[Reader-list] Communism and Terrorism: Are They Complimentary

Javed javedmasoo at gmail.com
Sat Sep 27 16:06:27 IST 2008 

Pawan
When you send a link or forward with a title such as "are terrorism,
communism complimentary" to this list, you know very well that this is
going to provoke people here. So you have to ready to face a reaction.
Either you say that you don't agree with this article, but you are
still forwarding it here to generate a debate. Or don't forward at
all.

I was simply trying to see to who all fits into this definition of
terrorism - the article doesn't specifically talk about Islam - it
simply compares terrorism with communism. And I think saffron terror
is as terrible as Islamic terror. I personally don't connect them to
communism at all - to me your forwarded essay is rather stupid. So I
was only adding to its stupidity by connecting it to Bajrang Dal.

peace

JM



On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> Javed,
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>
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> I hope you do understand that when I paste a link and the article with it,
> it takes you to a web site and its author. To put it simply the article is
> not mine and I was just sharing an interesting article with the group. I may
> or may not myself agree with the article.
>
>
>
> Your bringing in Bajrang Dal etc in this article speaks volumes of your
> obsession to compare it with anything, relevant or not.
>
>
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> Please think well before you sent a condemnatory note to either me or group.
> It should make sense.
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> If you do not agree , post your response to the concerned website or its
> author  else you may have a general discussion. With a group.
>
>
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> God Bless
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Pawan Durrani
>> I went through all your definitions of terrorism, and there is no
>> definition which should not be applied to the activities of Bajrang
>> Dal and allies in Orissa, Karnataka, and earlier in Gujarat. Did
>> Bajrang Dal has its origins in USSR?
>>
>> Your offstumped should now say that Bajrang Dal was also started from
>> countercurrents and thehoot.org
>>
>> JM
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > http://faithcommons.org/communism_and_terrorism_are_they_complimentary
>> >
>> > Communism and Terrorism: Are They Complimentary?  : Prof Dr Colonel
>> > (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao
>> >
>> > The world has witnessed and is still witnessing the horrors of Communism
>> > and
>> > is at present in the grip of terrorism too. In fact terrorism is age old
>> > and
>> > existed in all centuries and in all parts of the world in some form or
>> > other. Terrorism in the modern sense is
>> > violence<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence> or
>> > other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians for
>> > political
>> > or other ideological goals. Most definitions of
>> > terrorism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism>
>> > include
>> > only those acts which are intended to create fear or "terror", are
>> > perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and
>> > deliberately target or disregard the safety of
>> > non-combatants<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-combatants>
>> > .
>> >
>> > Many definitions also include only acts of
>> > unlawful<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful> violence.
>> > As a form of unconventional
>> > warfare<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconventional_warfare>,
>> > terrorism is sometimes used when attempting to force political change by
>> > convincing a government or population to agree to demands to avoid
>> > future
>> > harm or fear of harm, destabilizing an existing government, motivating a
>> > disgruntled population <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residents> to join
>> > an
>> > uprising <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebellion>, escalating a conflict
>> > in
>> > the hopes of disrupting the status
>> > quo<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo>,
>> > expressing a grievance, or drawing attention to a cause (1).
>> >
>> > According to Walter Laqueur of the Center for Strategic and
>> > International
>> >
>> > Studies<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Strategic_and_International_Studies>,
>> > "*the only general characteristic of terrorism generally agreed upon is
>> > that
>> > terrorism involves violence and the threat of violence."*
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Terrorism revolves around following:
>> >
>> >   1.
>> >
>> >   *Political purpose,*
>> >   2.
>> >
>> >   *Disguise*
>> >   3.
>> >
>> >   *Psychological impact*
>> >   4.
>> >
>> >   *Violence*
>> >   5.
>> >
>> >   *Wanton killings*
>> >
>> > Most of the terrorist acts are the results of political unhappiness,
>> > frustrations and are aimed at achieving some desired changes,
>> > destabilization and drawing attention too. These acts are conducted when
>> > the
>> > aggrieved party has no strength, militarily and financially and can not
>> > take
>> > up open hostilities. The acts are conducted to create panic and fear and
>> > psychological impact in the minds of people and the government too.
