[Reader-list] What Was Written in "Satyadarshini" Pamphlet
Aditya Raj Kaul
kauladityaraj at gmail.com
Sat Sep 27 15:19:21 IST 2008
Inder Salim ji,
Considering your age and some knowledge of Kashmir, I didn't expect at
least such a pathetic and immature response from your end.
I just quoted some references from historical texts; which you may have
ignored for reasons best known to you. At no point did I push you to agree
with me or my point; it was plain history which I quoted. In response to it;
your e-mail doesn't substantiate on anything.
I don't and shouldn't bother about your personal remarks. You have from very
long spreading disinformation among people who don't know much about
Kashmir. Unfortunate.
I never said Buhur's are not Kashmiri Pandits. Please stop being sick.
Read History, that will help you refresh a bit. Grow up and leave the
appeasement mindset.
You have been claiming from last so many e-mails that Buhur's and KP's don't
have weddings among each other. Why don't you start this remarkable step for
your personal satisfaction from your own home ? Sounds Fantastic. Isn't it ?
P.S. - Your response is in fit of anger and has less or almost no hostorical
basis. Kindly educate yourself. Read my previous e-mail again and the two
books that I've mentioned. It will only help you.
Love
Aditya Raj Kaul
On 9/27/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Kaul sahib,
>
>
> Now, about Buhur as you mentioned rightly. Their origin is not certain.
> Though Buhur's consider themselves to be the true specimen of Kashmiri
> Pandits belonging to Malmasi division. Pandit Anand Koul in "The Kashmiri
> Pandit" calls them by the name of Lejbhatta.
>
>
> the above para is from your own response. This is what Hitler too
> might have said about non-Aryan race in Germany.
>
> " their origin is not certain, they belong to this division or that "
> Watch your observation. What do you mean by true specimen, it is
> very sad that you dont consider Buhur as a true kashmiri pandits. "
> MalMasi" perhaps it means outsiders in comparison to ' Banmasi' who
> are indigenous. And, here interstingly, outsiders mean those hindus
> who have come to kashmir from India. That means you consider Hindus
> from India inferior to Kashmiri Pandits. Is it so ?
>
> again Pandit Anand Kaul ( KAUL ) writes, as you quote him that these
> are LejBhattas. ( those who cook in earthenwares, or those who
> returned back to Pandit fold after a brief conversion to Islam )
> Sad. That you still beleive LejBhatta, which is almost a slang .
>
> You must know why Buhurs used their surnames as TICKOO. You must know
> that the surnames in kashmir play a vital role, as in any other
> society. Kashmiri pandits in general dont approve a marraige between
> Buhurs and Kauls,etc.
>
> Surprising, those pandits who perform religous rituals ( Bhahmins )
> are also considered LOW in comparison to Kauls etc. there again no
> marriages happen between Kauls and them.
>
>
> One should not be ashamed of what has happened in the past, but one
> should restore human dignity of the other.... it begins with self
> introspection, which is thought...
>
> so think, why you dont want to to speak about these fact as they are.
> you will feel free, just have some courage.
>
> again, those Kashmiri muslims who clean toilets and repair shoes have
> their own shrines and mosques in their vicinity where they live.
> so for examples, again there are no inter-marriages happening between
> them and the rest....
>
> Dont we had a Buhur mohalla in Bijbehara, in srinagar as well...
> yes, they dont have sepearate shrines and deities, and they consider
> themselves as Kashmiri Pandits, but you dont, Pity
>
> love
> is
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:10 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul
>
> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Shri Inder Salim,
> >
> > The courage with which you spread mis-information astonishes me; but we
> have
> > always had such people who want to malign their own community, sometimes
> for
> > pleasure and at times without even a reason to such unfortunate rare
> > behaviour. Maybe, Psychologists would help you find a one time solution
> to
> > it.
> >
> > I'm no master in history; not even on Kashmir; but I sure have some basic
> > knowledge from my family, elders and even a few books that I've read;
> that I
> > can share with you; to gets your facts right. I'm happy that there still
> > exist historical texts which can guide you to truth. Kindly forget your
> > appeasement state of mind; when you study history especially on Kashmir.
> >
> > Since, you started this debate by raising the issue of surnames and
> > allegedly claimed that there have been discriminatory mindset attached to
> > it, let me begin helping you understand your own surname.
> >
> > 'TIKOO' - It is said to have originated from the 'Trika'. The members of
> > this family were special devotees of the godess 'Tripura'. Fauq has given
> > one more explanation stating that an ancestor of this family adopted a
> > non-Brahman boy who was deemed to have become a Brahman by a Tika (a
> sacred
> > mark on the forehead of a Brahman). He and his descendants were later
> > nicknamed as Tiku.
