[Reader-list] Mainstream Media Questions Delhi Encounter Killings

Thu Sep 25 23:19:47 IST 2008

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On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Shivam,
> An interesting talk going around is the connection between the blasts and
> "Countercurrents" . In this context please visit the site
>
> http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/22/indian-mujahideen-countercurrents-part-2/
>
> Offstumped has uncovered an interesting detail that on July 8th
> 2008<http://keralaletter.blogspot.com/2008/07/hackers-immobilize-countercurrents.html>
> the
> editor of CounterCurrents reported that his site was hacked. Subsequently
> on July 9th 2008 <http://keralaletter.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.html> the
> site came back up.
>
> Now it is important to note that the first Indian Mujahideen e-mail from a
> hacked wi-fi account came on the eve of the Gujarat  Blasts on 26th July
> 2008 and the India TV News email on 31st July. Also note that the Jaipur
> Blasts email was from cyber cafe and not from a hacked wi-fi.
>
> This raises the intriguing question of
>
> Who compromised CounterCurrents on July 8th ?
>
> What investigations did CounterCurrents conduct on this alleged incident of
> hacking and what steps did it take ?
>
> The FIRST PART was here :
>
> http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/20/indian-mujahideen-countercurrents-potential-nexus/
>
>
> Indian Mujahideen & CounterCurrents - Potential
> nexus<http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/20/indian-mujahideen-countercurrents-potential-nexus/>
>
> The famed 5 e-mails from the Indian Mujahideen have been making all the news
> as media and public
> attention<http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/19/war-on-terror-offstumped-salute-to-indias-pride/>
> have
> been turned away from an earlier less reported and even less investigated
> event.
>
> For weeks now Offstumped has been researching in collaboration with others
> the unexplained 6th email which was sent on the 31st July 2008.
>
> This e-mail was sent from the same email id alarbi_gujarat at yahoo.com that
> was used to send the Ahmedabad Blasts email however it was by faking the
> from address using SMTP instead of using the Yahoo web mail account
> directly.
>
> The contents of this email have been sparsely reported in the
> media<http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:IN_ZUXkXNAAJ:www.nerve.in/news:253500150540+%22india+tv%22+bomb+threat&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us>
> and
> have mainly to do with a bomb threat to India TV News.
>
> Now along comes news that the latest e-mail from the Indian Mujahideen has
> text lifted<http://publication.samachar.com/pub_article.php?id=2674271&navname=General%20&moreurl=http://publication.samachar.com/hindustantimes/general/hindustantimes.php&homeurl=http://www.samachar.com>from
> an article on thehoot.org, a delhi based Indian News watchdog (first brought
> toOffstumped's attention by
> Prasanna<http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/18/lay-off-mangalore/#comment-29063>
> ).
>
> Now the news story in the HT on this also alludes to the fact the
> thehoot.org is not a well known site, a fact attested to by this blogger for
> not having heard of thehoot before this. So it stands to reason that the
> lifting of the text may not have happened from thehoot.org
> directly<http://www.thehoot.org/web/home/searchdetail.php?sid=3302&bg=1>
> but
> from other sites that reproduced the original article on thehoot.
>
> Strangely enough less than 20 sites have reproduced this original article
> and first amongst them is
> countercurrents.org<http://www.countercurrents.org/shahina060908.htm>,
> a radical left leaning Communal Socialist rag-tag packed with prominent
> apologists for Islamists like Ram Puniyani, Shabnam Hashmi and others.
>
> Now here comes the clincher, this is where the 6th e-mail is important.
>
> That e-mail did not originate from yahoo instead it originated from a U.S.
> based Internet Hosting Company called DreamHost.com.
>
> *Received: by tejava.dreamhost.com (Postfix, from userid 1473975)** id
> 7ED4D9865C; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:54:28 -0700 (PDT)*
>
> So whats the connection here ?
