[Reader-list] Jamia Millia University should be prosecuted

[inder salim]

 sorry, a little typing error copped in the opening line of second para.
it should be

if we dont keep a check on ourselves, then we can become a part of the
later ( the perpetartors ) since everybody is a victim in their own
ways.






On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:14 AM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Nazo,
> thanks for a wonderful response. Death is...
>
> Dear Lalit,
> See, what you are talking about is the recent history, where death to
> other has become the tool to achieve a quick result. But it was always
> like that.  Which part of histroy has not used this ' death to other'
> to achieve their objectives. So there are victims and perpetrators
>
> If we keep check on ourselves, then we can become a part of the later,
> as there is no choice to the former. The debate needs to intensify
> that at every turn of thought the victims need to be careful about
> their demand of justice.  Otherwise there is a chian of violence.
> That is again a subjective demand, you can differ, but one thing which
> gives us universal sense of forgiveness is that the second part of
> death, which is beyond 'I'.
>
> OUr living is partially celebrated by a ' death within' which perhaps
> helps us to proliferate ' thought' and 'questioning' . If there was
> only first kind of death i.e. of 'I' then these all complexities wont
> have been there. We  might not have discovered these tools of writing
> even, We communicate through codes which have a death within. Dont we
> communicate through words which betray meaning often. Why are there so
> many meanings in each word. What is a metaphor, if not a lie?
>
> So, whatever is happening in kashmir, and your mention of use of
> colour and your aversion of Azadi-bare-islam is in fact open to
> debate, from our point of view.  There are people who will resist all
> this but, as we have seen in American economy, how it collapses under
> its way of over confidence. The ways of life will wipe it out, i am
> sure, because life has inbuilt system to retain that feeling of
> complexity which is death. Deluze saw human beings revisiting that
> phenomenon through art. All people have their ways of doing Art, and
> hence life, complexities, and death.
>
> it is indeed a big subject, so i request, please dont arrive at a
> conclusion what i mean, because everything is emerging, even i am
> learning
>
> as we  know to philsophize means to learn to die. so let us keep on
> talking, as some philospher said, that when we are falling in abyss
> all we can do is talking.
>
> falling into abyss is in fact that, mingling of life and death, that
> dance, history is perhaps part of that,
> i have  different smile on my face, which i want to share,  so...
> love
> is
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Lalit Ambardar
> <lalitambardar at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Inder & Dear Nazo,
>>
>> That was quiet intense. Thought provoking & too close to life.
>>
>> Talking about colours, Dear Inder, what about that green that was splashed
>> in the streets of Srinagar recently & that white of the shrouds that
>> Islamist zealots wore brandishing  kalashnikovs when they paraded in the
>> streets in Kashmir 19 years ago ranting 'e zalimo e kafiro Kashmir hamara
>> schod do' & 'yahan kya chalega- nizame Mustafa' directed at the then
>> beleaguered Hindu Pandits.
>>
>> Life, death & the mask of course have become just the tools. Who actually
>> die is immaterial , but how many have, becomes an issue - a tool.
>> You should hear that  author of 'azadi- bara- e- Islam' in that  propaganda
>> stuff 'J -e -A' where in  he quiet brazenly  justifies death quoting holy
>> scriptures, of the credulous Kashmiri masses in encounters with the security
>> forces as martyrdom while he himself availed of the services of a state
>> owned aircraft to have him airlifted from a Ranchi jail to Mumbai for
>> treatment. He continues to be on 'sick, leave' from the jail since
>> then while the number of the dead masses in the jihad at his behest  keeps
>> increasing day by day............
>>
>> And that other 'used' & 'abandoned' by his 'foreign masters' terror
>> commander also a protagonist ( & possibly a promoter as well)of that
>> propaganda stuff J -e -A(who also turns into a Gandhian to appease the
>> compulsive peaceniks when  in Delhi ) who lead so many young into the death
>> trap gets himself treated abroad & so lives on .
>> Regards
>> LA
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:57:50 +0100
>>> From: nazoshmasi at googlemail.com
>>> To: indersalim at gmail.com
>>> CC: reader-list at sarai.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Jamia Millia University should be prosecuted
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Nazneen Anand Shamsi <
>>> nazoshmasi at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Inder,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your mail. It was a pleasure to read all those quotes
>>> inter meshed with your thoughts. The foreground/background dialectic
>>> again!
>>> I often think about death in relation to time and memory. As we grow older
>>> we are burdened with the memory of times gone by. Yet when we are living a
>>> moment we are so unaware of the weight we are producing for ourselves. We
>>> do
>>> things because we want to. Yet that want seems so hollow after a while.
