[Reader-list] Seditious articles on Kashmir criticised

[Partha Dasgupta]

Dear Radhikarajen,

a)   I'm a Hindu married  to a Christian. And as I tell anyone who asks, I
do not
     care if my children grow up as Hindus or Christians as long as they
grow up
     to be good human beings.
     Other than that, find your rabid comments against Christians as
extremely
     disgusting, biased and without reason / logic.
     You claim to have been a journalist, and then make stupid statements
like
      "Can you give me  one single name of a christian who fought against
the
      british rule. ?". At least have the intellectual honesty to read a bit
before
      making such unfounded students. Forget the Indian Christians, just
read
      up on CF Andrews from St Stephens who was close to Gandhi and a part
      of the freedom struggle

b)   You talk about the 'dark underbelly' of Jamia Nagar and forget the many
belts
      across UP and Bihar and other states / places in India. These places
have
      more to do with the lack of employment and the burning ambition to
spend
      as was seen in the case of the kidnap of the Adobe employees son.

c)   Are you now claiming that the name 'Sonia' being used for Indian
children
      only came about after Sonia Gandhi?

d)   As for goons, look at what happens to MCD squads in Delhi who do not
dare
      go about without Police protection during demolition in 'upmarket'
areas.

Sometimes do try and look at how ridiculous and rabid you sound.

Rgds, Partha
...................

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:34 PM, <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:

> Truth hurts, hurts very strongly. i have lived in Jamianagar, just as any
> other area it has its share of good muslims, about good muslims I had
> written last, in my post, they are really too good, they just shut up, they
> can not , will not raise their voice, they know it is futile.
>
>  Yes, again all societies have the fair share of bad elements, thiefs,
> brothels and et all. But in those areas law keepers can act, but Jamianagar,
> no, never.
>
>  But if my post has hurt the civilised society, here are my apologies,
> truth of the matter is Jamianagar is , has been the out bounds area for law
> keepers, thanks to strong presence of goons of deviant behaviour..
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net>
> Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:55 pm
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Seditious articles on Kashmir criticised
> To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>, radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>
> > Aditya, Radhikarajen
> >
> > While I do not endorse anyone telling anyone, be they Aarti or
> > you,
> > Aditya, to 'shut up' on the list, (and your 'take it offline'
> > comment
> > is only a variation on the 'shut up' theme), I find it indeed
> > unfortunate that the list is once again being used to spread a
> > great
> > deal of malicious comment and insinuation, based on an assessment
> > of
> > the religious identity of the people who live in a neighbourhood.
> >
> > I found Radhikarajen's comments (which Aarti responded to with her
> >
> > 'Enough' post) on the inhabitants of Jamia Nagar deeply offensive.
> >
> > I have studied at Jamia Millia Islamia university, and I have many
> >
> > friends who live in Jamia Nagar, and Radhikarajen's broad abusive
> > sweep ('car thieves', 'terrorists', 'goons', 'dirty underbelly',
> > 'brothel keepers') despite his concluding token caveat about some
> > of
> > what he calls 'good muslims' is personally insulting to me (though
> > I
> > do not live in Jamia Nagar) and to several of my friends who
> > happen
> > to live there.
> >
> > I want to know which neighbourhood in Delhi does not contain anti-
> > social elements. Which neighbourhood is free of bigots, wife
> > beaters,
> > begetters of petty violence, arms dealers, con men, informers and
> > murderers? I grew up during the Anti-Sikh riots of 1984, and I saw
> >
> > people in every neighbourhood in Delhi turn on their neighbours,
> > killing around 6000 people in less than three days. Not a single
> > area
> > in Delhi was unscathed by that terrible violence. And in some
> > ways,
> > this city is still coping with what happened during those days.
> > Which
> > community, which neighbourhood, does not have in its midst people
> > who
> > are prone to a pathological desire to see pain inflicted upon
> > others?
> > Would we then be justified in saying that Delhi and its mainly
> > Hindu
> > inhabitants, is a city full of blood-thirsty people, mainly
> > arsonists
> > and rioters, prone to throwing burning tyres on men just because
> > they
> > happen to wear turbans and go unshorn? I don't think so, and I
> > would
> > argue against anyone who tried to say as much.
> >
> > I can see why anyone on the list would be angered and provoked
> > enough
> > to say 'enough', when such things are said about particular
> > communities and neighbourhoods, though I would not agree with
> > their
> > expressing it by telling anyone to 'Shut Up', as Aarti has done.
> >
> > I do hope you remember that when Shivam VIj made an inappropriate
> > posting tagged 'Hindu Terrorists' on this list, not very long ago,
> > he
> > was promptly admonished by several people, including me. Now that
> > the
> > shoe is on the other foot, I am surprised to see you acting
> > 'holier
> > than thou' in this fashion when someone says that they have had
> > enough of what is, frankly, unmitigated prejudice.
> >
> > There is no reason why, just as Shivam Vij thought it fit to
> > render a
> > graceful apology, Radhikarajen, and anyone else at all, who marks
> > people, no matter of which community, or which neighbourhood, in
> > Delhi, or elsewhere, with blanket negative qualifiers, should not
> > do
> > the same.That apology is still awaited.
> >
> > Shuddha
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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