[Reader-list] Delhi University gets ABVP president after 8 years/reader-list Digest, Vol 62, Issue 35.
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Thu Sep 11 17:14:33 IST 2008
Arti, it is indeed sad that for arguments and thoughts on the issue is idiotic. ? Issue that has escaped all in the nation is more basic and fundamental, in democratic rule of law, each and every citizen, his progeny needs good governance without fear or favour. The school of thought which propagated in 1947 onwards, that a section of the society has remained oppressed, so special quota for those oppressed is idiotic because of the simple fact that, when in democratic rule of laws, every one irrespective of the caste or faith has to be facilitated to have education, healthcare and basic essentials, and there should not be any section of the society that is discriminated because of the caste or faith. But the reservation that was brought in for just ten years, did another bigger wrong to the society in bad governance, by creating another section of OTHER Backward Caste group, which actually is the section which was always privileged class in kingdoms as the rulers executives i
n the kingdoms, with the result that these sections of society led by the fuedal lords of the olden days again gained control of the votebanks, thus those who are organised unitedly are getting all the privileges of the system, others irrespective of the caste or faith are in for bad governance in the system. As all of us are part of the system, we keep blaming the system, but none are willing to take the responsibilty for obivious reasons so that vote banks are not disturbed. ?
Be it a caste hindu of lower caste, or upper caste or other backward caste, be it a muslim or any other faith, in the last 61 years of free india, the benefits of fair and equitable benefits have reached any of them, as it is siphoned off in between and the results are there to see, the young educated for want of opportunities turning rebels, naxals and all anti societal movements in the society.
The solution to this issue is the reservation should be for funds, national exchequer, to be reserved for more productive issues of education, basic education, vocation training, imparting skill sets in the changing needs of the time. This should reach all the citizens irrespective of caste, faith or region.
Regards.
----- Original Message -----
From: Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Delhi University gets ABVP president after 8 years/reader-list Digest, Vol 62, Issue 35.
To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Dear Aditya,
>
> Clearly the law of this land and the Supreme Court do not agree
> with your
> idiotic definition of "caste-based" reservations for which we can
> only be
> grateful. Nor did the political process pay any heed eventually to the
> "movement" launched by privileged doctors to protect upper-caste
> privilege.Your "movement" having reached every corner of this
> country is complete
> nonsense. Exactly what proportion of this country actually counts for
> anything in your scheme of things is utterly obvious from the
> position you
> take on caste. If you want to begin a debate here on the debacle
> that was
> your "movement" everyone is more than willing. Especially how your
> line kept
> changing as you realised that the elite with whom you threw in
> your lot
> were,wonders of wonders, out of their depth. And so finally, after
> the court
> spoke in favour of reservations, from "no reservations" you
> finally went to
> "not more than 50% reservations" and now youre barking on about
> "we were
> strongly in favour of affirmative action". Many of those
> conservations are
> archived on this list in fact aditya, so again, be careful before
> you try
> and squirm your way out of your own dissimulations...
>
> What lessons should you draw from this? That, finally, people such are
> yourself are utterly irrelevant to larger politics. A sobering
> thought is it
> not?
>
> best
> Aarti
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul
> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>wrote:
> > Pawan,
> >
> > Everybody knows that United Students contested the elections in
> 2006 and
> > came out third with 4,300 votes after NSUI and ABVP. This surely
> does not
> > make our communist brothers of SFI/AISA etc. happy. I don't
> understand why
> > at all they fight elections as they hardly have any support in
> the campus.
> > Anyways, I respect democracy.
> >
> > Prakash bhai, I don't understand why a news item made you scream
> at the top
> > of your voice. Is something behind this ? Anyways, Yes United
> Students was
> > formed in 2006 but only after we successfully campaigned for
> Jessica Lall
> > and Priyadarshini Mattoo to get Justice. In April 2006, we were
> the first
> > in
> > India to speak out against Case Based Politics and caste based
> > reservations.
> > Now, if you support this; it goes on to show who actually is
> castiest Mr.