> > The use of surnames in ancient Kashmir is negligible, present Kashmiri
> > surnames, have more or less evolved during the Muslim and Sikh rule. It
> is
> > stated that almost all the Kashmiri Pandits were Kaul's and they were
> later
> > on subdivided according to different nicknames and with the passage of
> time,
> > these nicknames became permanent surnames. There seems to be some truth
> in
> > this statement primarily because all the Kashmiri Pandits are Shaivites
> and
> > Mahakoul is one of the names of Lord Shiva, and secondly because the
> number
> > of nicknames even now attached with the surname Kaul is largest of all.
> >
> > Prof. R.K. Kaul in his book "Sociology of Names and Nicknames of India"
> with
> > special reference to Kashmir, that, "Moreover, in recent years the use of
> > nicknames is being progressively discarded and the surname Koul is being
> > adopted more than any other surname by almost all such people.
> >
> > Now, about Buhur as you mentioned rightly. Their origin is not certain.
> > Though Buhur's consider themselves to be the true specimen of Kashmiri
> > Pandits belonging to Malmasi division. Pandit Anand Koul in "The Kashmiri
> > Pandit" calls them by the name of Lejbhatta.
> >
> > And, Let me clarify that I've all respect for you as a Kashmiri and as
> well
> > as an elder; but I said "Laanath" and still stand with it firmly because
> you
> > always try to ignore history, truth and have been always ignorant of your
> > surname. Also, your e-mail reflects your unfortunate thinking, which is
> > actually disastrous.
> >
> > Again, your claim about Hari Parbat; is truely based on falsehood. You
> > yourself are from Trika; the originator; how can you even speak of such
> > discrimination. Stop making fun of yourself atleast.
> >
> > I'm and will always remain a proud Kashmiri Pandit. And, for you I only
> have
> > sympathies. I never asked you about your observations on me. You may
> kindly
> > keep those words with you. I would be happy if you utilise that time in
> > reading history and framing the right opinion and not spread unwanted
> > hatred. There was and will remain no discrimination among Kashmiri
> Pandits
> >
> > Kashmiri Pandits have always been peace loving and have educated the
> world;
> > don't degrade our community by such petty things.
> >
> > Hope you ponder over a bit about the above and read history; instead of
> > going along with the wind of rumours.
> >
> > Love
> > Aditya Raj Kaul
> >
> >
> > On 9/24/08, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Mr. Kaul sahib
> >> it takes some courage to speak the truth.
> >>
> >> 1. what about Boohir, are they kashmiri pandits or not ? are they equal
> ?
> >>
> >> 2 are marriages taking place between upper ( caste ) Kashmri Pandits
> >> and those kashmiri pandits who are either KANDOOR (Bakers) or SICHT
> >> (tailors)?
> >>
> >> 3 it is a true that Tickoos used to sit behind Dhars and Kauls at
> >> Hari parbhat. may be you dont know, so confirm .
> >>
> >> Besides that have you ever witnessed a kashmiri pandit cleaning a
> >> street, cleaning toilets, repairing shoes. Why are they all from
> >> muslims cpmmunity?
> >>
> >> How do you think that these jobs should be reserved only for Muslims
> >> in kashmir. You are a proud kashmiri pandit, right, but what about
> >> these facts, have guts to answer.
> >>
> >> yes, when you say ' lanath ' it actually means that you are an
> >> arrogant, a fit case to follow a parveen Tagodia type of politician,
> >> You have future ahead, which is unfortunate for cherished secular
> >> values of india. This is my observation about you after watching your
> >> reflections on the List.
> >>
> >> but i consider you still my younger brother, so i wont say 'lanth' to
> >> you, to none.
> >>
> >> love
> >> is
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Aditya Raj Kaul
> >> <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Inder Salim,
> >> >
> >> > You forgot that the Kashmiri Pandit community is 100% litter ate, so
> stop
> >> > talking like illiterates. There is no cast ism in Kashmiri Pandits.
> >> >
> >> > You should be ashamed of yourself Inder. You don't even use Tickoo.
> >> > "Aath che wanan laanath". Stop spreading disinformation.
> >> >
> >> > Readers here know clearly; who has political ambitions and is trying
> to
> >> > appease a particular community.
> >> >
> >> > Inder always has a problem with a Hindu.
> >> >
> >> > God Be with you.
> >> >
> >> > Aditya Raj Kaul
> >> >
> >> > On 9/24/08, chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> You ended the mail with the word 'love' and hence I would love to
> take
> >> this
> >> >> discussion ahead...
