[Reader-list] Have you seen this face of the world's largest democracy?

chanchal malviya chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 3 11:52:10 IST 2008 

Well said.. That should be the ideal of human life...
Unfortunately, it is not so... Now, it is time to think if you can live in this country as a Hindu for long.. and if so, how long... because not only History, but recent shape of World also points to only one thing... Darul Islam.. and not Darul Hareb... So, all the best for peace... 
I do not hate Muslims... But I am attacking to what is wrong... 
Will Muslims come out some day to say, yet what has been told in Quran is scrap.. because God cannot himself teach hatred and war... Can Christians also do the same...
If so, there is no doubt this world will become a nice place to live... 
Or else, if people will believe in Day of Judgement... they will surely act also according to that so that Day of Destruction is reached...  It is all about attitude.. and when Mass Attitude is harmful.. People of peace must create Arjuns so that Krishna can also come in their protection...

Or else, dead people are liable to face easy death.. that is what Lord Krishna meant in Chapter 11 of Bhagwad Geeta... He showed Arjun that people are already dead, so what is the big deal in actually killing them.. Let us not be dead.. Let us be lively to have pride for our Sanatan Dharma... Because Dharma is our father, and Bharat is our Mother.... if you do not understand this... There is nothing to stop your descturction... It is happening. It happened in History.. It happened in Malabar.. It happened in all Islamic countries... It happened in Kashmir.. It will happen soon with you...  

This is not hatred.. This is exposure of hatred that lies on the other side in the name of GOD...



----- Original Message ----
From: Rohit Shetti <rohitism at gmail.com>
To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:27:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Have you seen this face of the world's largest democracy?

..regardless of where it comes from, I think it is more important to
acknowledge the current emotions than some sort of competition on masjid
mandir demolition lists. History is important, but I think we are all
capable of not using it for creating or justifying hatred within ourselves.

R

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>wrote:

> And, probably your emotional one liners come from bollywood. :) :)
>
>
> On 9/2/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > BE SHAK MANDIR MASJID TODO, PAR PYAR BARA DIL KABI NA TODO -
> >
> > ( .. may demolish a temple, a mosque, but never a heart full of love )
> >
> > it  is  normal for Indians to love bollywood
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:08 PM, chanchal malviya
> > <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you think Islam is Laxman?
> > > Laxman was obedience to his elder brother.
> > > Islam is deadly against its elder brother Hinduism.
> > >
> > > And do not say Ramayan is a myth. All the research on Ram Sethu and
> > further in Sri Lanka has gone to proove the million year old history of
> > India, that is sung by every Indian even today.
> > >
> > > If you want the list of temples put down in Kashmir in recent decade,
> > here is it:
> > > http://www.awakehindu.com/Articles/ListOfTempleDemolition.htm
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
> > > To: reader-list at sarai.net
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:58:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Have you seen this face of the world's
> largest
> > democracy?
> > >
> > > Lord Rama is weeping on seeing his brother Laxmana injured.
> > >
> > > only the most insensitive would  hesitate to derail the process of
> > > healing  in Kashmir.
> > >
> > > so, listen to what the patient is suffereing from?
> > >
> > > with love
> > > inder salim
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्
> > > <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Rage in Kashmir meets India's brute force
> > > >
> > > > http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-35279820080902
> > > >
> > > > By Alistair Scrutton
> > > >
> > > > SRINAGAR, India (Reuters) - The world's largest democracy locks up
> > > > protest leaders without charge, shoots dozens of demonstrators dead,
> > > > beats and intimidates ordinary citizens and raids homes without
> > > > warrants.
> > > >
> > > > Welcome to Indian Kashmir, where the biggest separatist protests in
> > > > two decades have clashed with the might of the state.
> > > >
> > > > "They are ruthless, trigger happy," said Ghulam Rasool Bhat, a
> > > > labourer who says he was beaten by federal police after he tried to
> > > > buy milk for his two nephews under a curfew in Srinagar, the summer
> > > > capital of Indian Kashmir.
> > > >
> > > > He lay in a bed, both legs bandaged where a soldier, shouting "Get
> > > > your milk from Pakistan" had smashed a rifle into his shins. His legs
> > > > felt, he said, as if in a continuous cramp.
> > > >
> > > > Police have shot dead at least 35 Muslim protesters in the
> > > > Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley after a row over land for a Hindu
> > > > shrine spiralled into marches and strikes against Indian rule.
> > > >
> > > > More than 1,000 people have been wounded in clashes over three weeks,
> > > > hospital officials and police say, with the Kashmir Valley often
> under
> > > > curfew. Hundreds of people have suffered police baton beatings and
> > > > bullet wounds, doctors say.
> > > >
> > > > The Indian government says its security forces have been fired upon
> by
> > > > protesters on several occasions, and said authorities had "acted
> > > > within the law and with restraint".
> > > >
> > > > Witnesses said some protesters had thrown stones at police, but said
> > > > that most were marching peacefully. India's hardline response to the
> > > > protests has highlighted what critics say is its lack of strategy to
> > > > find a solution to a problem that has already sparked two wars
> between
> > > > India and Pakistan, who both claim the region in full but rule it in
> > > > parts.
> > > >
> > > > The crackdown may also be counter-productive. Residents say the
> deaths
> > > > and violent crackdown have fuelled anger against India and boosted
> the
> > > > separatist cause after years of relative peace.
> > > >
> > > > "The government of India does not have a strategy," said Siddharth
> > > > Varadarajan, diplomatic editor of The Hindu newspaper.
> > > >
> > > > "It is relying heavily on coercion, arresting top and middle-level
> > > > leaders in the hope it will break the back of unprecedented
> protests."
> > > >
> > > > In rare criticism last week, the UN High Commissioner for Human
> Rights
> > > > called on India to avoid using excessive force. It drew a rebuke from
> > > > India for interfering in its affairs.
> > > >
> > > > SIMMERING RESENTMENT
> > > >
> > > > For decades there has been simmering resentment at the hundreds of
> > > > thousands of Indian troops stationed in Kashmir, making it one of the
> > > > most militarised regions on earth.
> > > >
> > > > Roadblocks, verbal abuse from soldiers and raids on homes have long
> > > > been a part of daily life. But as protests spiralled in August, the
> > > > government sent in battalions of the Central Reserve Police Force
> > > > (CRPF), a federal police force of mainly Hindus who do not speak
> > > > Kashmiri. Strangers to Kashmir, most residents appear to despise
> them.
> > > >
> > > > In interviews in Srinagar and nearby villages, tales were similar:
> > > > CRPF beatings, night raids on homes, verbal abuse and smashed
> windows.
> > > > Life has been worse than in previous years.
> > > >
> > > > "They are not human," said Raja, a villager from Newtheed less than
> an
> > > > hour's drive from the city. She said soldiers smashed up her home,
> > > > shouting "We'll show you what freedom is".
> > > >
> > > > In Srinagar, the CRPF has taken over from the local Kashmiri police
> to
> > > > enforce curfews and riot control. Residents complain of abuse at the
> > > > slightest provocation -- selling bread, buying milk.
> > > >
> > > > One surgeon, who asked to remain anonymous because of fear of
> > > > retribution from Indian authorities, said he has received around 400
> > > > wounded people in three weeks, 150 of them hit by bullets.
> > > >
> > > > "These are target killings. It's simple to see," said the doctor,
> > > > explaining that many of the chest wounds were from weapons such as
> > > > AK-47s. "Most of these were intended to kill. They were not to
> > > > disperse a crowd."
> > > >
> > > > Shabir Ahmed Dar, 22, lay in one hospital bed after three operations.
> > > > He was shot in the abdomen during a protest march to the Pakistani
> > > > Kashmir border.
> > > >
> > > > "There was no warning from the police. They just fired."
> > > >
> > > > The police firings drew criticism from Human Rights Watch. "To end
> > > > this cycle of tragedy, the government should order security forces to
> > > > act with restraint," it said in a statement.
> > > >
> > > > It is not just a hardline response to street protests. Authorities
> > > > have detained several separatist leaders without charge. Other
> > > > leaders, many committed to democratic change and who publicly reject
> > > > militant violence, were in hiding.
> > > >
> > > > Asiya Andrabi, chief of Kashmir's women's separatist group
> > > > Dukhtaran-e-Milat (Daughters of the Muslim Faith) who had led some of
> > > > the protests, has been detained under the Public Safety Act that
> > > > allows for a year in jail without trial.
> > > >
> > > > The violence still pales in comparison with previous years when
> > > > officials say more than 43,000 people have been killed in clashes
> > > > involving Indian troops and Muslim militants since 1989. Human rights
> > > > groups put the toll at about 60,000 dead or missing.
> > > >
> > > > Some analysts say authorities were in a difficult situation.
> > > >
> > > > "This is a place where security officials are getting attacked every
> > > > second day," said Brahma Chellaney, professor of strategic studies at
> > > > the New Delhi-based Centre for Policy Research, referring to the
> years
> > > > of militant insurgency.
> > > >
> > > > For Shameema, a 35-year-old woman who sells bread, the fear of police
> > > > was clear. She talked about how police smashed her and her family
> with
> > > > batons for selling bread under curfew. Her husband displayed a wound
> > > > to his head.
> > > >
> > > > She fell silent for a moment as a federal policeman official walked
> up
> > > > to her shop, ominously tapping his baton. Then, realising he could
> not
> > > > speak Kashmiri, she talked again.
> > > >
> > > > "I am scared," she said "But we have nowhere to go."
> > > >
> > > > (Additional reporting by Sheikh Mushtaq; Editing by Simon Denyer and
> > > > Megan Goldin)
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