[Reader-list] Noorani Reads the Fine Print of the Amarnath Accord (Nobody)

[Baruk S. Jacob]

pawan,

what i DO understand is that any viewpoint that differs from yours doesn't matter, and belongs to a nobody. 

i think the point of this list is to discuss/debate issues, with various viewpoints coming in to enrich the mix. i myself have been helped a lot, and have begun to understand, for instance, how a kashmir 'solution' that leaves the pandits out is not fair.

if your only aim on this list is to convert and/or belittle those who disagree with what you say, i, for one, find it objectionable. one may violently disagree with anothers views without having to resort to name-calling.

~baruk



http://bottlebroke.blogspot.com


--- On Sun, 9/7/08, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Noorani Reads the Fine Print of the Amarnath Accord (Nobody)
> To: b_a_r_u_k at yahoo.com
> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 2:04 PM
> Baruk,
> For "nobodies" like you I have written about
> Nooranis observation. Pls
> check
> 
> http://thekashmir.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/noorani/
> 
> And if "nobodies" are no expert...they better not
> become"somebody" about
> Kashmir issue.
> 
> And unfortuantely these nobody have as much understanding
> about Kashmir as I
> have of the pictures and poems on your blog. So i dont even
> comment on that.
> 
> I hope this does make you understand ?
> 
> Pawan
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Baruk S. Jacob
> <b_a_r_u_k at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > pawan,
> >
> > there are a lot of us on this list who are
> "nobody" in the kashmir issue.
> > if your discussion is confined to who you define as
> "somebody", maybe you
> > could send THEM your mails. leave us nobodies out!
> >
> > ~baruk
> >
> > http://bottlebroke.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Pawan Durani
> <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Noorani Reads the Fine
> Print of the Amarnath
> > Accord
> > > To: "Aarti Sethi"
> <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> > > Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 12:59 AM
> > > Aarti,
> > > Since you r NOBODY in Kashmir issue, you re
> irrelevant when
> > > it comes to
> > > discussing the issues and the personalities
> involved.
> > >
> > > And I wonder why Inder Ji does not respect
> himself by
> > > suffixing Balasaheb or
> > > Advani Ji with Sahib.
> > >
> > > I know Murtaza and Yasin Malik better than they
> know
> > > themselves and to know
> > > why I know so much about these liars  ...you
> better know
> > > me.
> > >
> > > Pawan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Aarti Sethi
> > > <aarti.sethi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Pawan,
> > > >
> > > > How is working with a brussel's based
> organisation
> > > a statement about
> > > > someone's credibility? Is a job being a
> "paid
> > > agent'? Then we are all "paid
> > > > agents" of someone or the other. The
> kashmir
> > > affairs website says quite
> > > > clearly that it is a non-funded
> organisation. If you
> > > know something the rest
> > > > of us don't, then maybe you should share
> it with
> > > the list. Otherwise your
> > > > attack on Murtaza makes no sense whatsoever.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Aarti
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 9:18 PM, inder
> salim
> > > <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Dear Rashneek
> > > >> >
> > > >> > some times back Mr. Kshmendra said
> something
> > > similar to me,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > " you deserve to be ignored
> "
> > > >> >
> > > >> >  and now it is you who said it to
> Shuddha.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I beleive, anybody who had
> developed a
> > > dislike for a particular person
> > > >> > may simply prese the botton '
> delete'
> > > >> >
> > > >> > it is too easy.
> > > >> >  because to express the anger on
> the list is
> > > worst than even 2+2=5.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > now, coming back to the basic
> question of
> > > 'Land and Freedom in
> > > >> > Kashmir' as seen in the present
> and
> > > beyond:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > We all know what is the the stand
> of an
> > > Nationlaist Indian. There is
> > > >> > nothing new, What you are saying is
> no
> > > differnt from Man Mohan Singh
> > > >> > ji, our PM.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > But if the religion of  all
> Kashmiris is
> > > ' AZADI  then how to convert
> > > >> > them all into other religion which
> is Indian
> > > Nationalism in this case.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I think it is very simple. Army and
> police
> > > and other  reasoning has
> > > >> > not helped us.
> > > >> >  I too would like to see a change
> of heart in
> > > kashmir. but, after 1990
> > > >> > that possiblity looks now remote.