>> > Invariably Terrorists do not identify themselves as military men. Many
>> > acts
>> > are done in the garb of civilians. Repress ional acts by armed forces of
>> > a
>> > country go unnoticed and are not dubbed s terrorism. Mass murders of
>> > Jews in
>> > concentration camps by Nazi Army are not considered as Terrorism. Thus
>> > the
>> > real definition of terrorism eludes. Lankan Tigers of Tamil Elam (LTTE)
>> > is
>> > waging guerilla war for liberation from Srilanka. Their operations can
>> > be
>> > viewed as acts of Terrorism akin to Palestine conflict while their
>> > sympathizers consider them freedom fighters that are waging war of
>> > liberation. LTTE killed Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi at Madras by
>> > engineering a suicide bomb as revenge for interfering in their struggle
>> > by
>> > sending peace keeping force that got involved in fighting. Suicide
>> > bombers
>> > are clad in civilian attire, mix with general public and blow themselves
>> > as
>> > planned causing panic and deaths of innocents around. In all acts of
>> > terrorism violence is essential. Without violence the acts have no
>> > impact.
>> > Invariably a small numbers of terrorists hold large groups of people of
>> > various nations to a ransom by their unlawful acts.
>> >
>> > Does communism has something to do with terrorism and linked to it? Yes,
>> > there is no doubt about it. Communism is based on totalitarian rule and
>> > forced identification of its people with the will of the State which has
>> > Marxist ideology (2). It is the dictatorship of proletariat. Civil
>> > liberties
>> > and fundamental rights are very greatly curtailed; rather do not exist
>> > in
>> > real sense*. Communist States believe in the philosophy of
>> > destabilization
>> > and undermining of democratic societies based on capitalist or mixed
>> > economies* (3) (4). Communism is the bitterest enemy of the capitalist
>> > societies. Communism thus aims at transforming the world to their line
>> > of
>> > thought and philosophy. A communist society can not be established by
>> > peaceful means and it aims at violence, mass uprising resulting in mass
>> > murders and elimination of landed class. Terrorism as practiced by the
>> > present Islamic Wahabi School is too aiming to impose its thoughts on
>> > the
>> > other societies in the world. In this context Osama Bin Lindens recent
>> > recorded tape is an example in which the terrorist leader exhorted all
>> > Americans to embrace Islam if they have to escape from the terrorism and
>> > persecution by Laden and his thugs. This is the blackmailing the
>> > Americans
>> > with ideology of Islam and terrorizing by the wanton and senseless acts
>> > of
>> > destruction, mayhem and murder.
>> >
>> > Communists enforce their ideology within their states of influence by
>> > the
>> > use of military force and threat of detention; fear of execution,
>> > intimidation, imprisonment, harassment and by terror. The law is
>> > enforced by
>> > vigorous pursuit of judicial process (apology for judicial process) and
>> > summary trials. The process is not comparable to that prevailing in
>> > democratic societies where it is long drawn, laborious and frustrating
>> > too.
>> > People's will is bull dozed under the might of state power. Killings at
>> > Tienmien square in China during Cultural Revolution in sixties of last
>> > century is the proof for the state sponsored terror on own citizens.
>> > Stalin
>> > ruled USSR by terrorizing its people. He eliminated his opponents and
>> > critics ( 5).
>> >
>> > India and Nepal are the live examples to be quoted for communist
>> > sponsored
>> > terrorism. Communist party of India (CPI) was established in India after
>> > Bolshevik revolution in Russia during last century and was allowed to
>> > continue after India gained independence. The stalwarts of independence
>> > movement like Jawaharlal Nehru, the first Prime minister of India and
>> > others
>> > were obsessed with socialist form of society and rubbed shoulders with
>> > USSR.
>> > There was no question of banning Communist party in India. The fun is
>> > that
>> > in Pakistan its next door Communists have no place.CPI had good hold in
>> > the
>> > Telangana region of former Hyderabad princely state under Mir Osman Ali
>> > Khan
>> > Bahadur ( Brave) Fateh jung ( Victor of battles), Nizam ul mulk Asif Jah
>> > 7,
>> > the seventh ruler of Asifjahi dynasty. CPI launched armed struggle in
>> > the
>> > State at the closing years of the state and murdered several land lords
>> > and
>> > took up to terrorist actions. Once India gained independence, the Nizam
>> > chose to be independent. His government committed grave atrocities on
>> > Hindu
>> > population in the State duly abetted by the Razakar (Volunteer) Armed
>> > force
>> > under the leadership of self styled Field Marshal Kasim Razvi of Majlis
>> > Ittehad ul Muslimeen party (MIM). Countless Hindus were killed and women
>> > were raped while children were butchered as the government looked upon.
>> > The
>> > king became a puppet in the hands of Kasim Razvi who was amply supported
>> > by
>> > Deen yar Jung, the chief of state police.
>> >
>> > Having no options, India after several warnings to Nizam conducted
>> > Military
>> > action (Infact called police action) against the State. Forces of Indian
>> > union along with armor invaded Hyderabad State from four directions and
>> > after brief resistance, Nizam surrendered on 18 Sept 1948. Several
