[Reader-list] Jamia Millia University should be prosecuted

inder salim indersalim at gmail.com
Sat Sep 27 09:01:06 IST 2008 

well said,   "we want to deliberately create that distance to make
meaning?  "   Dear Nazo

certailly,the image in front of our eyes is illusion, beret of that
madness which created it in the first palce.. i am not only talking
about a photograph, but about the various derived meanings which
resemble an image

.what we get ?  we are certainly struggling to make some sense of what
we see, feel, her  and even touch.

anything becomes a backgroound, in a situation. of image or otherwise.
what violence is happening in the background is struggling for a
language, which is perhaps not there.  It might be discovering one
only when someting replaces its own background.   There is deep flux
going on between this background-foreground of reality.   I am
personally wondering if we could ever get a right picture of ' what it
is' . since background instantly lapses into silence, without those
essential codes which occupy the meaning.

we certainly create meaning of  a history only when we distance
ourselves from it. otherwise there is no way we can talk ' the
hysteria of history' .... this is the paradox, which often keep us
busy,  chasing the other, so distortions, wittingly or unwittingly.
the saner thing appears, here, is that we need to emancipate ourselves
from time to time, keep ourselves open to doubt. this is perhaps, too
much to demand, since people want instant results, both  in their
private and public life. But we know how changes occur, sometimes
nothing seems to change. particularly when the word ' revolution'  is
passe.

you have rightly said that social reality is coded, but how much
quantum of the coded reality gets its ' time ' to occupy the sapce for
a meaning.   ( i am perhaps vague ) . the impermenance of whites,
blacks  and blues in the sky  makes it all time grey.
but then perhaps, we need a contrast to realise our own beings, our
identities, genders so that background ( greys ) are not talked about,
 literally a grey is colour a coded shade too. an illusion again. but
something is more rapid than eye which thinks it catches full.


in another post, i was thinking about a 10000 year old histroy to
begin with, where we can certainly make this grey more visible. but
since we have  to talk and talk , so we need codes which are available
to us from our recent history only. so 1947 is coded in that sense,
but since we have moved far ahead of 1947 it strangely becomes a
background reality. the pain of it atleast. even the recent delhi bomb
blasts become coded realities, but much happens always than we can
talk about

love
is






On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Nazneen Anand Shamsi
<nazoshmasi at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Dear Inder,
>
> Thank you for a wonderful post. It made me think. Wasn't codes always a part
> of our reality? I don't see any harm in that. What makes me wonder is this
> whole background/foreground dichotomy. I think to see a picture as an image
> composed of backgrounds and foregrounds is to engage in an exercise in self
> delusion.
>
> Are there any backgrounds or foregrounds in a two dimensional frame. Or is
> it that we want to deliberately create that distance to make meaning? Would
> it be wrong to say that a picture is only composed of backgrounds etched in
> time and as we move along we call, for the sake of convenience, some of
> those backgrounds foregrounds? Or that every foreground was a background
> first, till we re-frame our perspective? Is 1947 really the background or is
> it a foreground, we are revisiting as in a state of deja vu?
>
> The social world will always unfold in front our eyes and will always seem
> like a code, for we will never know what it was. We will always try to
> interpret it. Grasp it. Clinch it. Manipulate it. There are no blacks or
> whites, only shades of gray. Constantly changing its color like those dense
> over cast clouds on a windy day. Which shade of gray that cloud will take
> depends only on the wind.
>
> I do not know whether the Jamia incident can become a national issue, for I
> truly believe that public memory is short. Between September and may,
> between winter and summer, a lot may happen. Lets hope and keep hoping that
> it happens for the best.
>
> Warm regards
>
> Nazo
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:29 PM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Nazo
>>
>> you have a point, it is now very intersting.  thanks for very good
>> reflections...
>>
>> yes, where ever there is  free health care , people tend to consume
>> more medicine. .... yet another paradox.
>>
>> it was not just another case of an arrest where student was arrested
>> say on charges of rape etc. but the situation is quite political here.
>>  i still see 1947 kind of reality. I still see kings and princes
>> around, in that sense, i feel there were always prime ministers and
>> elections.