> Whatever
> > > the reasons...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yes,  Kashmiri pandits have a legal
> claim in
> > > the valley, but that can
> > > >> > be the part of a real discussion,
> as and when
> > > it happens between the
> > > >> > representatives of all the
> inhabitants of the
> > > disputed territory.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now disturbes my personally, is
> that the fact
> > > that the Hindu Right
> > > >> > wing has politically appropriated
> the whole
> > > intellectual worth of
> > > >> > Kashmiri pandits. which is not
> different from
> > > Jamat-i-Islami's effort
> > > >> > to represent the whole of AZADI in
> kashmir.
> > > Kashmiri pandits need to
> > > >> > write about it boldly. And if there
> is none,
> > > they one Advani-cum-Modi
> > > >> > is enough to represent them. That
> will be
> > > unfortunate.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > We all know how people in kahsmir
> are
> > > handling this issue. Everything
> > > >> > is hazy, but  we have recently
> witnessed how
> > > Geelani sahib had to
> > > >> > retract from his claim of total
> > > representation. So similarly you too
> > > >> > need to think that every kashmniri
> pandit is
> > > not necessarly a
> > > >> > VHP/BJP/BajrangDal/ShivSanik lover.
> Let us
> > > respect the possiblity.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > then that  will amount to 2+2=4
> > > >> >
> > > >> > with love
> > > >> > is
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Just press the delete button,
> anything that
> > > you consider
> > > >> > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM,
> Aditya Raj
> > > Kaul <
> > > >> kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > > Dear Aarti,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > You are so right. We just
> can't
> > > ignore Shuddha's posts on this forum.
> > > >> He
> > > >> > > needs to be corrected from
> time to time,
> > > hence, we just can't remain
> > > >> > silent.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Be careful
> Aarti.Disinformation spread
> > > can be dangerous.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Warm Regards,
> > > >> > > Aditya Raj Kaul
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 12:31
> PM, Aarti
> > > Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >> Really? Is that so? In
> which case
> > > every post shuddha writes, rife
> > > >> with
> > > >> > >> inaccuracies and and
> ignorance,
> > > should immediately get a response
> > > >> from
> > > >> > you
> > > >> > >> setting the record
> straight.
> > > Instead, what we witness is a deafening
> > > >> > >> silence. Be careful and
> intelligent
> > > about whom you choose as your
> > > >> > >> adversaries Rashneek. And
> I think
> > > you are well aware of whose posts
> > > >> are
> > > >> > >> generally ignored on this
> list and
> > > it certainly isn't Shuddha.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> regards
> > > >> > >> Aarti
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at
> 11:19 AM,
> > > rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>> All that
> notwithstanding,
> > > Shuddha's knowledge and understanding of
> > > >> > either
> > > >> > >>> history or politics is
> of
> > > Kashmir is so poor or so full of
> > > >> inaccuries
> > > >> > >>> (intentional as well
> ignorant)
> > > that it is time we start ignoring his
> > > >> > posts
> > > >> > >>> on Kashmir.
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> Regards
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> Rashneek
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at
> 8:24 PM,
> > > Aditya Raj Kaul <
> > > >> > kauladityaraj at gmail.com
> > > >> > >>> >wrote:
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> > >>> > And, In a recent
> lecture in
> > > Jamia University, he was no different.
> > > >> > >>> > Advocating
> pan-Islamist
> > > movement in Kashmir.
> > > >> > >>> >
> > > >> > >>> > On 9/3/08, Lalit
> Ambardar
> > > <lalitambardar at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > >> > >>> > > It is not
> > > surprising.AG Noorani is a known sympathiser of
> the
> > > >> > Kashmiri
> > > >> > >>> > pan
> > > >> > >>> > > Islamists
> & their
> > > cause.  He ran a campaign series in support of
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >>> > > separatists
> in HT for
> > > years .The very fact that Noorani has
> > > >> chosen
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > >>> > call
> > > >> > >>> > > Jammuites as
> > > 'communal forces' & 'parivar'
> & the
> > > accord itself
> > > >> as
> > > >> > >>> > >
> 'gunah-e-bey
> > > lazzat' & describe those who attempt to
> seek
> > > "azadi
> > > >> > -bara
> > > >> > >>> -e
> > > >> > >>> > > -Islam"
> as
> > > 'victims' says it all.