> > Ray. We were strongly in favour of Affirmative Action. Our agitation
> > reached
> > every nook and corner of the country and soon the Doctors
> friends took over
> > and formed Youth For Equality. This surely should pain only
> those, who are
> > against, progress, against equality, fair justice and education
> for all.
> >
> > Mr. Ray, Your comments are unfortunate. For your kinf
> information, United
> > Students still exists and it contested the elections in 2007 and
> as well
> > this year. Tania Jain from SRCC Economics Hons. was our
> candidate who did
> > fairly well even though she had no support from Congress, BJP or
> your CPI
> > (M).
> >
> > Now, coming to your blind allegations. Nupur Sharma who is now
> the DUSU
> > President is a good friend and an able leader. So, I thought of
> supporting> her. I don't get why it pains you.
> >
> > United Students has been very active in Delhi University for
> past one year.
> > We have been campaigning against sexual harassment. Its only
> because of the
> > efforts of our activists that you see strong presence of Police on
> > strategic
> > locations across the University. We also campaigned for
> relaxation of rates
> > for students who travel from the METRO. This demand is under
> consideration,> but will take time for implementation because of
> the huge loan India has
> > taken from Japan.
> >
> > I do understand why you are not aware of these silent
> developments in the
> > university. You are busy instigationg people against few
> students groups on
> > communal lines and spreading lies. Do you remember Nandigram ?
> Its very
> > unfortunate.
> >
> > Don't loosen you frustration here this way. It won't result in
> anything> positive.
> >
> >
> > Love
> >
> > Aditya Raj Kaul
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Pawan Durani
> <pawan.durani at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Wouldnt have expetcted anything better from where your address is
> > > !..........you know what I mean.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:11 AM, prakash ray
> <pkray11 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Shri Durani,
> > > >
> > > > Please ask about what is a castiest to Mr Aditya Raj Kaul. I
> am sure
> > that
> > > > he
> > > > will speak (also open and show) his mind to you despite the
> dangers of
> > > > taking the brain out in open without medical/surgical
> support and
> > > > supervision. As far as my definition is concerned, I am not
> bothering> you
> > > > by
> > > > telling it to you. If I tell you this, you will waste your
> time in
> > > replying
> > > > to it. If needed, I will bother you on another issue on
> another time.
> > > >
> > > > Prakash
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Pawan Durani
> <pawan.durani at gmail.com>> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And Ray Sahib,
> > > > > What is your definition about Casteist ? And as far as Mr
> Adityaraj> > Kauls
> > > > > stand on communalism is concerned ,.I am happy that
> someone from
> > youth
> > > > > section speaks his mind out at dangers which can engulf
> the whole
> > > country
> > > > in
> > > > > times to come.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pawan Durani
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 2:41 AM, prakash ray
> <pkray11 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Dear Mr Aditya Raj Kaul,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I am not at all surprised at your happiness on the
> victory of ABVP's
> > > > >> presidential candidate in DUSU elections 2008. An
> activist like you
> > of
> > > a
> > > > >> casteist organization like United Students, a clone of
> Youth for
> > > > Equality,
> > > > >> will be only happy if a communal organization wins an
> election. And
> > > your
> > > > >> position on communalism is known to the readers of the
> list. Those
> > who
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> not heard about the outfit called United Students, I want
> to tell
> > them
> > > > >> that
> > > > >> this anti-reservation entity was formed in 2006 alongwith
> notorious> > > Youth
> > > > >> for Equality to oppose reservation in the educational
> institution.> > > United
> > > > >> Students contested DUSU elections in 2006 and 2007 and
> for better,
> > it
> > > > does
> > > > >> not exist anymore. Mr Aditya Raj Kaul led a delegation of
> United> > > Students
> > > > >> to
> > > > >> the President of India on May 4, 2006 to oppose the
> reservations.> > > >> Interestingly, he is elated at the ABVP's
> victory after contesting
> > > > against
> > > > >> it for two years. I am sure that he and his fellow
> > > anti-reservationists
> > > > >> worked for ABVP this time which 'supported' reservations.
> Will Mr
> > Kaul
> > > > >> explain the deal between these two outfits? As far as the
> DUSU> results
> > > > are
> > > > >> concerned, it is another issue to be talked seperately.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Prakash
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