>>
>> i quote ronald barthi , The stadium is always coded, the punctum is
>> not. He is talking about photographs, where the backgroud is almost
>> insignficant,  thus giving a mysterious presence to the figures in the
>> foreground. I am just learning myself, here, to understand if we can
>> talk about the background reality of the muslims.   Li ving on yumana
>> pushta, i once asked a man what is your name, he politely replied,
>> mein to musalmaan hoon ( i am just a muslim ) . so the issue of
>> minority comes to the fore, the whole cane or worms begin to swarm the
>> surface which was meant for words, words which hold the meaning....
>>
>>  The media, the red and white scarf around the faces of the arrested
>> students, the muslim terrorism, the  necessary and un)necessary roles
>> played by police, the shaheed police officer, and the opposite side of
>> the muslims fundamentalsim: RSS Parivar, Everything is coded, and we
>> readiilyy see green as muslim and orange as Hindu and so on...
>>
>> But here, the punctum is the large background of human mass, who are
>> suspicious... ........ the term ' jamia, which was not a major
>> foreground part of the image till recently is begining to become
>> coded, Thus its VC  who happens to be a muslim. Everhing is becoming
>> like a stadium.
>>
>> the palyers are playing the game. But there is unpridicatable nautre
>> of game,, a strange dynamics in the audience, hapening all the time,
>> outside the stadium too, beyond the hills too, beyond terrotiers too.
>> the air and sun mixed with history is such that the background happens
>> withoiut a representation, and thus a mysterioius, and unpridictable.
>>
>> The entry of HRD in all of this has again added a code to the existing
>> codes. That was inevitable, because the stadium  was bigger than it
>> looked before.
>> NOt surprising , the jamia issue can become a national issue for anti
>> BJP campaing, who tried their best to catapult Amanath Land issue into
>> national election issue......, and thus all kinds of distortions.  One
>> of the distortion is :  creating legal cell, but how to see that not
>> happening, given the nature of coded presence, which is too
>> overwhelming.  we are caught in the laybrinth of paradoxes, i quote
>> Focualt
>>
>> The background is what sometimes, looks more deeper than the the obvious.
>>
>> love
>> is
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Nazneen Anand Shamsi
>> <nazoshmasi at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Radhikarajen, Dear Iram, Dear all
>> >
>> > This is exactly what I was fearing. One incident happens in a localized
>> > setting, and people want to set up an institution to 'deal' with it.
>> > Creating one more category to trap a section of the society which is
>> > already
>> > struggling with other categories. This is far more alienating. I would
>> > not
>> > be surprised, that given the timing of this benign act, some people on
>> > this
>> > list would be extremely happy, for their wishes were answered. But the
>> > larger fallout, in this case would be, that other communities would
>> > begin to
>> > ask for such institutions as well. Which in turn would do more harm than
>> > good to vulnerable sections of society. I would expect the members of
>> > the
>> > state to act with more impunity, in cases to come, for now they can
>> > always
>> > say to members of minority community, yes we are doing this but you may
>> > go
>> > to this institution and register your protest. This is exactly what
>> > happened
>> > in East Germany, which allowed Statsi to harass people at will as they
>> > have
>> > compensatory institutions at place.
>> >
>> > I find this act by HRD Minister deeply anguishing. This is not called
>> > for at
>> > all. I register my protest in the setting up of this legal cell in the
>> > strongest possible manner.
>> >
>> > Best
>> >
>> > Nazo
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 12:30 PM, <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> STOP PRESS
>> >>
>> >>   expect the vily old fox to encash the votes, Shri, Arjun Singh, HRD
>> >> minister visited the VC of Jamia Milia University to extend all help to
>> >> all
>> >> terror accused, now Bhajrang dal also can expect all help for the
>> >> activities
>> >> from HRD minister. A special legal cell has been constituted to
>> >> encourage
>> >> obstruction of judicial proceedings with reputed  "criminal" lawyers
>> >> and the
>> >> panel will be headed by R K Anand, legal illuninary who can obstruct
>> >> all
>> >> proceedings for the right fee, able assisted by minister of Law, H R
>> >> Bharadwaj, who was instrumental in obstruction of impeachment of a
>> >> judge in
>> >> Parliament, Mr. Jce. Ramaswamy. Mr. Kapil Sibal will be this time
>> >> arguing
>> >> both i and out of parliament for the legal aid cell. ( In impeachment
>> >> proceedings being non member of parliament, Mr. sibal had argued at the
>> >> entrance of the hall of parliament.)
