 25 23:28:51 IST 2008 

Dear Partha,
good to hear that you are from Baroda, and then you must give us a
first had account of what happened in Modis Gujarat, and who
Chandramohan was arrested, and how his Prof. suspended. if see that a
simple democratic protest by modis goons, then i  humbly differ

it is very unfortunate that such  ugly protests happen and continue to
happen, and those who see it normal means to make a point in public
domain are call is political are simply out of tune with realities of
life in depth.

I know, Terro is a strange thing, but when thousands of politicians
indulge in opportunism why cant Yasin Malik do the same. Gandhi too
has was opportunistic in his own way. but let not go into that in
detail. We should realize that how subtly he appropriated what Bhagat
Singh created with his sacrifice.

you are still stuck with word  EXONERATED , but you miiss the word
puppet that Aditya used for Yasin Malik which in fact brought this
word into my response.

fortunately, we agree that there should be no demolition of ancient
sites, whatever the compulsions. Yes, when Pawan ji publicly declares
that he approves demolition, you have very little choice to defend
him. unless you igonre the contradiction. you can again come on that.
yes, you want to know why this demolition thing sprung up, because
Shiv Saniks owned it. simple....and they threw ink on yasin malik to
mark protest in their own style.  So, you decide now, since, pawan ji
had declared his liking for Shiv Saniks.

and when you write that i  believe that all the sadhu are shiv saniks,
you are simply pumping your words into my mouth. i never said like
that. There is a hell lot of difference between shiv sanik and a
shadu.

now seriously, do you think that that burning hussain works was a way
of protest, and if so, then we strongly differ.  yes, protest are
fundamental right, well said by you, but please let me know what is
your definition of protest. is throwing ink or acid or stones, or
spitting or shit a mark of protest,. i feel otherwise, yes, one can do
that, a hungry man can throw stones on others, if he has no food in
his or her stomach, but a poltical protest, i believe it is worst form
of ugliness.##

i have not brackated anybody, and neither i am part of any bracket.  i
guess we share a lot of things , other than what we are talking right
now.

