[Reader-list] one more Kashmiri Pundit email & I'll commit suicid

[Tapas Ray]

Khshemendra,

I hope you realise that these comments are not about you. They are
about the priestly preachers of this list.

Tapas

2008/10/27 Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>:
> Kshemendra,
>
> Thank you. Your concern is quite natural. I perfectly under why you
> see what seems like a lack of concern for KPs on account of a process


> Of course, the Vedas were revealed, not written by mortals who ate,
> drank, possibly made merry, and definitely disposed of their bodily
> waste in the morning. How could I forget that? I guess I forget
> because this list is run from an institution called the Centre for
> Studies in Developing Societies, which is affiliated to something
> called the Indian Council of Social Science Research.
>
> Tapas
>
>
> 2008/10/27 Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>:
>> Dear Tapas
>>
>> The respect is mutual else I would have not corresponded with you in PRIVATE
>> as we did some earlier.
>>
>> I would also not have bothered to address your mail on this topic if I did
>> not beleive that you are a thinking person with whom I wanted to register my
>> thoughts on this topic.
>>
>> You cannot be faulted for using the term 'migrants' since it is common
>> currency. It has a particularness of meaning which (in my opinion) does not
>> describe the reality. That is why I requested that the issue be seen through
>> the IDP lens which (in my opinion) would be the more appropriate one. There
>> was no need for you to apologise. It was more than enough that you agreed to
>> do so.
>>
>> I personally do not think that KPs have need for any sympathy.
>>
>> The thrust of my thoughts was that here I have in front of my eyes the slow
>> but sure extinction taking place of a Unique Human Socio/Cultural/Religious
>> sub-set. Where are those who are ever so forthcoming to take up as a cause
>> similar Displacement and Threatened Extinction of other Unique
>> Human Sub-Sets and Unique Non-Human Sub-Sets? More than many of them are on
>> this very List taking up a variety of 'causes'.
>>
>> Instead you get 'moronic' commentaries by a Kirdar or a Karim or a Shivam or
>> that Inder Salim.
>>
>> You have named some KP names on this List. I am not familiar with what
>> singularly or (if any) collectively is their Political or Politico-Religious
>> ideology. But what I do know from my membership of some KP forums is that
>> they are dedicatedly involved in trying to ease the sufferings of members of
>> the KP community through practical action.
>>
>> It is also possible that some amongst them subscribe to the "Hindutva"
>> agenda.
>>
>> I personally have contempt for the "Hindutva" agenda for the simple reason
>> that I see it as threatening the integrity of India. Anyone who speaks or
>> acts in a manner that promotes or will  lead to disintegration of India is
>> an enemy of India. Is my enemy. It does not matter to me whether it is a
>> Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Isai, Atheist or Agnostic, Capitalist, Socialist or
>> Communist. Or is a Kashmiri Pandit.
>>
>> At the same time, you will see people (on this List) being chucked into a
>> (for example) Hindutva box or a Islamist box whether they deserve to be
>> treated so or not. The reason (in my opinion) is that they do not have
>> exactly the same views as you (not Tapas) on an issue. Since you (not Tapas)
>> do not have the capability to 'engage' with their 'different opinions' it
>> suits to demonise them. Becomes easier to justify unsheathing of the swords.
>>
>> Shouldnt a KP talking about the social/cultural/demographic/religious
>> destruction wrecked in Kashmir by some Muslims be as acceptable as a
>> Muslim talking of similar acts by a group of Hindus? Is that being a
>> Hindutva Vaadi?
>>
>> Does the questioning of the Peace Avtaar of the separatist Yasin Malik
>> automatically become a generalised attack on Muslims? Is attacking
>> the Islamist agenda of a Ali Shah Geelani or (howsoever deviously disguised
>> it may be) of a Yasin Malik or Maulvi Omar Farooq to be less acceptable than
>> attacking the Hindutva agenda of a Modi or of VHP or of the Bajrang Dal or
>> attacking the slimy Christiandom agenda?
>>
>> It is true that manner of speech, expression and how you weave the
>> contents of what you convey is of importance and may make or mar
>> impressions. I do hope that the KPs who are being demonised on this List pay
>> attention to the perceptions created by them. Not just the KPs but everyone
>> else too. Especially in the context of this topic the authors of the
>> 'moronic' postings Kirdar, Karim and Shivam.
>>
>> There are some on this List who thrive on confrontation and will do any
>> which thing to provoke it. Does it include some KPs on this List? Yes it
>> does. Does it include others who are Non-KPs? Yes it does. Morons like
>> Kirdar, Karim, Shivam and Inder Salim, alongwith such morons like We Wei,
>> Chanchal Malviya and (if I am not wrong, the new Avtaar of Radhikarajen)
>> Rajendra Bhat.
>>
>> Where are the 'intellectual capabilities' that seek to converse and discuss
>> without open or veiled attacks? There are some. Woefully few.
>>
>>
>> Kshmendra
>> (yet another moron)
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] one more Kashmiri Pundit email & I'll commit
>> suicide
>> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 10:44 PM
>>
>> Kshemendra,
>>
>> I have a certain respect for you (not that you can't live without it),
>> and take your criticism seriously.
>>
>> You are right. These people are indeed refugees or internally-displaced
>> in official jargon. It was a mistake on my part to use the term
>> migrants, which is a neutral term that does not adequately indicate
>> their situation. I apologise for that.
>>
>> However, I think you might have noticed that I have always expressed
>> sympathy for this group. If I remember, I wrote long ago that
>
>
>> Kshmendra Kaul wrote:
>>> Dear Tapas
>>>
>>> With what you have written, what is the difference between you and such
>>> voices who unthinkingly brand as "Anti-Hindu" or
>> "Pseudo-secular" or
>>> "Islamists" etc those people who might talk about issues of
>> Humanism?
>>>
>>> Talking about Kashmiri Pandit issues does not automatically make a
>>> person a follower of the Hindutva agenda.
>>>
>>> You might have a better appreciation of the "angst" shown
>