>> >>
>> >> All the universities will be provided budgetary allocations on caste,
>> >> faith
>> >> based estimates with funds to extend legal aid., the minister assured,
>> >> and
>> >> particular care will be taken of the faith based terrorists and all
>> >> help
>> >> will be extended to improve law and order and the accused can have all
>> >> the
>> >> help from various minstries also like railway passes for going to the
>> >> courts, subsidised fertisiser, ammonium nitrate for the needy.
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: iram ghufran <iram_ghufran at yahoo.co.in>
>> >> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:48 pm
>> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Jamia Millia University should be prosecuted
>> >> To: reader-list at sarai.net
>> >>
>> >> > Apologies for x posting but this is a response by Sudhanva
>> >> > Deshpande to a similar email I sent on the MCRC alumni  group...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----
>> >> > From: Sudhanva Deshpande <sudu26 at yahoo.co.uk>
>> >> > To: mcrc_jamia_alumni at yahoogroups.com
>> >> > Sent: Friday, 26 September, 2008 1:04:38 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [mcrc_jamia_alumni] Jamia Millia University should be
>> >> > prosecuted
>> >> >
>> >> > dear iram (and others),
>> >> >
>> >> > just one more point, which i forgot to mention earlier. prof
>> >> > hasan's stand needs to be contrasted to the stand taken a couple
>> >> > of years ago by the VC of baroda university, when bajrang dal
>> >> > goons targetted the arts dept. one student, chandramohan, and the
>> >> > dean, shivji panikkar, were the victims of the hindu right, and
>> >> > the VC, far from defending the student or dean, simply went along
>> >> > with this victimisation. that's what i mean by the line of least
>> >> > offence. the dangers of such a line are evident: it can destroy
>> >> > careers, departments, or even threaten lives.
>> >> >
>> >> > the challenge, then, is to create a larger sense of 'community'
>> >> > and 'engagement' where students, faculty and staff of a university
>> >> > are encouraged to participate in larger alliances that encompass
>> >> > not only their sectional interests (as students/faculty/ staff)
>> >> > but go beyond the university, to the neighbourhood, the city, and
>> >> > even beyond.
>> >> >
>> >> > cheers,
>> >> >
>> >> > sudhanva
>> >> >
>> >> > * * * * *
>> >> > Sudhanva Deshpande
>> >> > LeftWord, 12 Rajendra Prasad Road, New Delhi 110001
>> >> > Phones: 2335 9456, 2335 6966 (office), 2526 4822
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----
>> >> > From: Sudhanva Deshpande <sudu26 at yahoo. co.uk>
>> >> > To: mcrc_jamia_alumni@ yahoogroups. com
>> >> > Sent: Friday, 26 September, 2008 11:33:59
>> >> > Subject: Re: [mcrc_jamia_ alumni] Jamia Millia University should
>> >> > be prosecuted
>> >> >
>> >> > dear iram,
>> >> >
>> >> > thanks for your post. you have raised very important points. i'd
>> >> > like to respond to some of them.
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. the VC is well within his rights to promise legal aid. he has
>> >> > clarified that he will not use UGC funds, but the monies raised
>> >> > internally by the univ, through fees etc. this is neither
>> >> > unprecedented nor irregular. there are scores of such instances
>> >> > across the world. the hindu today has a good editorial on this,
>> >> > especially on the legal aspects.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2. you are right in saying that a student from manipur has as much
>> >> > claim to JMI as a student from zakir nagar. at any point that a
>> >> > manipuri student faces prosecution, one should use the current
>> >> > instance to mount pressure on the university to provide similar
>> >> > legal aid to the concerned student. in other words, one has to
>> >> > work towards expanding the university's sense of responsibility
>> >> > towards its students, rather than constricting it.