> >> >>
> >> >> Let me put in blunt way:
> >> >> Birth of Jesus is under doubt, as Dead Sea Scrolls have revealed
> >> existence
> >> >> of old testament much before Jesus. The time mentioned for Jesus
> birth
> >> >> actually takes him in B.C... And moreover, the Kul Devta of Greece
> even
> >> >> today is 'Isus Chrisn' and not Jesus Christ.. What is meant by
> X-Mas...
> >> no
> >> >> body knows.. then, what is meant by October, November and December..
> >> meaning
> >> >> is not known.. but Oct is Eight (but October is 10th month), Nav is 9
> >> (but
> >> >> November is 11th month), Dec or Dus is 10th month (but December is
> 12th
> >> >> month)... but X denotes 10 and 'Mas' means month.. thus X-Mas is 10th
> >> Month
> >> >> that is December... and hence X-Mas is celebrated in December... Part
> of
> >> >> December nearly always lies in the 10th month of Hindu Calendar..
> >> >> Further.. what is meant by 'Isus' .. no one knows.. it is derived
> from
> >> >> Hindi word Ishwar... and Christ is reformed shape of Chrisn...
> >> >> As world has always produced good and bad minds, some Mr. Paul, who
> had
> >> >> himself shown huge cruelty, created this mischeif.. and maligned
> Chrisn
> >> Nity
> >> >> to Christianity....
> >> >> One should believe this, otherwise as I raised questions, all the
> words
> >> >> become meaningless... and with acceptance of this interpretation,
> >> everything
> >> >> suddenly becomes meaningful..
> >> >>
> >> >> Next came Muhammad.. there is no doubt on his birth and death...
> there
> >> is
> >> >> no controversy also.. But his life is also full of controversy... bad
> >> and
> >> >> good... Unfortunately what he and his followers prepared as texts for
> >> the
> >> >> world is creating instability for humanity... the whole world is now
> >> moving
> >> >> towards killing... Muslims kill.. Hindus retaliate and also kill...
> this
> >> has
> >> >> become the practice...
> >> >> Unfortunately Muslims do not know that they are also worshiping Idols
> at
> >> >> Qiblah... as there are hundreds of Idols broken down and hidden
> inside
> >> the
> >> >> black stone..
> >> >>
> >> >> The difference is as simple as positive and negative -
> >> >> Muslims worship idols behind the wall, Hindus worship them before the
> >> wall
> >> >> Muslims worship wall like structure of stone, Hindus worship
> beautifully
> >> >> carved structure of stone
> >> >> Muslims want their Masjids to be blunt without beauty, HIndus want
> them
> >> to
> >> >> be beautifully decorated with creative carvings representing the
> >> creation of
> >> >> GOD. but both require this temple place..
> >> >> Muslims worship in the boundary of time anywhere, HIndus worship
> >> timelessly
> >> >> anytime their heart allows them at any place in any direction...
> >> >>
> >> >> My question is:
> >> >> If worship is the necessity, why is the world fighting on it then...
> Do
> >> >> Muslims and Christians want to say that Hindus do not worship.. If
> they
> >> do
> >> >> not - who is more peaceful and stable..
> >> >> Ah. .. again a discussion will start....
> >> >>
> >> >> Let this thread no more attack Hindus for their way of
> worship.... Let
> >> >> anyone who is talking secular must include Islam and Christianity
> also
> >> in
> >> >> their scope of attack...
> >> >>
> >> >> love
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> >> From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
> >> >> To: reader-list at sarai.net
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:32:23 AM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] What Was Written in "Satyadarshini"
> Pamphlet
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear Chanchal,
> >> >>
> >> >> let us ignore, Aditya Raj Kaul, who has clear political ambition to
> >> >> talk so lowly regarding issues which are profound and funny at times.
> >> >> There are some Kauls who believe Tickoos are low caste in comparison
> >> >> to Dhars , Kauls or Razdans... which amuses me to no end. Let us not
> >> >> forget that caste system exists in Kashmiri Pandit community, on this
> >> >> pretext or that. You know perhaps, but he will himself come out and
> >> >> speak, just wait...