>>> Bereft of any meaning. Devoid of any essence. We want to move on. Change
>>> with times. Time of course, is experiential. I think about the intensity
>>> of
>>> the present which consumes all other moments. The one which has just gone
>>> by
>>> and the one which is yet to come.
>>>
>>> Why is it that there is no memory of immediate present? We remember time
>>> only through events. In this respect that quote from Socrates seems so
>>> apt,
>>> ' my face is merging with the mask'. He did not die a natural death. He
>>> choose his time and place. He choose his event. He knew. He was aware.
>>> Suicide for me, is perhaps much more than theologically inspired concept
>>> of
>>> 'weakness'. It is a moment of truth. In this world of appearances, where
>>> we
>>> are always told to be someone, a toast of hemlock seems like a final
>>> acknowledgment of one's being. That I will not negotiate. I will not be. I
>>> remember, when I was a child, I used to freeze when someone would ask,
>>> 'badhe hoke kya banoge' (What will you be when you grow up?). I didn't
>>> know
>>> it then. I don't know it now. Somewhere along the way I have stopped
>>> searching.
>>>
>>> We live in multiple times. Dream, fantasy, anxiety, desire, angst, anger
>>> are all states of experiencing time while being at someplace else. Death
>>> in
>>> a sense is perhaps the most pure experience of time. I think it is in the
>>> moment of death perhaps we solve the problematic of time. But what about
>>> other states of death. Like Jamia encounter. or the Delhi blasts. The
>>> inspector didn't know. The students didn't know. The victims didn't know.
>>> Death signified horror. The time code was interrupted. Or may be, on the
>>> last day of their lives they didn't know. They died with their masks on.
>>> Or
>>> perhaps the mask was never there. We will never know. 'Sar par kafan bandh
>>> ke chalna' is only a contingent practice. We are trapped in this profound
>>> fiction of normality. Floating in a river of fire. Sometimes we consume.
>>> At
>>> others we are consumed. We want to believe that when we grow old we die.
>>> Like four stages of life. We demand temporal stability. We dream about
>>> life
>>> as if it will be fair to us. We forget that a still born baby also dies a
>>> natural death. In an earlier post Jeebesh mentioned something about
>>> 'thanatocracy' with respect to Kashmir and the Indian state. Death
>>> signifies
>>> power in this regard. The naked vulnerability. Death is an essential
>>> condition for any state. Sovereign or otherwise. Yes death is political in
>>> its nakedness. You observed about signifier and signified with respect to
>>> that ramp walk of model terrorists. May be terrorism has become a new
>>> pornography of our times. We have finally arrived at a live TV formula to
>>> keep people/audiences/citizens/consumers/voters/individuals glued so that
>>> they can see some soap and soft drink ads. A report in outlook (
>>>
>>> http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20081006&fname=BDelhi+Encounter+(F)&sid=1)
>>> describes how a Delhi police special cell inspector was dressed as a
>>> salesman when he knocked on the doors of student/'terrorist'. He had don a
>>> mask perhaps to fabricate death. Death becomes a lure, a performance, to
>>> be
>>> enacted convincingly in front of live TV.
>>>
>>> And Kabir says, 'Aayein hain soo jaayenge rajah rnk faquir'.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Nazo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:17 PM, inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> through Montaigne's own Stoicism, that
>>> "to philosophize is to learn to die" ,
>>>
>>> For Deluze/Blanchot ' any death is double'
>>>
>>> 1. but it is not 'I' that dies and it is not 'my death' either
>>> 2. we never cease and we never finish to die. In this sense, living
>>> is inseparable from the partial deaths that it goes through, up
>>> until
>>> the disintegration, in "the other" death, of its individualized
>>> living
>>> shape. This another Death is ahead of us.
>>>
>>> Dear Nazo, thanks for a great and profound response. Death is
>>> certainly where foregrounds meet backgrounds. They indeed collapse.
>>> As Socretes, famously, said, while drinking Hemlock, ' my face is
>>> merging with the mask ' . It is true that this 'event' can be
>>> experienced only when one dies, but certainly that experience too
>>> becomes part of that 'event'. All we have is THIS. This what the
>>> learned heads say is OUTSIDE.
>>>
>>> They also say, I quote, The Outside is a pre-individual intensive
>>> universe of forces and unshaped matters that is "more distant than
>>> any external world." On the other end, life as an intensity is
>>> inseparable from shapes of life that appear in the folds or as the
>>> folds of the line of the Outside'.
