[Reader-list] When cowards run the State, the nation bleeds

Sun Sep 21 19:44:13 IST 2008

thanks for comment that i am a gifted person, and i can lead the
nation to safety

i remeber, Ghalib,
hum kahan key dana, kis hunar main yakta, be sabab huva ghalib,
dushman aasman aapna,
( i am not wise, and neither i have a special talent;  this caused
Ghalb's  helplessness, and the world  as enemy ) a quick ttranslation

see my dear,  i dont understand what is the harm to ban both SIMI and
BajrangDal simultaneously.

we need to see the rot underneath. i will digress a little. see we
sing, jis desh mein ganga bahti hai , hum us desh kay vasi hain. ( we
are pround citizens of a country where Sacred River Ganga flows )
right. but is it true in reality ?   see the polution in the river. in
hardiwar, there are many other things which saddened me.

i beleive, a true emanicipation is something that is based on reason.
why we are afraid of reasoning.
i am not perfect, but you guide us how to see BajrangDal's activities.
How to look into the demolition of Babri Masjid, how to understand
what they did to  MFHussain. Either the latest Suspreme court verdict
is wrong, or Parveen Tagodia and his trishul Daris. I  feel
suffocation when there is fundamentalim as guding spirit of a nation.
right now we are suffering a lot because of that.

it is like Aurangzeb beheading of Sarmad , the great sufi saint as
more sinful, in comparison to the Rajput king  who poisioned Meera,
the great mystic saint poet.

both are wrong,
love
is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvBd_F-Fn3w&eurl=http://www.orkut.co.in/FavoriteVideos.aspx?uid=6727520732482835616F