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > >> > >>> > > Noorani once
> went
> > > overboard in " don't be fence-sitters
> " (HT
> > > >> New
> > > >> > >>> > Delhi/May
> > > >> > >>> > > 8, 2007)  in
>  his
> > > appreciation of Sayad Sallahudin of HM & the
> > > >> > >>> al-Qeada
> > > >> > >>> > > affiliate
> LeT. In a
> > > bizarre coincidence , the day LeT chief
> > > >> > allegedly
> > > >> > >>> > > assured some
> Gen.
> > > Patankar of his willingness to come to India
> > > >> for
> > > >> > >>> talks
> > > >> > >>> > >
> (...????....) as
> > > claimed by Noorani in the article , that very
> > > >> day
> > > >> > >>> Hafeez
> > > >> > >>> > > Sayad
> confessed to the
> > > reporters in Islamabad about the
> > > >> existence
> > > >> > of
> > > >> > >>> > > terrorist
> > > infrastructure in Pakistan & declared his
> resolve to
> > > >> > carry
> > > >> > >>> on
> > > >> > >>> > the
> > > >> > >>> > >
> 'jihad' to its
> > > logical conclusion (Ref. TNN/ Times of India,
> > > >> > DEL/May8'
> > > >> > >>> > 07/
> > > >> > >>> > > page no.13).
> > > >> > >>> > > LA
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > >> > >>> > > > Date:
> Wed, 3 Sep
> > > 2008 03:55:11 -0700> From:
> > > >> > kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
> > > >> > >>> >
> > > >> > >>> > To:
> > > >> > >>> > >
> shuddha at sarai.net>
> > > CC: reader-list at sarai.net> Subject: Re:
> > > >> > >>> [Reader-list]
> > > >> > >>> > > Noorani
> Reads the Fine
> > > Print of the Amarnath Accord> >  >
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > >> > >>> >
> > > >> > >>>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?Date=3_9_2008&ItemID=26&cat=1
> > > >> > >>> >
> > > >> > >>> >  >  >
> > > >> > >>> > > > >
> --- On Wed,
> > > 9/3/08, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <
> > > >> shuddha at sarai.net>
> > > >> > >>> > wrote:>
> > > >> > >>> > > > From:
> > > Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> <shuddha at sarai.net>> Subject:
> > > Re:
> > > >> > >>> > >
> [Reader-list] Noorani
> > > Reads the Fine Print of the Amarnath
> > > >> Accord>
> > > >> > To:
> > > >> > >>> > >
> "Shuddhabrata
> > > Sengupta" <shuddha at sarai.net>> Cc:
> "Sarai
> > > list" <
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > reader-list at sarai.net>> Date: Wednesday,
> September 3,
> > > 2008,
> > > >> 4:07
> > > >> > PM>
> > > >> > >>> >
> > > >> > >>> > > Dear
> all,> > The
> > > link to the Noorani article in the Greater
> > > >> Kashmir
> > > >> > >>> > > Newspaper in
> > my
> > > earlier post got inadvertently truncated. Here
> > > >> is
> > > >> > >>> the
> > > >> > >>> > > correct
> link.> >
> > > http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > Date=3_9_2008&ItemID=26&cat=1> >
> Thanks, Tilak
> > > Upadhyay for
> > > >> > pointing
> > > >> > >>> this
> > > >> > >>> > > out.>
> >
> > > best,> > Shuddha> > On 03-Sep-08, at
> 3:16 PM,
> > > >> Shuddhabrata
> > > >> > >>> > Sengupta
> > > >> > >>> > > wrote: Dear
> all>
> > > > > Dear All,> >> > An unusual
> intensity
> > > of
> > > >> hunger
> > > >> > >>> for
> > > >> > >>> > land
> > > >> > >>> > > unites
> corporations,
> > > state> > agencies and shrine boards in
> > > >> India.