>> >> >
>> >> > 3. you are also right in asking the obvious question: what if the
>> >> > student/s are found guilty? the answer is obvious too: they must
>> >> > be punished according to the law of the land. but what is the law
>> >> > of the land, and how is that to be used to determine guilt as well
>> >> > as the quantum of punishment? these are not black and white, given
>> >> > entities. vigorous defence of the accused is aimed at ensuring
>> >> > that there is no miscarriage of justice -- for instance, that
>> >> > people who are not guilty are punished, or a guilty person is
>> >> > meted punishment that is not in consonance with the guilt. anyone
>> >> > who has even a passing acquaintance with the way indian courts
>> >> > work, will know that both are very real possibilities. some
>> >> > sections are convinced that this is a fake encounter. frankly, i
>> >> > prefer to remain a sceptic on this question. one has seen too many
>> >> > police theories being blown to bits, not to mention staged
>> >> > encounters and suchlike. on the other hand, the blasts were not
>> >> > imaginary and someone carried them out.
>> >> >
>> >> > 4. however, if they are proved guilty, that does not tarnish the
>> >> > entire university just as much as it does not tarnish the entire
>> >> > community. it is precisely such easy association that the hindu
>> >> > right, for instance, wishes to establish, and which has to be
>> >> > contested.
>> >> > 5. while JMI is a national university and belongs to all of india,
>> >> > it is also located physically in a certain city, and in a certain
>> >> > area within that city. this dialectic -- national identity, local
>> >> > presence -- is something all institutions have to negotiate. i
>> >> > used to teach at the national institute of design in ahmedabad,
>> >> > and one of the points of critique many of us had with the
>> >> > institution was that it did very little to engage with the city
>> >> > and the locality of paldi where it is located. in times of stress,
>> >> > as during the dec 92 riots, when we were holed up in curfew for
>> >> > nearly a month, this lack of engagement became painfully evident.
>> >> >
>> >> > 6. while this instance should be used as a precedence to enlarge
>> >> > the university's sense of responsibility towards its students,
>> >> > this does not, and must not mean that we should expect or argue
>> >> > for the university providing legal aid to every student facing any
>> >> > kind of prosecution. if suppose sanjiv nanda (or whatever the BMW
>> >> > guy's name is) were a student of JMI, there would be absolutely no
>> >> > justification for the university to provide him with legal aid. at
>> >> > the same time, if, say, a poor dalit student is the victim of
>> >> > casteist violence, she must be provided all legal (and other) help by
>> >> > the university. in other words, all such cases, in my view,
>> >> > require sensitivity to context and circumstance. it is not, and
>> >> > cannot be, a simple application of a rule. it requires the
>> >> > university, in particular the VC, to exercise discretion.
>> >> >
>> >> > for sure, such decisions are never easy to take, and it is always
>> >> > convinient for those in authority to take the line of least
>> >> > offence. for once, a university administration has acted boldly
>> >> > and sensitively. for having done so, the VC is now also the target
>> >> > of attack from the hindu right. i think he needs to be defended in
>> >> > these circumstances -- even if we might have questions or doubts
>> >> > about this or that aspect of his decision. i am sure you will not
>> >> > see my defence of the VC's action as a defence of one individual,
>> >> > but rather of a larger principle.
>> >> >
>> >> > cheers,
>> >> >
>> >> > sudhanva
>> >> >
>> >> > * * * * *
>> >> > Sudhanva Deshpande
>> >> > LeftWord, 12 Rajendra Prasad Road, New Delhi 110001
>> >> > Phones: 2335 9456, 2335 6966 (office), 2526 4822
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----
>> >> > From: iram ghufran <iram_ghufran@ yahoo.co. in>
>> >> > To: mcrc_jamia_alumni@ yahoogroups. com
>> >> > Cc: iram.ghufran@ gmail.com
>> >> > Sent: Friday, 26 September, 2008 2:13:48
>> >> > Subject: Re: [mcrc_jamia_ alumni] Jamia Millia University should
>> >> > be prosecuted
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear Yousuf, all
>> >> >
>> >> > This mail has been sent on various forums (with slight variation).
>> >> > So please excuse the x posting.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have been trying to understand my discomfort with the University
>> >> > decision to provide legal aid to its students - Mohammad Shakeel
>> >> > and Zia-ur -Rehman, arrested on charges of terrorist and anti
>> >> > national activities. Below are some thoughts - formed and
>> >> > tentative but let me begin with a question - Who else benefits
>> >> > from this 'show of support' (besides the two boys)?
