[Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh Mander

[S. Jabbar]

Yes I agree he ought to have been careful but I think what he¹s referring to
here is what we call commensurate force or lack thereof.  At the height of
militancy in the Œ90s this could have been understandable but I think these
things ought to be reviewed periodically and calibrated like troop strength
and the locations of bunkers.

Do you really require armoured vehicles (bulletproof, mineproof, IED proof)
with LMGs mounted on top at street corners in the Valley when the levels of
incidents have dropped?  I¹d feel pretty offended if one moved into my
neighbourhood. I¹ve objected to armed bodyguards that trail behind important
politicians in Lodi Park.  I don¹t like the way guns have littered our
landscape and become part of it.  We¹ve gotten so used to them now that
we¹ve almost forgotten what life looked like without them, when the
policeman wielded nothing deadlier than a stout staff and the army man a
bolt action three-naught-three.

  



From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
Reply-To: <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
To: Sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>, "S. Jabbar" <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh
Mander

No.
 
But, if an idiot like me knows the difference, I would expect an IAS person
to be much more aware.
 
All said.... A Tank, is a Tank, is a Tank, is a Tank ........
 
I am sure he would have seen pics of the 'Tank' in Tiananmen Square. Maybe
he was transposing from that to  imagining Tanks in "busy market squares"
....."even in the small towns" of Kashmir.
 

--- On Wed, 9/3/08, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh Mander
> To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com, "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 7:45 PM
> 
> !! Do you really think the ability to distinguish between weaponry should
> become a criterion in the administrative services?
> 
> 
> 
> From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:52:05 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>, "S. Jabbar" <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh Mander
> 
> Well! Well! Well!
>  
> Mander is Ex IAS. Doesn't speak well of IAS.
>  
> Tanks have 'Tracks' and APCs (at least in India) are wheeled. The girth and
> general size are distinctly different.
>  
> I thought highly of Mander after his resigning from Govt service as a protest
> against the 'Gujarat Riots". But now .....
>  
> 
> --- On Wed, 9/3/08, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> From: S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh
>> Mander
>> To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com, "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 6:58 PM
>> 
>> A common mistake that people make when they come across armoured vehicles
>> with LMGs mounted on top.
>> 
>> 
>>> > From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
>>> > Reply-To: <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
>>> > Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
>>> > To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>> > Subject: [Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh Mander
>>> > 
>>> > The well known personality Harsh Mander is quoted as saying:
>>  
>> """"""" Even in
>>> > small towns, you encounter even today bullet-proof tanks stationed on busy
>>> > market squares ...... """""
>>  
>> Would someone please let me know if this is
>>> > true. Are there 'tanks' stationed on busy market squares even in
>> the small
>>> > towns of Kashmir? This is the first time I have heard of this.
>>  
>> Ex IAS cadre
>>> > and current Director Action Aid India, Harsh Mander is not expected to
>> speak
>>> > untruths. He is unlikely to mistake some other vehicle for being a
>>> > "tank".
>>  
>> If it is true then it is shameful.
>>  
>> If it is not true, then Harsh
>>> > Mander was being deliberately and deviously deceitful. "Tanks"
>> being stationed
>>> > at busy market squares 'even in small towns' presents quite a
>> damning
>>> > picture.
>>  
>> The quote is from a Press Release (02/09/08) by 'Kashmiri American
>>> > Council'  about a seminar in Columbus, Ohio, USA . It was at
>> a convention of
>>> > ISNA (Islamic Society of North America).
>>  
>> Kshmendra
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> >
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