> > > >> > >>> > Captains
> > > >> > >>> > > of
> Industry,> >
> > > politicians and land hungry divines seem to be
> > > >> more
> > > >> > >>> > > interested
> in> >
> > > acrage than in anything else. The Mahabharata
> > > >> > >>> mentions
> > > >> > >>> > the
> > > >> > >>> > > burning
> of> >
> > > the Khandava forest to appease a hungry god,
> > > >> > >>> inaugurating a
> > > >> > >>> > > long>
> > history
> > > of burnt and erased forests and commons. It
> > > >> appears
> > > >> > as
> > > >> > >>> it
> > > >> > >>> > > we> >
> are
> > > surrounded now by 'hungry gods'. The
> Khandava-daha
> > > >> > >>> continues.>
> > > >> > >>> > >>
> > > >> > >>> > > > Be it
> Chengara
> > > (thanks, Anivar Aravind for keeping us updated
> > > >> > about>
> > > >> > >>> >
> > > >> > >>> > the
> > > >> > >>> > > land
> struggle in
> > > Kerala, where the ruling CPI(M) led Left
> Front>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > is
> > > >> > >>> > intent
> > > >> > >>> > > on
> displacing
> > > indigenous communities from their land), or>
> >
> > > >> Singur
> > > >> > >>> > (where
> > > >> > >>> > > again, the
> ruling
> > > CPI(M) wants to gift land 'free'> to
> a> >
> > > >> > gigantic
> > > >> > >>> > > corporation
> or
> > > Amarnath, - the issues - remain the same ->
> > to
> > > >> do
> > > >> > >>> with
> > > >> > >>> > > state
> mediated
> > > acquisition of land, and the sequestering>
> > of
> > > >> > either
> > > >> > >>> > >
> cultivator's land,
> > > or a natural commons into some form of> >
> > > >> > 'gated'
> > > >> > >>> and
> > > >> > >>> > >
> 'fenced'
> > > land.> >> > There has been some
> premature media
> > > spin
> > > >> > around
> > > >> > >>> the
> > > >> > >>> > >
> 'accord'
> > > that> has> > been reached with the Shree
> Amarnath
> > > Yatra
> > > >> > >>> > Sangharsh
> > > >> > >>> > > Samiti based
> in>
> > > > Jammu. On the face of it, the accord appears
> > > >> to
> > > >> > >>> grant
> > > >> > >>> > a
> > > >> > >>> > > limited
> usage> >
> > > right to the Shree Amarnath Shrine Board. On
> > > >> > closer
> > > >> > >>> > reading
> > > >> > >>> > > of the>
> > text
> > > however, it becomes evident that the terms of
> > > >> this
> > > >> > >>> >
> 'accord'>
> > > >> > >>> > > are> >
> actually
> > > even more invasive than was the case with the
> > > >> > >>> substance
> > > >> > >>> > of>
> > > >> > >>> > > > the
> original
> > > gubernatorial 'land transfer' order in
> May.>
> > > >> >
> > > >> I
> > > >> > am
> > > >> > >>> > > enclosing
> below - an
> > > article by A. G. Noorani, a well known> >
> > > >> > legal
> > > >> > >>> > > historian
> and
> > > practitioner of constitutional law, titled>
> > 'An
> > > >> > >>> Immoral
> > > >> > >>> > and
> > > >> > >>> > > Illegal
> Accord'
> > > which was published in the Greater> >
> Kashmir
> > > >> > >>> newspaper
> > > >> > >>> > > today. It is
> available
> > > on line at -> >
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?>
> >
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > Date=3_9_2008&ItemID=26&cat=1>
> >> >
> > > Noorani carefully reads the
> > > >> > terms
> > > >> > >>> of
> > > >> > >>> > the
> > > >> > >>> > > Amarnath
> Accord in
> > > this> > article. As I had pointed out
> before
> > > >> on
> > > >> > >>> this
> > > >> > >>> > list
> > > >> > >>> > > (in my
> second post>
> > > > (dated 15th August, 2008) in the thread -
> > > >> > 'Gun
> > > >> > >>> > Salutes
> > > >> > >>> > > for
> August> >
> > > 15' in response to Sonia Jabbar and Aditya
> Raj
> > > >> Kaul -
> > > >> > >>> the
> > > >> > >>> > > anger in>
> >
> > > Kashmir has a lot to do with the arbitrary
> > > >> acquisition
> > > >> > of
> > > >> > >>> > land -
> > > >> > >>> > > I> >
> had shown,
> > > using state government figures, how the
> > > >> equivalent
> > > >> > of
> > > >> > >>> > one> >
> > > >> > >>> > > in ten fruit
> orchards
> > > can be said to be under the occupation of
> > > >> > the> >
> > > >> > >>> > Armed
> > > >> > >>> > > Forces. The
> > > 'Amarnath Land Transfer' issue needs to
> be seen>
> > > in>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >>> this
> > > >> > >>> > > context.>
> >>
> > > > As long as that anger (regarding the
> alienation
> > > >> of
