[Reader-list] Jamia Millia University should be prosecuted

Thu Sep 25 14:37:48 IST 2008

Democratic life in free India has ensured respect for media and judiciary all these eyars, but the blacksheep in both these institutions have only given cynicism to law abiding citizens of the nation.

 Not a single judge be it from supreme court or lower courts has resigned till date after being named in PF scam. Procedural lapses of delaying the trial, fudging the witnesses and evidence is now routine. after all judges do adjudicate on the evidence produced before court, not on speculations. ! media with its fair share of blacksheep who cook favours for adrevenue with political bosses is another fall out of the private channels being exclusive, the first to report kind of journalism. In  the circumstances where corruptionis first choice of life for the society, the guilty can always get away with money and muscle and vote power
 That ruling minister can ask his solicitor general to defreeze the account of 21 crore in London, without the knowledge of Supreme court and investigating agency is high light of this judicial proceedings. Delay in bofors investigations by orders of single judges of Delhi high court on flimsy grouns, subsequent rewards to these lawyers and judges as chairman and MPs is another example of fudging the process of law.
  A retired tired judge giving reports of train and those burnt inside is the mockery of judicial process.
 regards.,.

----- Original Message -----
From: khadeeja arif <khadeejaarif1 at rediffmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Jamia Millia University should be prosecuted
To: Yousuf <ysaeed7 at yahoo.com>
Cc: reader_list <reader-list at sarai.net>

