[Reader-list] When cowards run the State, the nation bleeds

[Pawan Durani]

Inder ,
I can not but feel amazed at your justifications. Why do you always give
examples of a Hindu organization being communal ? Not that I love any !

Why cant you or have never given example of Kashmir as a communal politics ?
Why do you always end up playing Gujarat, which for that one period has been
the most peaceful region in the country ?

You get disturbed by the Loud music of a Jagran , which plays once in a
while. Just think of many hindu houses in Kashmir where
the loudspeakers were deliberately fixed.

The problem is that like other Psuedo's you are a weak person. Leave the
fear of centuries of oppression behind. Have guts and accept the truth.

Pawan



On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:28 PM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pawan ji
> i remember, Swami Vivekananda, perhaps, he said it that, he loves to
> see a  small child going to a temple, stands in playfully in front of
> the idol, but not when an grown up does the same.
>
> you have certainly emotional weakness that stops you and Aditya from
> demanding an immediate ban for BajrangDal.
>
> emotional weakness is still something ,but when the desing to opress
> the other, it is sinister, that is what it seems in this case
>
> Sang Parivar are not different from other fundamental  right wing
> poltical  outfits in the counrty. it is not even about one simple
> belief, but about the  killing each other. it is about hate. which i
> dont understand why? unless you are part of the power strucutre,
> othewise
>
> they use the innsocent beleiver, first to demolish the mosque and then
> shoot him in cold blood, it is same with the other religons.
>
> people need to wake up, this is the simple trap for HIndus to hate
> muslism. so that BJP comes back to power, and do a Gujrat to stay in
> power for another five yeears.
>
> there is no other way for common masses expcet to restore the common
> love between each other, and that can happen only when we  undersand
> the game plans of these poltical outfits.
>
> just give me one example where these right wing parties contribute to
> modern ways of living,  none.
>
> they have a dagger in their sleeves and Ram in their mouths
>
> i am right now hearing a loud Jagran ( night devotional musical  ) it
> is so loud, and i know it will go on for 3 in the night,
> once i humbly asked to lower the volume of it, so that my  old mother
> can go to sleep,  to my surprise , man with white beard,  told me that
> dont dare you say it again, we will make you to sell your home from
> the vicinity, as we did in other colony who dared to challange us.
>
> i was taken aback, because i knew they have powe, police officials
> dont dare to question them, they are simply a huge bully,
>
> now this too can be understood, but what about if the same platform is
> used to deliver hate against the  mulsims.
> that happened in kashmir as well, when mosques were used to threaten
> the  pandits in 1990.
>
> will you deny all this?
>
> with love
> is
>
> Ghalib says, kaya woh minrood ki khudayee theee, bandgee main mara
> bhalla na huva. (to bow in front of Nimrod,  the fascist king, finally
> proved futile,   i got nothing ) see  the poet's honesty, let us get
> inspired by him. there is always  time to see the colour of  fascism
> and hate that destroys all of us in the end.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>there are people who say IM too are not terrorists,how to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance it<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> > Inder Ji,
> > This is not balancing. This is appeasing.
> > Pawan
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 11:54 AM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Singh
> >> Genius is a scanalous audacity of nothing, well said by  JP Sartre
> >>
> >> well, who will define the activities of BajrangDal ?  for me they are
> >> terrorists
> >>
> >> there are people who say IM too are not terrorists,
> >> how to balance it
> >>
> >> the best is if we commit ourselves to secular values, guaranteed in
> >> the constitution.
> >> we can not give latitude to one and accuse the other
> >>
> >> that will be counterproductiive
> >>
> >> let us see and wathc
> >> best
> >> is
> >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Prabhakar Singh
> >> <prabhakardelhi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Dear Inder,
> >> >
> >> > This is where genius intellectuals like you fail when they try to
> >> > confuse the issue and try to take sides cleverly.Issue is terrorism
> not
> >> > secularism.To please you let us ban a small Bajrang Dal first and make
> all
> >> > Islamic terrorists operating under different names and banners free to
> >> > operate anywhere in the name of
> >> > equality,secularism,minority,backwardness,vote-bank etc. who have