> > > >> > >>> land)
> > > >> > >>> > is
> > > >> > >>> > > not> >
> > > addressed, the people of Kashmir will have no
> reason, in
> > > >> my>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >>> > > estimation,
> to think
> > > of themselves as anything but under a
> > > >> brutal
> > > >> > and>
> > > >> > >>> >
> > > >> > >>> > > unrelenting
> > > occupation. The current 'Amarnath Accord'
> in my
> > > >> view,>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >>> > worsens
> > > >> > >>> > > the
> situation, and can
> > > alienate the people of Kashmir (for> >
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >>> reasons
> > > >> > >>> > > that Noorani
> > > underlines below) even more. As such, it can>
> >
> > > >> only
> > > >> > be
> > > >> > >>> > viewed
> > > >> > >>> > > as yet
> another
> > > provocation, yet another disaster, in> >
> the long
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > >>> > >
> undistinguished record
> > > of the Government of India's> > tragic
> > > >> > >>> blundering
> > > >> > >>> > on
> > > >> > >>> > > Kashmir. It
> cannot but
> > > prove to be divisive in a> > situation
> > > >> that
> > > >> > >>> > urgently
> > > >> > >>> > > requires the
> > > opposite.> >> > regards> >>
> >
> > > Shuddha> >> >
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > >> >
> > >
> ======================================================================
> > > >> > >>> >
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > >> > >>> > > ==> >
> > > =======================> >> > An
> Immoral and
> > > Illegal
> > > >> Accord>
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >>> > Greater
> > > >> > >>> > > Kashmir,
> September 03,
> > > 2008> > A G NOORANI> >> >
> Srinagar, Sep
> > > >> 2:
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > >>> > accord
> > > >> > >>> > > between the
> Jammu and
> > > Kashmir government> > and the Shri
> > > >> Amarnath
> > > >> > >>> Yatra
> > > >> > >>> > > Sangharsh
> Samiti on 31
> > > August is far> > worse than the
> > > >> government's
> > > >> > >>> order
> > > >> > >>> > > only three
> months
> > > earlier on 26> > May. It grants the SAYSS
> > > >> > >>> concessions
> > > >> > >>> > > beyond what
> the May
> > > order did.> > It is one-sided and marks an
> > > >> > abject
> > > >> > >>> > > surrender to
> violence,
> > > blockade> > and to communal forces. The
> > > >> > >>> > differences
> > > >> > >>> > > between the
> order and
> > > accord> > are glaring. Here is a list:>
> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 1.
> > > >> > >>> The
> > > >> > >>> > > order was
> made
> > > pursuant to a decision on 20 May by the
> cabinet>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > in
> > > >> > >>> > which
> > > >> > >>> > > both Jammu
> and Kashmir
> > > were represented. The accord> >
> > > >> completely
> > > >> > >>> ignores
> > > >> > >>> > > Kashmir
> where the land
> > > is to be given. Jammu alone> > was
> > > >> > represented.
> > > >> > >>> A
> > > >> > >>> > > week
> earlier, there
> > > was a clampdown in the Valley> > and top
> > > >> > leaders
> > > >> > >>> were
> > > >> > >>> > >
> arrested.> >>
> > > > 2. Even the controversial order nowhere used
> the
> > > >> > word
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > "exclusive".> > The SAYSS felt so
> emboldened
> > > as to demand it and
> > > >> > >>> threaten
> > > >> > >>> > to
> > > >> > >>> > > wreck>
> > the
> > > deal if it was not conceded. The government
> yielded
> > > >> in
> > > >> > >>> the
> > > >> > >>> > > early>
> > hours
> > > of 31 August. Para 6A says that the Government
> > > >> > "shall
> > > >> > >>> set
> > > >> > >>> > > aside>
> > for use
> > > by Shri Amarnathji Shrine Board exclusively the
> > > >> > land
> > > >> > >>> in>
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > >> > >>> > > Baltal and
> > > Domail". This order unknown anywhere in the
> world
> > > is>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >>> > cloaked
> > > >> > >>> > > under a lie
> by calling
> > > it "traditionally under use for the> >
> > > >> > annual
> > > >> > >>> > yatra
> > > >> > >>> > >
> purpose". The
> > > traditional route for over a century is> >
> the
> > > >> > Pahalgam
> > > >> > >>> > route.