>> >> >
>> >> > And before I go further, let me say very categorically that like
>> >> > many others on this forum and elsewhere, I believe there needs to
>> >> > be a judicial inquiry in the Batla House encounter, attempts
>> >> > should be made to ensure that the students do not remain in police
>> >> > custody longer than necessary and that pressure should be built to
>> >> > ensure that they are treated with dignity in police custody.
>> >> >
>> >> > Let me raise another question along the lines of the first: What
>> >> > choices did Mushirul Hasan, Vice Chancellor of Jamia Millia
>> >> > Islamia have in terms of 'show of support' to his students?
>> >> >
>> >> > In his address to the student body and later at a press
>> >> > conference, Mushirul Hasan, VC of Jamia Millia Islamia stated that
>> >> > the University would provide legal aid to the arrested students,
>> >> > from the Student Welfare Fund. I feel that the Vice Chancellor,
>> >> > should not have promised this. He can provide legal aid in a
>> >> > personal capacity, as part of a citizens collective but NOT as
>> >> > Vice Chancellor ON BEHALF of the University.
>> >> >
>> >> > Before I go into my reasons for saying this, let me add that my
>> >> > argument is based on the premise that the term 'legal aid' implies
>> >> > monetary help to fund a court case - specially for people who
>> >> > would otherwise not have a fair legal representation.
>> >> >
>> >> > The VC cited an earlier incident when armed policemen forcibly
>> >> > entered the SRK boys hostel, beat up and took in custody many
>> >> > students. He is using this as a precedent for Jamia to support the
>> >> > two students on issue under discussion. For a PUCL report on the
>> >> > previos episode, see - http://www.pucl. org/reports/ Delhi/delhi-
>> >> > jamia.htmThe aforementioned incident happened on campus. The
>> >> > students were mistreated within the University compound, under the
>> >> > 'guardianship' of the VC, the Proctor, the Registrar, and the
>> >> > hostel Warden. The University administration, responsible for the
>> >> > welfare of the students residing on campus was unable to prevent
>> >> > this unfair police action.
>> >> >
>> >> > The Butla House encounter and arrests are a different issue. Here
>> >> > the charges on the students have nothing to do with their academic
>> >> > life (they allegedly did not blow up the chemistry lab in a failed
>> >> > experiment), nor their non- academic university life (they did not
>> >> > injure spectators in a inter university football championship) .
>> >> > They were certainly not representing Jamia Millia Islamia or the
>> >> > University ideals of universal brotherhood, peace and secularism
>> >> > in the act that they have been accused of committing (falsely or
>> >> > not). I am not sure if the University is responsible for student
>> >> > activities outside the campus...
>> >> >
>> >> > My question is that if for example, the University has two
>> >> > thousand students on its rolls, and even two percent of them get
>> >> > involved in some form of litigation, will Jamia Millia be willing
>> >> > to support 40 cases a year - cases that may drag on, beyond the
>> >> > academic term of the enrolled student? Will the University provide
>> >> > 'legal aid' to students accused of other 'anti State', 'anti
>> >> > national' activities (such as aiding militants in the north East,
>> >> > Kashmir, maoists in Orissa, Chattisgarh) ?
>> >> >
>> >> > If a University believes itself to be the guardian of its students
>> >> > and in that capacity provides legal aid, then there have to be
>> >> > norms laid down - Which cases will get primacy? Who will decide
>> >> > which particular student should be legally supported and which
>> >> > student should be left to his or her own devices? The University
>> >> > also has to take into account the thousands of other students and
>> >> > its responsibility to them. By making Jamia Millia Islamia, an
>> >> > interested party in this 'case', the VC has dragged not only the
>> >> > University, faculty, staff, students into this unfortunate series
>> >> > of events but has put at stake the Universitys reputation. Does
>> >> > the VC have a plan of action, in case the arrested students are
>> >> > implicated on charges of terrorism? Will the logic of 'innocent
>> >> > until proven guilty' help the rest of the students adjust to a
>> >> > world that will see them as 'supporters' of 'terrorists' . It will
>> >> > 'not be the end of the story' but perhaps the beginning of  a
>> >> > more gruesome one. Even if one of these students is sentenced to
>> >> > even one year of jail for aiding/ abetting an anti national act,
>> >> > it is not just an individual who will lose face, it is not a team
>> >> > of lawyers, activists, supports who will lose face, it will be the
>> >> > institution which lays claim to being the 'liberal' face of the
>> >> > Indian muslim. Has the VC calculated the implications of this?