>> > Razakars
>> > were killed in action along with State forces. Military government was
>> > established in Hyderabad under Major General Chaudhray and this
>> > government
>> > crushed the Communist cadres subsequently and established law and order
>> > in
>> > the state. At last CPI withdrew its agitation and took part in first
>> > General
>> > elections held in 1950 (6). Consequently, CPI split on ideological
>> > grounds
>> > into Communist party Marxist (CPM) and Communist Party Marxist and
>> > Leninist
>> > (CPI (ML)). In West Bengal State at Naxalbari, Communists again rose in
>> > revolt in 1968 and committed many crimes including mass killings and
>> > destruction of property and terrorist acts. The Armed communists again
>> > took
>> > up to terrorist activities and killings of land lords and destruction of
>> > property in the agency areas of Parvateepuram in sri kakulam District of
>> > Andhra Pradesh during 1969 and this was crushed ruthlessly by the State
>> > government ( 7). The terrorist activities are still continuing in the
>> > state
>> > of Andhra Pradesh by the communists armed cadres and this activity has
>> > spread to the newly formed northern state Jahrkhand and Bihar too. It
>> > also
>> > has strong base in Orissa and Eastern Maharashtra States. The armed
>> > cadres
>> > of Communists are now called Maoists and they have made a link from
>> > Andhra
>> > Pradesh to Nepal along the Eastern corridor of Andhra Pradesh. Maoists
>> > have
>> > committed many terrorist acts in Jahrkhand by blowing up Police teams,
>> > convoys, police stations and committing mass murders of innocent
>> > civilians
>> > in the villages. The State property is destroyed such as telephone
>> > exchanges, railway stations and post offices. Some have also looted
>> > banks.
>> > Thus it is seen that in India in certain States Maoists are active and
>> > are
>> > resorting to violence, killings of police officers and leaders from
>> > village
>> > level to the members of legislature and even ministers. They want to
>> > create
>> > panic, fear and terror in the minds of people and in the government.
>> > Maoists
>> > are clinging to the outdated Maoist philosophy of Power flowing through
>> > barrel of a gun. They also resort to killings of their own informers,
>> > suspected spies and betrayers. They are no different from terrorists.
>> > They
>> > claim political cause. Resort to violence, destruction of government
>> > property, indiscriminate killings, bombings and even suicide squads
>> > which
>> > are the basic actions of terrorists world wide (8) ( 9) (10).
>> >
>> > In Nepal, Maoists made headway and paralyzed the government. It
>> > succeeded in
>> > coming to some terms with the other parties and formed a government.
>> > Nepal
>> > being a very small country with little resources, Maoists could create
>> > havoc
>> > in the country. Their terrorist actions were successful although they
>> > claim
>> > it as a liberation movement from the feudal princely rule. Thus we see
>> > that
>> > Communism believes in terrorism to achieve its ends although they claim
>> > their actions as Guerilla warfare. There is a very thin line between
>> > Guerilla war and terrorism and this line in fact has disappeared in the
>> > modern days. Thus communists and terrorists can be considered
>> > complimentary
>> > in many aspects of consideration..
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bibliography
>> >
>> > *1. Terrorism, Wikepedia*, *
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism#Official_definitions*
>> >
>> > 2. Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao, *Fascism and Communism*, *
>> > www.faithcommons.org*, January 31, 2007, 09:04
>> >
>> > 3. Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao, *Leninism** and Marxism
>> > not
>> > yet dead. *New Swatantra Times, Hyderabad, India, Volume V, No.11, Oct
>> > 1992,
>> > PP 24-25. ,
>> >
>> > 4. Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao, Can* militancy succeed in
>> > India?* New Swatantra times, Hyderabad, India, Volume VII, No 10, Oct
>> > 1994,
>> > PP 23-24
>> >
>> > 5. *Joseph Stalin, Historic figures*,
>> > http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:JzojhtNbYTEJ:www.bbc.co.uk
>> >
>> > /history/historic_figures/stalin_joseph.shtml+joseph+Stalin&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=in
>> >
>> > 6. Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao, *Pressures and prospects
>> > of
>> > communism in democratic India*, Ph D thesis in Political science, The
>> > International University, Independence, USA, 1988, PP
>> >
>> > 7. Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao, *Militants should join the
>> > main stream*, New Swatantra Times, Hyderabad, India, VolXI, No 1, Nov
>> > 1998,
>> > PP12and 15
>> >
>> > 8 Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao*. It is time the Naxalites*
>> > and
>> > Govt turn to negotiating tables*, New Swatantra Times, Hyderabad, India,
>> > VolXIII, No 1, Jan 2002, PP 37-38
>> >
>> > 9 Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao, *Resume talks with
>> > Naxals**,
>> > New Swatantra Times, Hyderabad, India, Vol XIV, No 11, Nov 2003, PP
>> > 32-33
>> >
>> > 10. Prof Dr Colonel (Retired) K Prabhakar Rao*. Should the Naxalites* be
>> > banned? *New Swatantra Times, Hyderabad, India, Vol VII, No 2, June
>> > 1995, PP
>> > 32-33
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