> > > >> > >>> > > The Baltal
> route is a
> > > recent demand. It was> > regarded by the
> > > >> Army
> > > >> > >>> and
> > > >> > >>> > > Nitish
> Sengupta Report
> > > as dangerous. It is> > also unnecessary
> > > >> if
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >>> > limit
> > > >> > >>> > > of yatris
> set by the
> > > Report (1 lakh) is> > observed.>
> >> > 3.
> > > >> This
> > > >> > >>> > violates
> > > >> > >>> > > the
> citizen's
> > > fundamental right under Art. 19 (1) D> > to
> move
> > > >> > freely
> > > >> > >>> > > throughout
> India. The
> > > demand of exclusivity was not> > made even
> > > >> in
> > > >> > >>> May
> > > >> > >>> > 2008
> > > >> > >>> > > or in
> decades earlier.
> > > It is pure communal> > aggression using
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >>> yatra
> > > >> > >>> > for
> > > >> > >>> > > political
> > > demonstration not religious> > piety.>
> >>
> > > > 4. The
> > > >> > duration
> > > >> > >>> of
> > > >> > >>> > use
> > > >> > >>> > > is widened
> to cover
> > > pre and post yatra period.> > Para 6 C
> first
> > > >> > says
> > > >> > >>> > that
> > > >> > >>> > > the land
> will be used
> > > "for the duration of> > the
> yatra"
> > > >> including
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >>> > > period of
> preparations
> > > and winding up. But> > the very next para
> > > >> > has
> > > >> > >>> > these
> > > >> > >>> > > sinister
> words:
> > > "The aforesaid land> > shall be used
> according
> > > >> to
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >>> > > Board's
> > > requirements from time to> > time,
> including for the
> > > >> > >>> following".
> > > >> > >>> > > There follow
> 9
> > > measures including> > construction, setting
> up of
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >>> > sheds
> > > >> > >>> > > and shops
> etc. These
> > > can be> > done even beyond the yatra period
> > > >> > "from
> > > >> > >>> > time
> > > >> > >>> > > to
> time" and
> > > "according> > to the Board's
> > > requirements"; may be
> > > >> all
> > > >> > >>> the
> > > >> > >>> > year
> > > >> > >>> > > around.>
> >>
> > > > 5. Para 8 of the order insisted that the
> land
> > > >> "shall
> > > >> > >>> > return"
> > > >> > >>> > > to the>
> > State.
> > > This is dropped in the accord. This
> > > >> accomplishes
> > > >> > S.K.
> > > >> > >>> > >
> Sinha's> >
> > > objective— permanent use the year round.>
> >> >
> > > 6.
> > > >> Also
> > > >> > >>> dropped
> > > >> > >>> > > totally is
> Para 4 on
> > > payment for user.> >> > 7. Dropped
> too is
> > > >> Para
> > > >> > 6.
> > > >> > >>> An
> > > >> > >>> > > undertaking
> of
> > > "foolproof measures> > against water
> pollution
> > > >> and
> > > >> > Para
> > > >> > >>> 7
> > > >> > >>> > on
> > > >> > >>> > > payment of
> fine for
> > > damage to> > the forest. There is a pious
> > > >> > >>> provision
> > > >> > >>> > in
> > > >> > >>> > > accord Para
> 6 C (ix)
> > > among> > the objectives of land user;
> > > >> namely
> > > >> > >>> > >
> "undertaking
> > > measures relating to> > … preservation of
> > > ecology"
> > > >> > etc.
> > > >> > >>> > Breach
> > > >> > >>> > > entails no
> fine.>
> > > >> > 8. The order of 26 May was
> rescinded on 1
> > > >> > July.