>> >> >
>> >> > I feel that an autonomous body (perhaps with University support -
>> >> > Jamia, JNU and DU) should be set up - that provides legal aid and
>> >> > counseling to students. The Universities can provide financial
>> >> > support to such a body, the students can contribute and raise
>> >> > independent funding. This is a tentative proposition which has had
>> >> > precedent in various forms of Committees for Defense for people
>> >> > accused of 'crimes' against the 'State'.
>> >> >
>> >> > I understand that a strong political statement was the need of the
>> >> > hour. But was a commitment to legal aid the only option? Still
>> >> > thinking...
>> >> > Warm regards
>> >> > Iram
>> >> >
>> >> > PS: Regarding the Jamia neighbourhood, the VC stated that the boys
>> >> > are being supported because they are students of Jamia Millia and
>> >> > not because they are residents of a particular area. Jamia is a
>> >> > central university and students from all over the country and
>> >> > abroad are enrolled here. A student from Manipur (with her
>> >> > concerns regarding AFSPA) has as much claim to Jamia as a student
>> >> > from Zakir Nagar (with her concerns regarding representation of
>> >> > her community). I dont feel comfortable with linking the
>> >> > 'destinies' of the neighbourhood (with Zakir Nagar, Batla House,
>> >> > Joga Bai, Shaheen Bagh, Hari Kothi, and more of Okhla) with the
>> >> > University (with UP, Bihar, Assam, Orissa, Kazakhastan, Iran etc).
>> >> > Yousuf, I share your concerns about the neighbourhood in all its
>> >> > complexities (migration, land mafia, media misrepresentation) but
>> >> > somehow I dont understand why Jamia is treated like a 'mohalle ka
>> >> > University'. I'm still trying to gather my thoughts on this and
>> >> > perhaps we could discuss them at a later stage.
>> >> >
>> >> > ============ ========= ========= =
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----
>> >> > From: Yousuf <ysaeed7 at yahoo. com>
>> >> > To: radhikarajen@ vsnl.net; reader-list@ sarai.net; srirang jha
>> >> > <jha.srirang@ gmail.com>
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, 24 September, 2008 9:48:10 PM
>> >> > Subject: [mcrc_jamia_ alumni] Re: [Reader-list] Jamia Millia
>> >> > University should be prosecuted
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear Srirang Jha
>> >> >
>> >> > Your statement: "why an intellectual like Mushirul Hasan would
>> >> > indulge in such a pastime" I think this is precisely the problem
>> >> > here. Most social problems in our midst crop up because the
>> >> > intellectuals don't want to come down to "such pastimes". I think
>> >> > its a great step (although risky) for Mushirul Hasan to take a
>> >> > stand here. He said that as VC he is the guardian of all students,
>> >> > and will help them legally UNTIL PROVED GUILTY. It is very easy
>> >> > otherwise to allow the law to take its own course. Many thousands
>> >> > of accused (depending on state's legal aid) are languishing in our
>> >> > jails, not proven guilty yet. IF these boys are proven guilty,
>> >> > then of course, the end of the story.
>> >> >
>> >> > But besides that, it also very important for Jamia to make a
>> >> > social intervention into its neighbourhood. Would you rather
>> >> > ignore the area and the community and allow more disturbing
>> >> > elements to thrive there, or take a bold risk and try to eliminate
>> >> > them. The terror cannot be eradicated until many
>> >> > elements/institutio ns of the society (university, local leaders,
>> >> > RWAs, police, NGOs, and activists) don't come together.
>> >> > Unfortunately, so far there is very little trust between all these
>> >> > elements. Moreover, we are also trying to prove that the NGOs and
>> >> > activists are actually the enemies of the state.