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Prabhakar Singh
<prabhakardelhi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Inder,
>
> I am not sympathetic to Bajrang Dal which is nothing before the dimension of Islamic terrorism in the entire world.But I am not for putting conditions in favour of one or other terrorist outfit in the name of secularism or whatever.Ground facts are very well known to all of us. Please watch out for your inherent emotional weaknesses before making well-worded one-sided intellectual arguments.I would request a genius and gifted person like you to kindly rise above it and lead us and lead the nation to safety.
>
> Regards,
>
> Prabhakar
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
> To: reader-list at sarai.net
> Sent: Sunday, 21 September, 2008 11:54:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] When cowards run the State, the nation bleeds
>
> Dear Singh
> Genius is a scanalous audacity of nothing, well said by  JP Sartre
>
> well, who will define the activities of BajrangDal ?  for me they are terrorists
>
> there are people who say IM too are not terrorists,
> how to balance it
>
> the best is if we commit ourselves to secular values, guaranteed in
> the constitution.
> we can not give latitude to one and accuse the other
>
> that will be counterproductiive
>
> let us see and wathc
> best
> is
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Prabhakar Singh
> <prabhakardelhi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dear Inder,
>>
>> This is where genius intellectuals like you fail when they try to confuse the issue and try to take sides cleverly.Issue is terrorism not secularism.To please you let us ban a small Bajrang Dal first and make all Islamic terrorists operating under different names and banners free to operate anywhere in the name of equality,secularism,minority,backwardness,vote-bank etc. who have shaken the entire world by their activities.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Prabhakar
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
>> To: reader-list at sarai.net
>> Sent: Sunday, 21 September, 2008 12:25:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] When cowards run the State, the nation bleeds
>>
>> dear aditya,
>> just want to know what is your reaction to Paswan's demand to ban Bajrang Dal?
>>
>> i think he should have demanded this a decade earlier,
>> when we demand a ban on Simi we should automatically ban BajrangDal and VHP ?
>>
>> and if not , just tell me why,
>> if the  Govt. fails to ban BajragDal, they are truly cowards,
>>
>> this is to restore some basic components of secularism in india.
>>
>> love
>> is
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul
>> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  When cowards run the State, the nation bleeds
>>>
>>> *Tarun Vijay | *September 17, 2008
>>>
>>> http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/17tarun.htm
>>>
>>> Again the same old stories, the same threats and same resolve of politicos,
>>> like wet, squeezed paper. We told you so, at that date and time, but you
>>> didn't listen. We asked for a stringent law. Our intelligence department was
>>> warned, yet no one acted.
>>>
>>> It's a plot to derail the peace process with Pakistan, we shall never get
>>> trapped but continue our *mohabbat*. They are not Islamists. Bad guys have
>>> no religion, so don't say it's Islamic terrorism. They come from nowhere.
>>> May be from Mars, but certainly not from Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. They are
>>> not our people, not Kashmiris or Delhi-ites.
>>>
>>> Don't embarrass Pakistan by pointing fingers at it or at SIMI or Hurriyat --
>>> we are continuing with our Confidence Building Measures and such blasts aim
>>> to disrupt it. Why should we allow that?
>>>
>>> Another feature, another magazine: SIMI is an association like the YMCA,
>>> these communal hate-mongers have connived with the Congress government to
>>> implicate them wrongly while they were conducting adult education classes.
>>> Please see the truth from secular eyes and defeat the anti-Afzal Guru crowd.
>>> Maybe the next time we will include Afzal as a minister for internal
>>> security after having experimented with the Muslim League as a partner in
>>> governance.
>>>
>>> The Deoband's concerned maulvis will again issue a statement to be welcomed
>>> by all peace-loving people. Look, they have again said that their scriptures
>>> don't recommend this kind of violent jihad and killing innocent people. But
>>> no one would ask them how many killers of the jihadi variety have turned
>>> peaceniks and left their bomb factories after such dictates.
>>>
>>> 'Hindu intolerant groups behind such bomb blasts!' -- another secular
>>> television channel would scream -- because they create an atmosphere to
>>> malign Muslims and get votes, it's election time folks. These bomb blasts,
>>> like the Godhra train fire, have been planned by Hindu chauvinists.
>>>
>>> A job well done. We can all go to sleep.
>>>
>>> When cowards run the State, the nation bleeds.
>>>
>>> A will to eliminate the weeds and face the wrath of malevolent elements with
>>> the confidence of a victor is the prerequisite to be a ruler and, yes, to be
>>> a citizen. If it's there, you build a nation. If not, civilisations vanish.
>>>
>>> If citizens encourage and harbour the wicked, forget dates like December 13
>>> that should be remembered, forget to take revenge on anti-nationals,
>>> continue with their late-night parties when dead bodies of their fellow
>>> citizens lie splattered in busy fashion markets, no one can save that
>>> deadwood society.
>>>
>>> Where writers and columnists advocate yielding to the gun-wielding
>>> secessionists because 'they want it', no one can save that country from
>>> disintegrating as every day new secessionists will emerge.
>>>
>>> It's useless to blame this party or that organisation. See what we have done
>>> and to what level the state of affairs have been brought to. Everything
>>> boils down to personal wars and wins, and homemade potboilers rule the top
>>> echelons of organisations.
>>>
>>> The nation as a matter of serious planning and vision has simply vanished
>>> off the agendas of those who are the known faces of our leadership and
>>> decision-making mechanism of the State.
>>>
>>> Personal jealousies, vendettas and *mandi*-isation of the high and mighty
>>> turn peoples' security into a joke of the ghostland where signal-jammers and
>>> black cat commandos iconise the Neros and the Republic is left to fend for
>>> itself.
>>>
>>> This is our state of affairs today.
>>>
>>> Any day, any time, anyone.
>>>
>>> Free Afzal committees. Visits to the Azamgarh home of a terrorist. Demand
>>> citizenship for Bangladeshi infiltrators. Demand ban on patriotic
>>> organisations. Win the election. That's the final aim of governance and our
>>> living. Only the people are to be blamed. It's a democracy. Choose those who
>>> bring you safety and succour. *If you choose the marauders you get back
>>> marauders.*
>>>
>>> The Indian people, as Indians alone, have done it marvellously before too
>>> whenever the occasion demanded solidarity and cohesion. Kargil saw it, 1965
>>> saw it, 1962 had a great solidarity of the patriots. Always, it's the
>>> leaders and politicians who have failed the country and backstabbed the
>>> trust people had reposed in them.
>>>
>>> Peoples' power saw that the culprits behind the Uphaar cinema fire tragedy
>>> case were brought to book, however influential they may be. It was because
>>> of their pressure and media build-up that the Nandas were punished in the
>>> BMW case. The Right to Information Act is a great instrument given to the
>>> people not because politicians wanted it but there was public pressure to
>>> have it and finally it was done.
>>>
>>> And look how Jammu rose to see the tricolour win against the Pakistani flag-
>>> *wallah*s. No one had ever imagined a people can create an upsurge unknown
>>> in regional history and win too. Great things happen nimble-footed. The
>>> British never had ay inkling of the 1857 uprising till Mangal Pandey shot
>>> the British officer in Barrackpore. Jayaprakash Narayn's too was a movement
>>> whose expanse and impact no one had anticipated, and so was the Ram
>>> Janambhoomi movement that changed the contours of the Indian polity.
>>>
>>> If people will, they can.
>>>
>>> Indians will have to decide how many more will have to die before they feel
>>> compelled to rise in revolt. India needs a rebellion of Indian people who
>>> would merge all their other identities under one banner -- the tricolour.
>>> Forget temples, churches and mosques. The first to protect the church should
>>> be a Hindu like the first to protect a swami should be a Christian. That's
>>> where the nation gets life.
>>>
>>> When the nation is in peril, gods must be discovered in national unity and
>>> not within concrete structures. These ugly, nincompoop politicos need to be
>>> thrown into the dustbin lock, stock and barrel. The truth is we, as Indians,
>>> never paid a price for our independence and honour. When I had interviewed
>>> Morarji Desai, which turned out to be one of his last, in his Mumbai
>>> apartment, he said not more than five percent Indians had participated in
>>> the independence struggle. The rest were either too lazy to come out or had
>>> lined up before the British for *bakshish* and be their officers.
>>>
>>> Read what Abraham Lincoln did to save America from disintegration and his
>>> famous Gettysburg address and also his inaugural one as president. He
>>> accepted a civil war but refused the demand to divide America. Nearly seven
>>> lakh Americans died in that war, but a new sun rose on its horizon that
>>> inspired millions across the globe with its egalitarian and democratic
>>> values.
>>>
>>> *What sacrifices have we offered to save national integrity and the civil
>>> life of our nation?*
>>>
>>> Isn't it time to ask this question and rise in rebellion to say 'no' to this
>>> bloodbath unitedly?
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