love and regards
is


On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Inder,
>
> Terror is a strange thing, silent people like Gandhi with his non-violence
> movement scared the British Empire enough that India won independance.
>
> If you will sit back and say that since everyone is taking advantage and
> everyone is corrupt, so lets agree that they're right - then I will disagree
> with you. To answer your point 'Whats the difference' - very simple - it's
> wrong and we should not condone it.
>
> As for being exonerated - we've seen cases where people killed under the
> influence of a Tantrik. That does not exonerate them. If a drunk man drives
> a car and kills someone, he's responsible, even if he had a drink. Puppet or
> not, Yasin is supposedly a thinking person and therefore responsible for the
> actions he has taken.
>
> As for my stand on the Babri Masjid - well, I think it's a massive waste of
> time to go hunting temples or mosques or churches that pre-date the other &
> restore them. There must have been some sort of a dwelling where my house
> today, and if someone who's ancestor lived there comes today and asks me to
> move, i won't. If you do follwo this list, had mentioned it some time back.
> In any case, what's that got to do with what we're talking about.
>
> Yes, I do find it ridiculous that you call someone a 'Shiv Sainik' because
> he agrees with the Babri demolition. There were thousand of Sadhu's around
> as well. Are you now going to insist that all Sadhu's are Hindu militants?
> Or that all Hindu's are Sainiks?
>
> Look at what you write and how ridiculous it sounds...
>
> Just for the heck of it, Inder, i am from the art school of Baroda. There
> are protests and all sorts of people everywhere. Some who agree what art is
> and some who disagree. There is much art i dislike and ignore. Some protest
> more noisily. Then again, i think that we can not stop protests as it is a
> fundamental right and we have all seen cases - many recently - where the
> protest has created affirmative action.
>
> As for the 'running behind you with a Trishul' - read the para, and the
> meaning should be clear. Something I wrote just a bit back, insisting that
> people fit into a group just so that you are mentally comfortable bracketing
> them in one extreme is ridiculous - and I'm sure as painful to them as it
> was to you when you were being bracketed.
>
> Rgds, Partha
> ................................
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Partha,
>>
>> about Yasin Malik and others such radical beings, i have already said,
>> that i regret that there no thinking radical ( terrorists ) around,
>> who could have forced some changes rather than giving excuses to army
>> and police to do all what they are doing.
>>
>> yes, who is not taking advantage of the opportunities, particularly in
>> politics, and kashmiri leaders are using all opportunities, like rest
>> of other polticians are doing here. what is the difference ?
>>
>> my use of word EXONERATED was because Aditya said Yasin Malik is a
>> PUPPET,....... that precisely means that there is a  Master, here in
>> Delhi. or abroad,  i think you need to clarify that from Aditya, on
>> what grounds he said that he is a puppet, he must be knowing better,
>> since to wrote it with authority. i only found a clear meaning in word
>> puppet.
>>
>> strange, that you see i am pushing Pawan Durani into Shiv Sanik Camp.
>> Here, i would like to know what is your stand on Babri Demolition, i
>> dont only condemn it but i see it the most unfortunate thing in India
>> since Partition. please read again, Pawan ji says that he approves the
>> Demolition of Babri Mosque, and Shiv Saniks/VHP publicly owned the
>> responsibility,
>>
>> 'running behind me with a Trishul'  what is this means ?. oops
>>  i really could not follow this phrase, i guess this was meant for
>> someone else,
>>
>> about the ink on yasin malik, that is debate, and if you reduce it to
>> childish or college level activity then you certanily undermine the
>> forces who disrupt art activities in Baroda, and burn Hussain's
>> paintings and  and break art works at Sahmat etc. just recent
>> examples.
>>
>> with love and regards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Dear Inder,
>> >
>> > 1.  If you read the full text of Aditya's messages (since there were
>> > two)
>> > and
>> >      look beyond the literal text, then Yasin comes across as an
>> > opportunist
>> >      jumping to any camp / cause that gives him maximum boost / benefit.
>> >
>> > 2.  In either case, don't see how you construe that as "technically
>> > exonerated
>> >      him from the crimes...". This 'technically exonerated' bit sound
>> > like
>> > sitting
>> >      in court and releasing a criminal since the witnesses are too
>> > scared to
>> >      testify. In any case, if crimes were committed by Yasin, then he is
>> > responsible
>> >      unless he takes the mental imbalance route, wherein he'll not be
>> > held
>> > liable.
>> >
>> > 3.  Pushing Pawan or anyone else into a 'Shiv Sainik' group is as
>> > ridiculous
>> >      as calling all Kashmiri's terrorists because some are. Just because
>> > I'm
>> > a Hindu
>> >      does not mean i'll have to run behind you with a Trishul. You sound
>> > like the
>> >      visitors of 20 years back from abroad who were as shocked by the
>> > cattle
>> > and
>> >      elephants on the street as they were by finding people who could
>> > speak
>> > English