>> >> >
>> >> > Only the brutal force of the police can never eradicate terrorism.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yousuf
>> >> >
>> >> > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, srirang jha <jha.srirang@ gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > From: srirang jha <jha.srirang@ gmail.com>
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Jamia Millia University should be
>> >> > prosecuted> To: radhikarajen@ vsnl.net, reader-list@ sarai.net
>> >> > > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 9:23 PM
>> >> > > Jamia Millia Islamia is setting a wrong example by providing
>> >> > > legal aid to
>> >> > > the accused in Delhi bomb blast. The University exists for
>> >> > > education and
>> >> > > nothing else. Our constitution provides for legal
>> >> > > assistance to any one who
>> >> > > cannot afford a lawyer. So the students of JMI who are
>> >> > > arrested for their
>> >> > > alleged role in the Blast may get legal assistance from the
>> >> > > Legal Aid Cell
>> >> > > of the Supreme Court of India.
>> >> > > I do not understand why an intellectual like Mushirul Hasan
>> >> > > would indulge in
>> >> > > such a pastime as this. Let the law of the land take its
>> >> > > course.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Srirang Jha
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:44 PM,
>> >> > > <radhikarajen@ vsnl.net> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Unfortunately, this attitude and action of the
>> >> > > institutions and NGOs which
>> >> > > > makes them communal. It only gives more courage to be
>> >> > > fundamentalists in
>> >> > > > secular society be it for a hindu or a muslim or a
>> >> > > christian, if you have
>> >> > > > support to be fanatic why not. !
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Regards.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > > From: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj@ gmail.com>
>> >> > > > Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:55 am
>> >> > > > Subject: [Reader-list] Jamia Millia University should
>> >> > > be prosecuted
>> >> > > > To: sarai list <reader-list@ sarai.net>
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > Jamia Millia University should be
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > prosecuted<http://offstumped. nationalinterest .in/2008/
>> >> > 09/23/jamia-
>> >> > > > > millia-university- should-be- prosecuted/ >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > *The Jamia Millia Islamia University would
>> >> > > provide legal aid to two
>> >> > > > > suspended students who have been arrested by
>> >> > > Delhi Police for being
>> >> > > > > allegedly involved in the serial blasts in the
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > capital<http://offstumped. nationalinterest .in/2008/ 09/19/war-
>> >> > on-
>> >> > > > > terror-offstumped- salute-to- indias-pride/ >.
>> >> > > > > *
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > **
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > *"Legal aid would be provided till they are
>> >> > > not found guilty," varsity
>> >> > > > > spokesperson Rakshanda Jaleel on Tuesday said.*
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Offstumped has unearthed the Jamia Millia Islamia
>> >> > > Act of
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > 1988<http://education. nic.in/cd50years /x/7H/8M/ 7H8M0101. htm>
>> >> > > > > .
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > There is no provision within this act for the
>> >> > > University to
>> >> > > > > provide legal
>> >> > > > > aid to students, period, forget personal or
>> >> > > university related,
>> >> > > > > guilty or
>> >> > > > > not guilty.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Its powers are very clear.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Please visit the following link for more -
>> >> > > > > Jamia Millia University should be
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > prosecuted<http://offstumped. nationalinterest .in/2008/
>> >> > 09/23/jamia-
>> >> > > > > millia-university- should-be- prosecuted/ >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > PTI reports
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > *The Jamia Millia Islamia University would
>> >> > > provide legal aid to two
>> >> > > > > suspended students who have been arrested by
>> >> > > Delhi Police for being
>> >> > > > > allegedly involved in the serial blasts in the
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > capital<http://offstumped. nationalinterest .in/2008/ 09/19/war-
>> >> > on-
>> >> > > > > terror-offstumped- salute-to- indias-pride/ >.
>> >> > > > > *
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > **
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > *"Legal aid would be provided till they are
>> >> > > not found guilty," varsity
>> >> > > > > spokesperson Rakshanda Jaleel on Tuesday said.*
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Offstumped has unearthed the Jamia Millia Islamia
>> >> > > Act of
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > 1988<http://education. nic.in/cd50years /x/7H/8M/ 7H8M0101. htm>
>> >> > > > > .
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > There is no provision within this act for the
>> >> > > University to
>> >> > > > > provide legal
>> >> > > > > aid to students, period, forget personal or
>> >> > > university related,
>> >> > > > > guilty or
>> >> > > > > not guilty.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Its powers are very clear. -
>> >> > > > > Jamia Millia University should be
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > prosecuted<http://offstumped. nationalinterest .in/2008/
>> >> > 09/23/jamia-
>> >> > > > > millia-university- should-be- prosecuted/ >
>> >> > > > >
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