>>>
>>> At this point, "death is rather the ultimate shape of
>>> the problematic, the source of all problems and questions, the mark
>>> of their
>>> permanency above every answer, the "Where?" and "When?" that
>>> designate
>>> this (non)-being whereby every affirmation finds its energy" Death
>>> as an event in "history" is only a point where two kinds of death
>>> meet. But
>>> it also reveals that death or "to die," as a pure Event, as an
>>> incorporeal, is
>>> essential to the creation and proliferation of life and thought. As
>>> Deleuze and
>>> Guattari stated in What Is Philosophy?:
>>>
>>> In fact, artistic creation is often presented by Deleuze as a
>>> counter-effectuation of a line of death.
>>>
>>> Through this, all what I want to see is that the coded signs in our
>>> life and thought are basically full of that emptiness of time. So,
>>> collapsible. Whatever that be, and that actually gives us some
>>> feeling
>>> of change, else as the Greeks say, there is nothing new under the
>>> sun.
>>>
>>> Right now, the only thing which prompts me to write is, for myself
>>> and
>>> for those readers on the list who quickly lapse into malice and
>>> personal abuse, if we can intensify the questioning keeping in view,
>>> I
>>> quote again, " death is rather ultimate shape of problematic, the
>>> source of all problems and questions".
>>>
>>> Recently, one of the active participants mr. Kshmendra wanted to
>>> know
>>> the territory of would be nation- Kashmir.
>>> My answer was that how we are in a position to draw territories when
>>> we have lost the earth collectively, sadly.
>>>
>>> Now here again, if we don't intensify the discourse on the problems
>>> of
>>> environmental death/dying of earth, we actually remain fighting on
>>> issues that are either irrelevant or shallow in nature.
>>>
>>> For example, Sadanand Menon's piece on the Arab Scarves provided to
>>> the three arrested from Jamia, made me to think again that what is
>>> the Mask. So in that sense, the identity of a community or a person
>>> represented by a sign or code is more lively than the person
>>> underneath. amazing, how signs function between signifers and
>>> signifieds.
>>>
>>> The whole Muslim community was paraded naked by the red and white
>>> Arab
>>> scarves, intentionally.
>>>
>>> It is indeed strange to see how subjectivities can be manipulated in
>>> a
>>> particular situation, by those who don't think that ' death' is
>>> overpowering a subject which can turn the tables at any given point
>>> of
>>> time. That indeed is political, here.
>>>
>>> But in poetic sense also, if we consider a saint like Kabir who
>>> always
>>> kept us reminding the futility of being too attached to materiality
>>> of
>>> this illusory world.
>>>
>>> Love
>>> is
>>>
>>> p.s needless to say, that I am not a student of philosophy, even.
>>>
>>> Thanks Tapas, i too read different reflections with this intention
>>> that it liberates, educates....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > It's exchanges like this that make it worthwhile to stay on here.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2008/9/27 Nazneen Anand Shamsi <nazoshmasi at googlemail.com>:
>>> >> Dear Inder,
>>> >>
>>> >> Certain words, phrases crop up in my mind when I read your
>>> response- reverse
>>> >> engineering, hacking, hermeneutics, reading, translating. These
>>> words are
>>> >> fairly well circulated in our social life. All of these words
>>> convey, in a
>>> >> sense, perhaps, exercises in code making and code breaking.
>>> Meaning making
>>> >> as a hobby, I feel, is slowly fading away. I agree with you when
>>> you say
>>> >> that 'people want instant results'. Perhaps this is just one more
>>> sign of
>>> >> our times. We are not interested in processes anymore. We are not
>>> interested
>>> >> in exposing ourselves to a knowledge, which tells us in all its
>>> rawness, how
>>> >> a thing was arrived at. In this rush to consume, be it a national
>>> identity
>>> >> or a candy bar we have grown to appreciate just the product. In
>>> its final
>>> >> form. Packaged. Sealed. Sterilized. And yes with a price and that
>>> crucial
>>> >> date of manufacture and expiry date intact.
>>> >>
>>> >> Change- they say, is the essence of our common human existence.
>>> But is it
>>> >> not that the more people change the more they remain the same. I
>>> still feel
>>> >> sometimes, that even in this day and age we are essentially
>>> hunter gathers.
>>> >> Always out of our caves in search of something. Jobs. Spouses.
>>> Causes.