> >> >>
> >> >> But i am talking to you. For me it is always funny to talk about
> >> >> religion. Imagine, the first artist who visualized Ganesha. This is
> >> >> simple problem of proportion for an artist as and when she/he starts
> >> >> to drawi the figure on a surface. The moment you place an Elephant's
> >> >> Head on Human body, it looks disproportional and unaesthetic, so
> the
> >> >> pot belly. It amuses me, that how this figure becomes the most sacred
> >> >> composition, when there are thousand other surreal images in Hindu
> >> >> iconography, It is very normal for Hindu believers to see sexuality
> >> >> as part of their belief systems. How can we separate Krishan from
> his
> >> >> Gopis, how can remove surgically a Ligum from Yoni which represents
> >> >> Male and Female fertility...
> >> >>
> >> >> there are one million MF Hussains, much better than HUssains,
> >> >> already exiting in Hindu iconography, I dont see there is a need to
> >> >> compare that with Judo-Christian-Islamic iconography. That is
> >> >> entirely different. In Hinduism , discourse on sexuality can happen
> >> >> within the system of beleif, without guilt, which is not the case
> with
> >> >> the later. There has to a Freud, distinctly far away from a
> synagogue
> >> >> or a church to speak on sexuality and its relevance in society.
> >> >> Have not Arabs written about sexuality, or done research on chemicals
> >> >> and mathematics. Decorative art can come only from such a society.
> >> >> And i see amazing decorative art in Islamic iconography, which is not
> >> >> only sensual but highly aesthetic at the same time. And what about
> >> >> Sufis. Ghazal means to talk to a woman, which clearly indicates that
> >> >> there is an endless desire to talk about sexuality. And besides that
> >> >> there are most interesting paintings which have happened in different
> >> >> ages under different rulers. But if fanatics demolish them or burn
> >> >> them, it does not mean that nothing has happened, and nothing is
> >> >> happenning in islamic world .
> >> >>
> >> >> All we need to is to strengthen the moderate voices within Islam, but
> >> >> if we keep on comparing this with that in a narrower sense, we will
> >> >> get nothing but 'hurt'
> >> >>
> >> >> Both the ends of world have come out with their own ways of living,
> >> >> and that is it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here, what surprises me is the fact that Hussain drawing were
> >> >> criticzed by Muslims Fundamentalist and Danish cartoon were equally
> >> >> criticized by Hindu right wingers.
> >> >>
> >> >> That is why we need to be careful to see what they both are doing.
> >> >> I know some Chruchs indulge in this kind of publication, to tease
> >> >> the Hindu mind, but if Hindus see it as a virtue in their system of
> >> >> of belief, the Hindu Religion, then it wont nurture hate in their
> >> >> hearts. But we listen to a Parveen Tagodia, a would be parveen ,
> >> >> here, named as Aditya Raj and even Bal Thakery , And in Mumbai where
> >> >> there was no one left to listen to their 'Bakwas', they began to
> drive
> >> >> North Indians our of Maharashtra.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> love
> >> >> is
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:48 AM, chanchal malviya
> >> >> <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Your metaphors are not objectionable Mr Inder... And Hindus will
> not
> >> get
> >> >> > angry if it is brought into discussion... Hindus get angry when
> these
> >> >> things
> >> >> > are highlighted against them and used to break them from their
> faith..
> >> >> > By the way one question: Why don't your metaphor include some
> stories
> >> of
> >> >> > Muhammad as well?
> >> >> > If you could do this, as we and the whole world already know many,
> >> your
> >> >> > metaphor would sound secular... else it appears that your metaphor
> >> again
> >> >> is
> >> >> > meant to pin-point any other Religion than Islam...
> >> >> > Please modify your metaphor and it would be a healthy discussion...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> >> > From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
> >> >> > To: reader-list at sarai.net
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:14:25 PM
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] What Was Written in "Satyadarshini"
> >> Pamphlet
> >> >> >
> >> >> > thanks pawan ji for forwarding the pamphlet contents....
> >> >> >
> >> >> > for me these are metaphors, only half educated person will take
> these
> >> >> > details of these characters as real. The illiterate and poor Hindus
> of
> >> >> > India are simple believers. People who know how to manipulate
> these
> >> >> > simple folks are concerned with their personal gains, just their
> axe
> >> >> > to grind.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Metaphors:- for example, Veda Vyasa of Mahabarata was grand
> father
> >> >> > of both warring factions of the final great war. The epic is such
> that
> >> >> > if we dont remember who is legitimate and who is illegitimate , the
> >> >> > war itself becomes meaningless. So, the moment we realize there is
> >> >> > nothing called legitimate or illegitimate we resolve the conflict,
> >> >> > which was fought fo good against bad.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hindu epics are in fact full of such fantastic ways of coming to
> life.