>> >      and believed that shouting made them more understandable !
>> >
>> > 4.   Finally, sure throwing ink on someone could have caused an
>> > accident.
>> > However,
>> >       as a ex-student from the days that ballpens were not around,
>> > remember
>> > the
>> >       amount of fun we had in ink-fights. This incident was most likely
>> > not
>> > done in
>> >       the same spirit, but am certainly glad that it stuck to the level
>> > of
>> > ink, and did
>> >       not translate into acid or anything else that would have had
>> > permanent
>> > results.
>> >       Childish, sure it was, but certainly not a tit-for-tat response to
>> > someone the
>> >       perpetrators believed to be a killer.
>> >
>> > Rgds, Partha
>> > ......................................
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 4:47 PM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Aditya,
>> >>
>> >> just a moment,
>> >> you say that Yasin Malik is a puppet,
>> >>
>> >> then all the actions of 1990 in kashmir were drafted in New Delhi or
>> >> abroad, not in kashmir,  not by kashmiris, right.
>> >>
>> >> if that is true,   you have  technically exonerated him from the
>> >> crimes you believe he has committed.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear Pawan
>> >>
>> >> i think the list deserves to know if Pawan Durani is a Shiv Sanik,
>> >> because you boldly approve Demolition of Babri Masjid
>> >> the point is important, here,  because , now it is established that
>> >> Shiv Saniks authored  that  INK ON YASIN MALIK, and you approved that
>> >> act as well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul
>> >> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >  7. Yasin Malik is defended by a good lobby of activists, lawyers,
>> >> > bureaucrats and others. I need not mention 'why' atleast hundred
>> >> > cases
>> >> > against him; which I've a list of are not moving ahead. He is a
>> >> > puppet
>> >> > at
>> >> > the hands of various agencies inside and outside the country. He is
>> >> > an
>> >> > important tool to turn, control and ignite or sweep Kashmir Internal
>> >> > Politics.
>> >> >
>> >> > He has been a killer, kidnapper and a rapist of not only Kashmiri
>> >> > Pandits,
>> >> > but even Kashmiri Muslims and even IAF personnel who were killed in a
>> >> > non-combat situation. What could be worse? He enjoys free movement
>> >> > inside
>> >> > and outside the country inspite of several cases pending against him.
>> >> > Today
>> >> > 25th October, is one such hearing of his case in the TADA Court in
>> >> > Jammu
>> >> > where the case has been on for last 18 years and he rarely attends.
>> >> >
>> >> > I fail to understand where did I corner you or scream at you. Just
>> >> > another
>> >> > figment of imagination you live with Sonia. Kindly WAKE UP !!!!! We
>> >> > do
>> >> > protest with the state whereever possible; but similarly we protest
>> >> > with
>> >> > the
>> >> > HR bodies who have been silent on this deamon turned Godfather of
>> >> > many.
>> >> > We
>> >> > can't and won't stop protesting against him. He killed and raped our
>> >> > brothers and sisters.  He was the initiator of  terrorism which led
>> >> > to
>> >> > exodus of an entire community of 'moderate and peaceful Pandits'.
>> >> >
>> >> > How can you sit and reconcile with such a psychopath?
>> >> >
>> >> > Just memorising speaches and giving 'Takrir' in Kashmir doesn't make
>> >> > a
>> >> > leader of him. He has been a Terrorist and needs to face justice
>> >> > delivery
>> >> > mechanism.
>> >> >
>> >> > Its strange why you are going out of bounds to save him. What makes
>> >> > you
>> >> > speak for him ? Can I smell something?
>> >> >
>> >> > 8. JKLF was a banned organisation and strangely after 2000 no one
>> >> > knows
>> >> > why
>> >> > nothing happened. GoI needs to be taken to task for this. No one
>> >> > wishes
>> >> > to
>> >> > dine or be with this crazy Yasin Malik. No one cares a shit about
>> >> > him.
>> >> >
>> >> > In the recent India Today Conclave, actress Preity Zinta expressed
>> >> > reservations of sharing platform with such a person. Similar was the
>> >> > reacton
>> >> > from Shekhar Kapur and lot many delegates.
>> >> >
>> >> > He is widely known as a person who killed innocents. Watch Tim
>> >> > Sebestian's
>> >> > BBC Hard Talk with much famous terrorist Yasin Malik. Malik's silence
>> >> > speaks
>> >> > a thousand words.
>> >> >
>> >> > You can do anything with him; that is your personal matter. None of
>> >> > my
>> >> > business. But, remember it was you who questioned my right to protest
>> >> > at
>> >> > Jantar Mantar not me. So, Kindly think and then type.
>> >> >
>> >> > 9. If someone kills your parents and brother tomorrow in the name of
>> >> > religion and after a few days says I didn't mean to do it and
>> >> > apologise
>> >> > for
>> >> > the same and you come to know he has done the same with 100 more
>> >> > people;
>> >> > will you sit silently and celebrate the killings in your family? No
>> >> > country
>> >> > is different. I still believe in the law of the land. Hopefully, soon
>> >> > Yasin
>> >> > Malik will be behind bars and get sevearest punishment. From 1989 to
>> >> > 1994 he
>> >> > was a hardcore terrorist. He raped and then cut Sarla Bhat into
>> >> > pieces.
>> >> > He
>> >> > killed Tikka Lal Taploo in broad day light in busy Lalchowk area.
>> >> > Yasin
>> >> > Malik even killed Director Doordarshan Lass Kaul. And, you want to