>
> Well countercurrents.org is hosted on DreamHost as
> well<http://whois.domaintools.com/countercurrents.org>
> .
>
> *CounterCurrents on **Jaipur
> Blasts*<http://www.google.com/search?ned=in&hl=en&ned=in&q=jaipur+blasts+site%3Acountercurrents.org&btnmeta%3Dsearch%3Dsearch=Search+the+Web>
>
> *CounterCurrents on Bangalore
> Blasts<http://www.google.com/search?q=bangalore+blasts+site%3Acountercurrents.org&num=100&hl=en&sa=2>
> *
>
> *CounterCurrents on Ahmedabad
> Blasts<http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&q=ahmedabad+blasts+site%3Acountercurrents.org>
> *
>
> *And finally this once again from Apologists par excellence Ram Puniyani and
> Shabnam <http://www.countercurrents.org/hashmi160908.htm> Hashmi in the
> immideate aftermath of the Delhi Blasts.*
>
> When one adds the fact that CounterCurrents has been issuing Indian
> Mujahideen's most passionate apologies starting from Jaipur Blasts to every
> single incident ever since,
>
> with the fact that one of the emails from the Indian Mujahideen also
> originated from the same hosting site as CounterCurrents,
>
> with the fact that it also prominently carried thehoot article which
> contributed content to the latest e-mail
>
> *it raises damning questions if there exists a nexus between someone at
> CounterCurrents and the Indian Mujahideen ?*
>
> *Offstumped demands that DreamHost.com be asked to verify the source of the
> 6th e-mail and CounterCurrents and its prominent apologists be investigated
> to establish if indeed someone may have been inspiring the Terrorists in
> private<http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/08/17/war-on-terror-investigate-the-apologists/>
> while
> they apologize for them in
> public<http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/05/15/jaipur-blasts-expose-more-useful-idiots-and-still-more-dangerous-consequences/>
> .*
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्
> <mail at shivamvij.com>wrote:
>
>> Mainstream Media Questions Delhi Encounter Killings
>>
>> By L. George
>>
>> 25 September, 2008
>> Countercurrents.org
>> http://www.countercurrents.org/george250908.htm
>>
>> Finally it has happened: the main stream media in India has for the
>> first time come out with something other than the 'official version'
>> of the encounter killings that have taken place in the country.
>>
>> NDTV Report
>>
>> An NDTV report with the headline 'Cover-up charges cling to terror
>> probe' has said that Delhi's latest terror spectre throws up
>> contrasting images. A police officer -- one of the finest -- shot 3
>> times. And, young, educated, fun-loving men who, the police say, are
>> deadly terrorists.
>>
>> The police are convinced that Atif and his young group, most of them
>> in their 20s with the youngest just 17, is responsible for all the
>> major blasts in India this year and the death of nearly 150 people.
>>
>> But now, a group of lawyers and human rights activists are raising
>> questions. They ask who are the two missing men, who escaped from the
>> flat in Batla house on the day of encounter. And how could they
>> possibly escape when the only way out was a narrow staircase and there
>> were several policemen in the area.
>>
>> The other point is that the profiles of these young men seem to
>> indicate terror was the farthest thing in their minds. They were
>> regular college-going students.
>>
>> One of those arrested, Zeeshan, was taking giving his exams on the day
>> of the encounter. He came on TV to surrender. Why didn't he run away?,
>> asks NDTV. The police say they have evidence that he planted the bomb
>> at Delhi's Barakhamba Road.
>>
>> Another alleged Indian Mujahideen (IM) operative Saqib was also
>> arrested. A gold medalist in economics honours from Jamia Millia
>> University, he was a regular on Orkut. He maintained a profile like
>> most users do and had a wide circle of friends.
>>
>> Cops claim the 23-year-old was involved in both Ahmedabad and Delhi
>> blasts. Saqib's family has countered the police claims and furnished
>> documents to show that Saquib appeared for six exams from the 23rd of
>> July to the 28th July -- the time that the police claim he was
>> planning the blasts.