> shaken the
> >> > entire world by their activities.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Prabhakar
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> > From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
> >> > To: reader-list at sarai.net
> >> > Sent: Sunday, 21 September, 2008 12:25:30 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] When cowards run the State, the nation
> bleeds
> >> >
> >> > dear aditya,
> >> > just want to know what is your reaction to Paswan's demand to ban
> >> > Bajrang Dal?
> >> >
> >> > i think he should have demanded this a decade earlier,
> >> > when we demand a ban on Simi we should automatically ban BajrangDal
> and
> >> > VHP ?
> >> >
> >> > and if not , just tell me why,
> >> > if the  Govt. fails to ban BajragDal, they are truly cowards,
> >> >
> >> > this is to restore some basic components of secularism in india.
> >> >
> >> > love
> >> > is
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Aditya Raj Kaul
> >> > <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>  When cowards run the State, the nation bleeds
> >> >>
> >> >> *Tarun Vijay | *September 17, 2008
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/17tarun.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> Again the same old stories, the same threats and same resolve of
> >> >> politicos,
> >> >> like wet, squeezed paper. We told you so, at that date and time, but
> >> >> you
> >> >> didn't listen. We asked for a stringent law. Our intelligence
> >> >> department was
> >> >> warned, yet no one acted.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's a plot to derail the peace process with Pakistan, we shall never
> >> >> get
> >> >> trapped but continue our *mohabbat*. They are not Islamists. Bad guys
> >> >> have
> >> >> no religion, so don't say it's Islamic terrorism. They come from
> >> >> nowhere.
> >> >> May be from Mars, but certainly not from Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.
> They
> >> >> are
> >> >> not our people, not Kashmiris or Delhi-ites.
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't embarrass Pakistan by pointing fingers at it or at SIMI or
> >> >> Hurriyat --
> >> >> we are continuing with our Confidence Building Measures and such
> blasts
> >> >> aim
> >> >> to disrupt it. Why should we allow that?
> >> >>
> >> >> Another feature, another magazine: SIMI is an association like the
> >> >> YMCA,
> >> >> these communal hate-mongers have connived with the Congress
> government
> >> >> to
> >> >> implicate them wrongly while they were conducting adult education
> >> >> classes.
> >> >> Please see the truth from secular eyes and defeat the anti-Afzal Guru
> >> >> crowd.
> >> >> Maybe the next time we will include Afzal as a minister for internal
> >> >> security after having experimented with the Muslim League as a
> partner
> >> >> in
> >> >> governance.
> >> >>
> >> >> The Deoband's concerned maulvis will again issue a statement to be
> >> >> welcomed
> >> >> by all peace-loving people. Look, they have again said that their
> >> >> scriptures
> >> >> don't recommend this kind of violent jihad and killing innocent
> people.
> >> >> But
> >> >> no one would ask them how many killers of the jihadi variety have
> >> >> turned
> >> >> peaceniks and left their bomb factories after such dictates.
> >> >>
> >> >> 'Hindu intolerant groups behind such bomb blasts!' -- another secular
> >> >> television channel would scream -- because they create an atmosphere
> to
> >> >> malign Muslims and get votes, it's election time folks. These bomb
> >> >> blasts,
> >> >> like the Godhra train fire, have been planned by Hindu chauvinists.
> >> >>
> >> >> A job well done. We can all go to sleep.
> >> >>
> >> >> When cowards run the State, the nation bleeds.
> >> >>
> >> >> A will to eliminate the weeds and face the wrath of malevolent
> elements
> >> >> with
> >> >> the confidence of a victor is the prerequisite to be a ruler and,
> yes,
> >> >> to be
> >> >> a citizen. If it's there, you build a nation. If not, civilisations
> >> >> vanish.
> >> >>
> >> >> If citizens encourage and harbour the wicked, forget dates like
> >> >> December 13
> >> >> that should be remembered, forget to take revenge on anti-nationals,
> >> >> continue with their late-night parties when dead bodies of their
> fellow
> >> >> citizens lie splattered in busy fashion markets, no one can save that
> >> >> deadwood society.
> >> >>
> >> >> Where writers and columnists advocate yielding to the gun-wielding
> >> >> secessionists because 'they want it', no one can save that country
> from
> >> >> disintegrating as every day new secessionists will emerge.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's useless to blame this party or that organisation. See what we
> have
> >> >> done
> >> >> and to what level the state of affairs have been brought to.