> >> >> > Everybody knows. For example Ganesha was created by Paravati from
> the
> >> >> > dirt of her own body, even when Lord Shiva, her husband was not
> >> >> > around.. But this will never enrage the Hindu mind, because Parvati
> is
> >> >> > Shakti and she is fully equipped to bring anything to life on her
> own.
> >> >> > It is quite similar to Jesus coming to life from Mary surrounded by
> >> >> > domestic animals only, No fuss. But if someone will point out
> that
> >> >> > Rama's father was believer of polygamy, it might look offensive to
> >> >> > some of Hindus. It all depends who is saying and who is listening.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A prostitute is a woman like any other respectable woman, like an
> >> >> > illegitimate child, who is as respectable as any other child.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am conscious about the fact that you will demand to speak freely
> on
> >> >> > other religious characters as well, but that might be not be easy
> >> >> > because some of the believers blend history and faith too
> intensely.
> >> >> > I see no gain in that, but that becomes a dangerous zone to enter,
> >> >> > unless one has a deep creative urge to take the bull by horns.
> choice
> >> >> > is yours.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Efforts by some fanatic hindus to mix fantasy of the epics with
> >> >> > temporality will bear no fruits in the end. India has a deep
> >> >> > past...good to feel.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > with love
> >> >> > is
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Shivam Vij शिवम् विज्
> >> >> > <mail at shivamvij.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> I think it is not enough to merely condemn "both acts" and thus
> >> equate
> >> >> >> them.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I think what is required is the rule of law - the writers of this
> >> >> >> pamphlet may be charged with the laws against spreading communal
> >> >> >> disharmony; indeed someone could have gone to court, arguing for a
> >> ban
> >> >> >> on the public distribution of such pamphlets. The writers and
> >> >> >> publishers could have defended the charge or pleaded guilty. The
> >> court
> >> >> >> could have decided the issue according to the law of the land laid
> >> >> >> down by the Constitution of India.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Instead, the "offended" parties chose to take the law in their own
> >> >> >> hands, and deserve to be tried in a court of law irrespective of
> what
> >> >> >> the provocation was. Whether or not you and I condemn either or
> both
> >> >> >> acts is irrelevant. It is important that the law take its own
> course,
> >> >> >> be allowed to take its own course, that those guilty of violating
> the
> >> >> >> law be brought to book. It is this process of justice delivery
> that
> >> we
> >> >> >> must all demand, not just mere issuance of condemnations. Bringing
> >> the
> >> >> >> guilty to book would also send out a message to all kinds of
> fanatics
> >> >> >> that India is not a Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Sikh or Buddhist
> >> >> >> country. It is a democratic, secular republic.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> best
> >> >> >> shivam
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Pawan Durani <
> >> pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>> The pamphlet which caused attacks on churches had the following
> >> >> contents.
> >> >> >>> Personally i condemn both what was written on the pamphlet as
> well
> >> as
> >> >> >>> attacks on the churches, as that is not what is the answer to a
> >> >> nonsense
> >> >> >>> in
> >> >> >>> a educated society.
> >> >> >>> However the people who incited this through distribution of
> >> pamphlets
> >> >> >>> need
> >> >> >>> to be condemned , for being the reason to cause all
> >> >> >>> this unpleasant situation
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> ************************************************************************************************************************************************************
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Abuse No. 1: Urvashi – the daughter of Narayana– is a prostitute.
> >> >> >>> Vashitha
> >> >> >>> is the son of this prostitute. He in turn married his own
> >> >> Mother. Such
> >> >> >>> a
> >> >> >>> degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> *buse no. 2: Wh**en Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of
> >> hell,
> >> >> how
> >> >> >>> can he enlighten others? Since **Krishna** himself is a shady
> >> >> >>> character,
> >> >> >>> there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page
> 50)*
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Abuse no. 3: t was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since
> Brahma,
> >> >> >>> Vishnu
> >> >> >>> and Shiva were themselves the victims of lust, it is a sin to
> >> consider
> >> >> >>> them
> >> >> >>> as Gods. (page 39)
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Abuse No. 4: When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and
> Shiva)
> >> >> are
> >> >> >>> consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others. Their
> >> >> >>> projection
> >> >> >>> as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> buse No.5: Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately
> did
> >> so.
> >> >> >>> How
> >> >> >>> can such a "evil brahma" be a Creator of this Universe? How is
> it
> >> >> >>> possible
> >> >> >>> for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be
> >> gods?
> >> >> >>> (page
> >> >> >>> 39)
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> *Abuse No. 6: God, please liberate the sinful people of **India**
> >> who
> >> >> are
> >> >> >>> worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit
> >> >> >>> 'Vyabichari' relationships. (Page 39).*
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