[Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh Mander

[inder salim]

so in essence what Harsh said was right.





On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> A hurried reply, but not in haste
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> Totally agree with what you have said and the way you have put it.
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> --- On Wed, 9/3/08, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh Mander
> To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com, "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 8:30 PM
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> Yes I agree he ought to have been careful but I think what he's referring to here is what we call commensurate force or lack thereof.  At the height of militancy in the '90s this could have been understandable but I think these things ought to be reviewed periodically and calibrated like troop strength and the locations of bunkers.
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> Do you really require armoured vehicles (bulletproof, mineproof, IED proof) with LMGs mounted on top at street corners in the Valley when the levels of incidents have dropped?  I'd feel pretty offended if one moved into my neighbourhood. I've objected to armed bodyguards that trail behind important politicians in Lodi Park.  I don't like the way guns have littered our landscape and become part of it.  We've gotten so used to them now that we've almost forgotten what life looked like without them, when the policeman wielded nothing deadlier than a stout staff and the army man a bolt action three-naught-three.
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> From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>, "S. Jabbar" <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh Mander
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> No.
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> But, if an idiot like me knows the difference, I would expect an IAS person to be much more aware.
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> All said.... A Tank, is a Tank, is a Tank, is a Tank ........
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> I am sure he would have seen pics of the 'Tank' in Tiananmen Square. Maybe he was transposing from that to  imagining Tanks in "busy market squares" ....."even in the small towns" of Kashmir.
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> --- On Wed, 9/3/08, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh Mander
> To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com, "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 7:45 PM
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> !! Do you really think the ability to distinguish between weaponry should become a criterion in the administrative services?
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> From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:52:05 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>, "S. Jabbar" <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh Mander
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> Well! Well! Well!
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> Mander is Ex IAS. Doesn't speak well of IAS.
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> Tanks have 'Tracks' and APCs (at least in India) are wheeled. The girth and general size are distinctly different.
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> I thought highly of Mander after his resigning from Govt service as a protest against the 'Gujarat Riots". But now .....
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> --- On Wed, 9/3/08, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh Mander
> To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com, "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 6:58 PM
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> A common mistake that people make when they come across armoured vehicles
> with LMGs mounted on top.
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>> From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
>> To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Subject: [Reader-list] Kashmir-Tanks on busy market squares - Harsh Mander
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>> The well known personality Harsh Mander is quoted as saying:
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> """"""" Even in
>> small towns, you encounter even today bullet-proof tanks stationed on busy
>> market squares ...... """""
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> Would someone please let me know if this is
>> true. Are there 'tanks' stationed on busy market squares even in
> the small
>> towns of Kashmir? This is the first time I have heard of this.
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> Ex IAS cadre
>> and current Director Action Aid India, Harsh Mander is not expected to
> speak
>> untruths. He is unlikely to mistake some other vehicle for being a
>> "tank".
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> If it is true then it is shameful.
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> If it is not true, then Harsh
>> Mander was being deliberately and deviously deceitful. "Tanks"
> being stationed
>> at busy market squares 'even in small towns' presents quite a
> damning
>> picture.
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> The quote is from a Press Release (02/09/08) by 'Kashmiri American
>> Council'  about a seminar in Columbus, Ohio, USA . It was at
> a convention of
>> ISNA (Islamic Society of North America).
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> Kshmendra
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