>> >> > encourage
>> >> > him. What about Justice, Human Rights and Law now? Or, does something
>> >> > else
>> >> > push you to speak in Yasin's favour. Why isn't the same when your
>> >> > Narender
>> >> > Modi is in picture ?
>> >> >
>> >> > 10. Obviously, I and 'Roots In Kashmir' world-wide initiative would
>> >> > continue
>> >> > to campaign and spread awareness against this maniac and psychopath
>> >> > killer
>> >> > and terrorist Yasin malik who unfortunately roams free. In early
>> >> > 90's,
>> >> > my
>> >> > community met exodus; just for your information. If we seek for our
>> >> > rights
>> >> > and justice now; is it a crime ? We have a right to ask and question.
>> >> > We
>> >> > have a right to protest. We have a right to take legal course. And,
>> >> > the
>> >> > public voice counts; not of 'terrorist' or their supporters. All
>> >> > through
>> >> > our
>> >> > conversation, it is clear something really motivates you to support
>> >> > Yasin
>> >> > Malik. And, I can't take it just as a geuine concern or a support for
>> >> > some
>> >> > movement. There is a lot behind the curtains.
>> >> >
>> >> > What charisma does a terrorist have who is a 10th fail and was a
>> >> > street
>> >> > hooligan till he reached 20 years of his age ? Your statements make
>> >> > me
>> >> > laugh
>> >> > Sonia Jabbar. Atleast, save some shame.
>> >> >
>> >> > I dare you to bring Yasin Malik yet again to New Delhi. Cardreless
>> >> > you
>> >> > are;
>> >> > because no-one supports the so called aazadi (zaharbadi) and everyone
>> >> > just
>> >> > wants peace and no more of Yasin Malik. Money flow continues.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know how you know so much about Yasin Malik's internal group
>> >> > details, money matters and even cardre. Things don't seem as bright.
>> >> >
>> >> > 11. We support the peace process; but not one hijacked by likes of
>> >> > Yasin
>> >> > Malik. Till a dirty fish like him rules the pond; dirt will remain
>> >> > intact.
>> >> > Once it is gone; peace is here to stay. And, why do we need to talk
>> >> > to
>> >> > him ?
>> >> > Does he have a mandate ? We know how people are brought in the
>> >> > protest
>> >> > rallies in Kashmir at gun point or by providing money etc. It is just
>> >> > the
>> >> > way Congress or BJP organise mass rallies. So, don't deviate
>> >> > attention,
>> >> > there is no such mass movement or so called aazadi sentiment. An
>> >> > aazad
>> >> > Kashmir will crumble in a few seconds as a pack of cards.
>> >> >
>> >> > Kashmir has always been an integral part of India historically,
>> >> > geographically, culturally, and politically. There is no second
>> >> > thought
>> >> > on
>> >> > this.
>> >> >
>> >> > The likes of terrorist Yasin Malik and their supporters if they wish
>> >> > to,
>> >> > should be transported outside Indian boundaries; they need not stay
>> >> > in
>> >> > Kashmir. Enough of bloodshed and massacres.
>> >> >
>> >> > A common man wants peace; and that doesn't seem coming till such
>> >> > terrorists
>> >> > roam free. Well, Sonia you have no extra Power to predict what might
>> >> > happen
>> >> > in future and in which direction talks will shape up.
>> >> >
>> >> > It might just happen that your good friend Yasin Malik is killed by
>> >> > his
>> >> > own
>> >> > people, as has been the trend because of their intra group rivalry.
>> >> > I'm
>> >> > sure
>> >> > you are aware of this after being so close to your Yasin 'Sahab'.
>> >> > Also,
>> >> > Yasin might soon be behind bars convicted in just so many cases
>> >> > pending
>> >> > against him. Oh yeah you would certainly talk to him and meet him,
>> >> > but
>> >> > in
>> >> > the Central Jail ... :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > And, you are no one to reconcile on our behalf. I don't knpow where
>> >> > from
>> >> > you
>> >> > jumped into Kashmir Politics; unless their are some big external
>> >> > hands
>> >> > guiding you into it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, I don't have problems if you meet Syed Sallaudin either. This
>> >> > is
>> >> > purely your wish. You have such bent of mind. You can as well go and
>> >> > meet
>> >> > Osama Bin Laden. Wish you all success in encouraging terrorists.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yasin Malik and Syed Salludin have no role in Kashmir. Terrorism that
>> >> > they
>> >> > started doesn't force us to include them in talks. Lets see how
>> >> > things
>> >> > shape
>> >> > now... We both would be here somewhere.
>> >> >
>> >> > And lastly, let me reiterate what I said earlier for you to
>> >> > understand
>> >> > clearly. I've nothing against you, why should I ? But, this bloody
>> >> > Yasin
>> >> > Malik is a terrorist and a mass killer. He needs to be transported to
>> >> > his
>> >> > right location. And, you will find me and 'Roots In Kashmir'
>> >> > protesting
>> >> > or
>> >> > campaigning against this monster friend of yours. Be happy !!!!
>> >> >
>> >> > Now, go and prepare for Yasin's wedding in Jail.
>> >> >
>> >> > P.S. - It would be best if we end this discussion here itself, I
>> >> > don't
>> >> > want
>> >> > to publicly abuse Yasin Malik now on this forum. And, try and be a
>> >> > bit
>> >> > tollerant and appreciate the other opinion; or else your intentions
>> >> > are
>> >> > at
>> >> > doubt.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best,
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