> Everything
> >> >> boils down to personal wars and wins, and homemade potboilers rule
> the
> >> >> top
> >> >> echelons of organisations.
> >> >>
> >> >> The nation as a matter of serious planning and vision has simply
> >> >> vanished
> >> >> off the agendas of those who are the known faces of our leadership
> and
> >> >> decision-making mechanism of the State.
> >> >>
> >> >> Personal jealousies, vendettas and *mandi*-isation of the high and
> >> >> mighty
> >> >> turn peoples' security into a joke of the ghostland where
> >> >> signal-jammers and
> >> >> black cat commandos iconise the Neros and the Republic is left to
> fend
> >> >> for
> >> >> itself.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is our state of affairs today.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any day, any time, anyone.
> >> >>
> >> >> Free Afzal committees. Visits to the Azamgarh home of a terrorist.
> >> >> Demand
> >> >> citizenship for Bangladeshi infiltrators. Demand ban on patriotic
> >> >> organisations. Win the election. That's the final aim of governance
> and
> >> >> our
> >> >> living. Only the people are to be blamed. It's a democracy. Choose
> >> >> those who
> >> >> bring you safety and succour. *If you choose the marauders you get
> back
> >> >> marauders.*
> >> >>
> >> >> The Indian people, as Indians alone, have done it marvellously before
> >> >> too
> >> >> whenever the occasion demanded solidarity and cohesion. Kargil saw
> it,
> >> >> 1965
> >> >> saw it, 1962 had a great solidarity of the patriots. Always, it's the
> >> >> leaders and politicians who have failed the country and backstabbed
> the
> >> >> trust people had reposed in them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Peoples' power saw that the culprits behind the Uphaar cinema fire
> >> >> tragedy
> >> >> case were brought to book, however influential they may be. It was
> >> >> because
> >> >> of their pressure and media build-up that the Nandas were punished in
> >> >> the
> >> >> BMW case. The Right to Information Act is a great instrument given to
> >> >> the
> >> >> people not because politicians wanted it but there was public
> pressure
> >> >> to
> >> >> have it and finally it was done.
> >> >>
> >> >> And look how Jammu rose to see the tricolour win against the
> Pakistani
> >> >> flag-
> >> >> *wallah*s. No one had ever imagined a people can create an upsurge
> >> >> unknown
> >> >> in regional history and win too. Great things happen nimble-footed.
> The
> >> >> British never had ay inkling of the 1857 uprising till Mangal Pandey
> >> >> shot
> >> >> the British officer in Barrackpore. Jayaprakash Narayn's too was a
> >> >> movement
> >> >> whose expanse and impact no one had anticipated, and so was the Ram
> >> >> Janambhoomi movement that changed the contours of the Indian polity.
> >> >>
> >> >> If people will, they can.
> >> >>
> >> >> Indians will have to decide how many more will have to die before
> they
> >> >> feel
> >> >> compelled to rise in revolt. India needs a rebellion of Indian people
> >> >> who
> >> >> would merge all their other identities under one banner -- the
> >> >> tricolour.
> >> >> Forget temples, churches and mosques. The first to protect the church
> >> >> should
> >> >> be a Hindu like the first to protect a swami should be a Christian.
> >> >> That's
> >> >> where the nation gets life.
> >> >>
> >> >> When the nation is in peril, gods must be discovered in national
> unity
> >> >> and
> >> >> not within concrete structures. These ugly, nincompoop politicos need
> >> >> to be
> >> >> thrown into the dustbin lock, stock and barrel. The truth is we, as
> >> >> Indians,
> >> >> never paid a price for our independence and honour. When I had
> >> >> interviewed
> >> >> Morarji Desai, which turned out to be one of his last, in his Mumbai
> >> >> apartment, he said not more than five percent Indians had
> participated
> >> >> in
> >> >> the independence struggle. The rest were either too lazy to come out
> or
> >> >> had
> >> >> lined up before the British for *bakshish* and be their officers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Read what Abraham Lincoln did to save America from disintegration and
> >> >> his
> >> >> famous Gettysburg address and also his inaugural one as president. He
> >> >> accepted a civil war but refused the demand to divide America. Nearly
> >> >> seven
> >> >> lakh Americans died in that war, but a new sun rose on its horizon
> that
> >> >> inspired millions across the globe with its egalitarian and
> democratic
> >> >> values.
> >> >>
> >> >> *What sacrifices have we offered to save national integrity and the
> >> >> civil
> >> >> life of our nation?*
> >> >>
> >> >> Isn't it time to ask this question and rise in rebellion to say 'no'
> to
> >> >> this
> >> >> bloodbath unitedly?
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