> I think everyone who believes that Jamia authorities should not 
> speak up for its students or, for that matter,no one should speak 
> or question the state and police version should think for a moment 
> that its each and every indivdual's right to get a chance to put 
> his or her case in the court and should be supported for his or 
> her right unless proven guilty. Mushir Ul Hasan has done what a 
> teacher or a Vice Chancellor of a university should do. I am sure 
> that he is not saying that he supports terrorism. All he is doing 
> is giving legal aid to his students who have been arrested under 
> suspicion. Police claims that the alleged 'terrorists' have 
> confessed their crime. I think its a well known fact that under 
> new law of terrorism confession inside a interrogation room is not 
> considered to be an evidence. And, we have no reason to believe 
> the police blindly when we have examples of S A R Gilani's/ 
> Ifthikar Gilani's case or for that matter fake encounter of 
> Sohrabiddin and fake ecounter cases in Jammu and Kashmir. I am 
> sure none of us support terrorism, but it does not mean that we 
> should beileve everything that the police say! I think we should 
> all wait and see how the Batla house encounter story takes twists 
> and how the next chain of events unfolds. Its seems to be very 
> very complex story and it will be hasty to give any judgment at a 
> time when nobody knows what actually happened. To my mind, only 
> three people know the reality or  the truth(if we are at all 
> looking for it): Atif/Sajid and Mohanchand Sharma. And all three 
> of them are dead. Since dead can not wake up, we shall wait and 
> watch how things unfold and not be hasty in giving the judgment.
> 
> Thanks and regards
> Khadeeja
> 
> 
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 Yousuf wrote :
> >Dear Srirang Jha
> >
> >Your statement: "why an intellectual like Mushirul Hasan would 
> indulge in such a pastime" I think this is precisely the problem 
> here. Most social problems in our midst crop up because the 
> intellectuals don't want to come down to "such pastimes". I think 
> its a great step (although risky) for Mushirul Hasan to take a 
> stand here. He said that as VC he is the guardian of all students, 
> and will help them legally UNTIL PROVED GUILTY. It is very easy 
> otherwise to allow the law to take its own course. Many thousands 
> of accused (depending on state's legal aid) are languishing in our 
> jails, not proven guilty yet. IF these boys are proven guilty, 
> then of course, the end of the story.
> >
> >But besides that, it also very important for Jamia to make a 
> social intervention into its neighbourhood. Would you rather 
> ignore the area and the community and allow more disturbing 
> elements to thrive there, or take a bold risk and try to eliminate 
> them. The terror cannot be eradicated until many 
> elements/institutions of the society (university, local leaders, 
> RWAs, police, NGOs, and activists) don't come together. 
> Unfortunately, so far there is very little trust between all these 
> elements. Moreover, we are also trying to prove that the NGOs and 
> activists are actually the enemies of the state.
> >
> >Only the brutal force of the police can never eradicate terrorism.
> >
> >Yousuf
> >
> >
> >--- On Wed, 9/24/08, srirang jha <jha.srirang at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: srirang jha <jha.srirang at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Jamia Millia University should be 
> prosecuted> > To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net, reader-list at sarai.net
> > > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 9:23 PM
> > > Jamia Millia Islamia is setting a wrong example by providing
> > > legal aid to
> > > the accused in Delhi bomb blast. The University exists for
> > > education and
> > > nothing else. Our constitution provides for legal
> > > assistance to any one who
> > > cannot afford a lawyer. So the students of JMI who are
> > > arrested for their
> > > alleged role in the Blast may get legal assistance from the
> > > Legal Aid Cell
> > > of the Supreme Court of India.
> > > I do not understand why an intellectual like Mushirul Hasan
> > > would indulge in
> > > such a pastime as this. Let the law of the land take its
> > > course.
> > >
> > > Srirang Jha
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:44 PM,
> > > <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Unfortunately, this attitude and action of the
> > > institutions and NGOs which
> > > > makes them communal. It only gives more courage to be
> > > fundamentalists in
> > > > secular society be it for a hindu or a muslim or a
> > > christian, if you have
> > > > support to be fanatic why not. !
> > > >
> > > > Regards.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:55 am
> > > > Subject: [Reader-list] Jamia Millia University should
> > > be prosecuted
> > > > To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > >
> > > > > Jamia Millia University should be
> > > > >
> > > 
> prosecuted<http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/23/jamia-
> > > > > millia-university-should-be-prosecuted/>
> > > > >
> > > > > *The Jamia Millia Islamia University would
> > > provide legal aid to two
> > > > > suspended students who have been arrested by
> > > Delhi Police for being
> > > > > allegedly involved in the serial blasts in the
> > > > >
> > > capital<http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/19/war-
> on-
> > > > > terror-offstumped-salute-to-indias-pride/>.
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > > *"Legal aid would be provided till they are
> > > not found guilty," varsity
> > > > > spokesperson Rakshanda Jaleel on Tuesday said.*
> > > > >
> > > > > Offstumped has unearthed the Jamia Millia Islamia
> > > Act of
> > > > >
> > > 1988<http://education.nic.in/cd50years/x/7H/8M/7H8M0101.htm>
> > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no provision within this act for the
> > > University to
> > > > > provide legal
> > > > > aid to students, period, forget personal or
> > > university related,
> > > > > guilty or
> > > > > not guilty.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its powers are very clear.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please visit the following link for more -
> > > > > Jamia Millia University should be
> > > > >
> > > 
> prosecuted<http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/23/jamia-
> > > > > millia-university-should-be-prosecuted/>
> > > > >
> > > > > PTI reports
> > > > >
> > > > > *The Jamia Millia Islamia University would
> > > provide legal aid to two
> > > > > suspended students who have been arrested by
> > > Delhi Police for being
> > > > > allegedly involved in the serial blasts in the
> > > > >
> > > capital<http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/19/war-
> on-
> > > > > terror-offstumped-salute-to-indias-pride/>.
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > > *"Legal aid would be provided till they are
> > > not found guilty," varsity
> > > > > spokesperson Rakshanda Jaleel on Tuesday said.*
> > > > >
> > > > > Offstumped has unearthed the Jamia Millia Islamia
> > > Act of
> > > > >
> > > 1988<http://education.nic.in/cd50years/x/7H/8M/7H8M0101.htm>
> > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no provision within this act for the
> > > University to
> > > > > provide legal
> > > > > aid to students, period, forget personal or
> > > university related,
> > > > > guilty or
> > > > > not guilty.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its powers are very clear. -
> > > > > Jamia Millia University should be
> > > > >
> > > 
> prosecuted<http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/23/jamia-
> > > > > millia-university-should-be-prosecuted/>
> > > > >
> >
> >
> >
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