>>
>> Shakib's brother says: "He was the topper in his class for the last two
>> years."
>>
>> The house where the men were staying and its caretaker are also under
>> the scanner. The caretaker, who has worked in the PWD for several
>> years, insists that he gave the details of the men staying at his home
>> to the police almost a month before the blasts.
>>
>> However, the police have now arrested him for forging these documents.
>> His son has also been arrested for alleged nexus with the terrorists.
>>
>> There are several such questions to which there are still no easy
>> answers. And the police know they will have to find hard evidence to
>> back each of their claims. However, they say the death of Inspector
>> Sharma proves there was no fake encounter.
>>
>> Mail Today
>>
>> The Mali Today has also come out with a version raising many questions
>> about the encounter:
>>
>> It says two eyewitnesses of the September 19 cell action at Jamia
>> Nagar have presented a version of the event that is at complete
>> variance with what has been offered by Delhi Police.
>>
>> Their reconstruction of the event, which indicates a scuffle had
>> probably taken place before the shots were fired, many also explain
>> why Jamia Nagar residents are not buying the police theory that the
>> team has either eliminated or arrested the men allegedly behind the
>> bomb blasts in Delhi, Ahmedabad and Jaipur.
>>
>> This version given to MAIL TODAY on the condition of anonymity,
>> squares up with the hitherto unreported autopsy report on Sharma and
>> the nature of wounds on the bodies of the two young men killed by the
>> Special Cell of the Delhi Police. The autopsy report on Sharma, which
>> is with the Headlines Today, says he was shot at from extremely close
>> range, no more than a few centimeters from him. he was hit by three
>> bullets. All of them entered through the back and followed a
>> top-to-down trajectory.
>>
>> The body of one of the 'terrorists' bears injury marks, sharp wounds
>> and multiple internal injuries in the stomach. Doctors say such
>> injuries are usually attributed to a scuffle, a violent physical
>> assault. Someone may even have stamped on him. His flatmate Mohammed
>> Sajid also dead, was apparently shot in the head. Could his death too
>> have occurred during the scuffle?
>>
>> Further, could Inspector Sharma have been injured during the
>> fisticuffs that ensued between the alleged Delhi bombers and the
>> policemen who were raiding supposed terrorist hideouts? Is it possible
>> that he suffered the injuries when a bullet went off accidentally
>> during the scuffle?
>>
>> There is no way to find out the kind of bullet injury that Sharma
>> suffered. No bullets were found on his body during his autopsy. The
>> medical bulletin of Holy family Hospital, where he was taken first,
>> said no "foreign bodies were found in his chest and abdomen.
>>
>> Mail Today took exhaustive eyewitness accounts of the police action on
>> September 19. Eyewitnesses, who live in the immediate vicinity of
>> L-18, Batla House - the alleged IM hideout - said the Special Cell
>> team that raided the scene of action brought two young men to the
>> ground floor from their fourth-floor flat. they had a verbal
>> altercation with the two men and killed them after some of them
>> realised Sharma had been shot.
>>
>> Jamia Nagar residents had been seeing heightened activity by the
>> policemen in civilian clothes for about a week before the police
>> action. Yet, they were taken aback when a group of policemen in
>> civvies surrounded L-18, Batla House, on September 19, for they had
>> not seen any suspicious activity in their building. It is hard to keep
>> secrets in the rabbit warren of apartment blocks in Jamia Nagar.
>>
>> A member of the Special Cell first went up to the fourth-floor flat
>> occupied by Atif and Sajid, pretending to be a cellphone salesman. the
>> young men inside the flat did not receive the undercover policeman
>> cordially. They entered into an argument with sub-inspector
>> Ddharmender, who was pretending to be the salesman.
>>
>> All this took place in front of the neighbours who had come out onto
>> the balconies of their flats on hearing the commotion. Reacting
>> immediately when the arguments started, the policemen waiting
>> downstairs rushed up.