> > > >> > >>> > The
> > > >> > >>> > > accord
> will> >
> > > require a fresh order to implement it. By itself
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >>> > accord
> > > >> > >>> > > has no>
> > legal
> > > force. Section 2(a) of the J&K Forest
> > > >> > (Conservation)
> > > >> > >>> Act
> > > >> > >>> > > 1997>
> > says
> > > "the Government shall not, except on a
> resolution
> > > >> of
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >>> > > Council>
> > of
> > > Ministers based on the advice of the Advisory
> > > >> > >>> Committee">
> >
> > > >> > >>> > > constituted
> under the
> > > Act "make any order directing that any
> > > >> > forest> >
> > > >> > >>> > land
> > > >> > >>> > > or any
> portion thereof
> > > may be used for any non-forest purpose".>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > >>> > > earlier
> phrase
> > > "Council of ministers" merely was
> revised by
> > > an>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >>> > amendment
> > > >> > >>> > > in 2001 and
> the Forest
> > > Advisory Committee's advice was> >
> added
> > > >> and
> > > >> > >>> made
> > > >> > >>> > > mandatory.
> > > "Council of Ministers" is specific. It
> is> >
> > > >> different
> > > >> > from
> > > >> > >>> > "J&K
> > > >> > >>> > >
> Government" whose
> > > powers vest now in the> governor> >
> alone. The
> > > >> > law
> > > >> > >>> > >
> intentionally provides
> > > the resolution as a safeguard.> > This
> > > >> > Council
> > > >> > >>> can
> > > >> > >>> > > come into
> existence
> > > only after the next elections.> > In any
> > > >> case
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >>> > Forest
> > > >> > >>> > > Advisory
> Committees
> > > advice on 12 July 2007> > cannot apply to
> > > >> this
> > > >> > new
> > > >> > >>> > > accord which
> must be
> > > vetted afresh by that> > Committee. It was
> > > >> > given
> > > >> > >>> > before
> > > >> > >>> > > the Supreme
> > > Court's final judgment in> > the T M
> Godavarman
> > > case
> > > >> on
> > > >> > 23
> > > >> > >>> > > November
> 2007 which
> > > lays down the law> > and makes important
> > > >> > >>> observations
> > > >> > >>> > on
> > > >> > >>> > > balancing
> development
> > > with> > protection of environment. Failure
> > > >> to
> > > >> > >>> > consider
> > > >> > >>> > > it vitiates
> the>
> > > > decision. Precisely based on
> > > >> misrepresentation
> > > >> > of
> > > >> > >>> > opinion
> > > >> > >>> > > of the>
> > deputy
> > > CM Muzaffar Hussain Beg and advocate general
> > > >> Altaf
> > > >> > >>> Naik
> > > >> > >>> > > both>
> > of which
> > > were given in entirely difference cases.>
> >> >
> > > >> The
> > > >> > >>> > accord
> > > >> > >>> > > lacks legal
> efficacy
> > > as well as moral and political> >
> > > >> legitimacy.
> > > >> > Any
> > > >> > >>> > order
> > > >> > >>> > > in its
> implementation
> > > will be void in law. It> > is a pity that
> > > >> the
> > > >> > >>> state
> > > >> > >>> > > should bend
> all rules
> > > to buy peace with> > communal forces
> > > >> > including
> > > >> > >>> > promise
> > > >> > >>> > > to consider
> > > compensation for law-> > breakers. What of
> > > >> compensation
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > >>> > the
> > > >> > >>> > > Valley for
> the
> > > blockade? The> > parivar in Jammu has
> already
> > > >> begun
> > > >> > >>> asking
> > > >> > >>> > > for more.
> The
> > > Government> > has not bought peace but
> trouble. It
> > > >> is
> > > >> > >>> > > gunah-e-bey
> lazzat
> > > (sin> > without any taste.)> >>
> > If the
> > > >> state
> > > >> > can
> > > >> > >>> > thus
> > > >> > >>> > > bend its
> knees before
> > > the Sangh parivar on an> > issue like
> > > >> this,
> > > >> > what
> > > >> > >>> > hopes
> > > >> > >>> > > of justice
> can
> > > Kashmiris entertain when> > it comes to
> restoring
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > >>> > raped
> > > >> > >>> > > Article 370
> to a
> > > status of worth and> > respect?>
> >> >
> > > END> >> >
> > > >> > >>> > >
> > > >> >
> > >
> ======================================================================
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> > > >> > >>> > >
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