>>
>> None of them had their guns out. Clearly, they were not expecting any
>> armed resistance. One of the men, whom the eyewitnesses were able to
>> identify after seeing his images on television, Sharma.
>>
>> Speaking from behind a grill that covers the fourth-floor staircase at
>> L-18, Sharma yelled at all the neighbours who had come out of their
>> houses to go indoors because they could get hurt in the "firing".
>> Residents of the area followed his instructions. But the eyewitnesses,
>> being quoted by the Mail Today, watched the goings-on from behind
>> their toilet windows.
>>
>> They saw only two men in the flat. that leaves the man who was
>> arrested from the spot, Mohammed Saif, and the two men who reportedly
>> escaped during the police action unaccounted for.
>>
>> They saw Sharma's men drag Atif and Sajid to the ground floor landing.
>> The two men, who were subsequently killed, appeared to be in panic and
>> unarmed at the time. No one could see what happened thereafter as the
>> partly covered ground floor landing was not in their line of vision.
>>
>> The eyewitness could hear the policemen hurling abuses at the two
>> youngmen. This was followed by gunshots. Then someone shouted, "Sahab
>> ko goli lag gayi (the boss has been shot)." The young men could not be
>> hard in this commotion. After sometime, the eyewitnesses hear more
>> gunshots. The policemen came into the view of our eyewitnesses. They
>> were dragging the bodies of two men upstairs.
>>
>> Around the same time, they saw sub-inspector Dharmender, and another
>> policeman leading Sharma out of the building. The eyewitness couldn't
>> figure out the extent of Sharma's injury from what they saw.
>>
>> The bodies of two youngmen, meanwhile, were dragged up to their flat
>> by the policemen. Then they wrapped the bodies with cloth.
>>
>> According to the eyewitnesses, after the two bodies were taken away
>> and piled into a police van, a group of policemen materialised out of
>> the blue with three young men they had rounded up, seemingly from
>> within the L-18 flats. They were unable to make out where the men came
>> from. One of them, it appears now, was Mohammed Saif. He is now in the
>> police custody.
>>
>> The reconstruction by the eyewitnesses posed some questions. Why did
>> two young men, and their alleged accomplices, not flee the scene or
>> clean up their laptops even after everyone in the neighbourhood was
>> aware of the heightened police presence in the area?
>>
>> Why did the policemen not have their guns out when they rushed up to
>> the flat after the argument broke out between sub-inspector Dharmender
>> and the two men?
>>
>> Was Sharma shot at by the alleged terrorists or was he a victim of
>> collateral damage because he happened to be in the range of a
>> ricocheting bullet?
>>
>> 'Multiple masterminds'
>>
>>
>> We are also forced to take a new look at the announcements made by the
>> Police.
>>
>>
>> After killing the two youths Atif and Sajjid in Delhi, the special
>> police cell chief Karnal Singh claimed that they were the masterminds
>> behind the bombings of Uttar Pradesh courts (23 November, 2007),
>> Jaipur bombings (13 May, 2008), Ahmedabad bombings (26 July, 2008),
>> and Delhi bombings (13 September, 2008).
>>
>> He also claimed that they were behind the Varanassi bombings of 2006
>> and Gorakhpur bombings of 2007. If what the Delhi police claim is
>> true, what about the alleged mastermind that the Gujarat police
>> arrested in connection with Ahmedabad bombings, Abu Basher?
>>
>> Gujarat Police claimed that he was the master mind of all these bombings.
>>
>> On September 24th, Mumbai Police have also arrested new 'masterminds'
>> of all these blasts. Rajastan Police had arrested a cyber cafe owner,
>> Shahbas Hussain. They also claim that he was the mastermind of the
>> Jaipur blasts. Whom should we believe?
>>
>>
>> In the light of these revelations and views people in India and around
>> the world may adopt a new stand: not to swallow the official versions
>> as such.
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