>>> >> Lifestyles. Thoughts. Ideas. And once we find something that
>>> gives us a
>>> >> little meaning. We stop. We demarcate. We build small fences
>>> around and like
>>> >> that dog on the street who pisses on four poles and thinks that
>>> it is his
>>> >> territory and we bark and we bite, sometimes we fight too against
>>> all those
>>> >> who contest and dares to question us. Present takes over. Truth,
>>> or that
>>> >> thing called truth! Takes over. When the only truth of our frail
>>> existence
>>> >> is of course death. That one day we will all be gone. And with us
>>> all our
>>> >> memories, desires, aspirations, bitterness, hunger, food, sex,
>>> >> companionship, conversations, life plans, rights/wrongs,
>>> smartness, style,
>>> >> cleverness will go. Natural death, for me, is a calming thought.
>>> The
>>> >> calumniation of a journey. A full stop. The greatest leveler.
>>> And the irony
>>> >> is that in the moment of death we will take away with us its
>>> memory and its
>>> >> experience. The code will cease to exist. The translation will
>>> stop. The
>>> >> foreground will merge with the background.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards
>>> >>
>>> >> Nazo
>>> >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:31 AM, inder salim <
>>> indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> well said, "we want to deliberately create that distance to
>>> make
>>> >>> meaning? " Dear Nazo
>>> >>>
>>> >>> certailly,the image in front of our eyes is illusion, beret of
>>> that
>>> >>> madness which created it in the first palce.. i am not only
>>> talking
>>> >>> about a photograph, but about the various derived meanings which
>>> >>> resemble an image
>>> >>>
>>> >>> .what we get ? we are certainly struggling to make some sense
>>> of what
>>> >>> we see, feel, her and even touch.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> anything becomes a backgroound, in a situation. of image or
>>> otherwise.
>>> >>> what violence is happening in the background is struggling for a
>>> >>> language, which is perhaps not there. It might be discovering
>>> one
>>> >>> only when someting replaces its own background. There is deep
>>> flux
>>> >>> going on between this background-foreground of reality. I am
>>> >>> personally wondering if we could ever get a right picture of '
>>> what it
>>> >>> is' . since background instantly lapses into silence, without
>>> those
>>> >>> essential codes which occupy the meaning.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> we certainly create meaning of a history only when we distance
>>> >>> ourselves from it. otherwise there is no way we can talk ' the
>>> >>> hysteria of history' .... this is the paradox, which often keep
>>> us
>>> >>> busy, chasing the other, so distortions, wittingly or
>>> unwittingly.
>>> >>> the saner thing appears, here, is that we need to emancipate
>>> ourselves
>>> >>> from time to time, keep ourselves open to doubt. this is
>>> perhaps, too
>>> >>> much to demand, since people want instant results, both in
>>> their
>>> >>> private and public life. But we know how changes occur,
>>> sometimes
>>> >>> nothing seems to change. particularly when the word '
>>> revolution' is
>>> >>> passe.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> you have rightly said that social reality is coded, but how much
>>> >>> quantum of the coded reality gets its ' time ' to occupy the
>>> sapce for
>>> >>> a meaning. ( i am perhaps vague ) . the impermenance of
>>> whites,
>>> >>> blacks and blues in the sky makes it all time grey.
>>> >>> but then perhaps, we need a contrast to realise our own beings,
>>> our
>>> >>> identities, genders so that background ( greys ) are not talked
>>> about,
>>> >>> literally a grey is colour a coded shade too. an illusion
>>> again. but
>>> >>> something is more rapid than eye which thinks it catches full.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> in another post, i was thinking about a 10000 year old histroy
>>> to
>>> >>> begin with, where we can certainly make this grey more visible.
>>> but
>>> >>> since we have to talk and talk , so we need codes which are
>>> available
>>> >>> to us from our recent history only. so 1947 is coded in that
>>> sense,
>>> >>> but since we have moved far ahead of 1947 it strangely becomes a
>>> >>> background reality. the pain of it atleast. even the recent
>>> delhi bomb
>>> >>> blasts become coded realities, but much happens always than we
>>> can
>>> >>> talk about
>>> >>>
>>> >>> love
>>> >>> is
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Nazneen Anand Shamsi
>>> >>> <nazoshmasi at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> > Dear Inder,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Thank you for a wonderful post. It made me think. Wasn't codes
>>> always a
>>> >>> part
>>> >>> > of our reality? I don't see any harm in that. What makes me
>>> wonder is
>>> >>> this
>>> >>> > whole background/foreground dichotomy. I think to see a
>>> picture as an
>>> >>> image
>>> >>> > composed of backgrounds and foregrounds is to engage in an
>>> exercise in
>>> >>> self
>>> >>> > delusion.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Are there any backgrounds or foregrounds in a two dimensional
>>> frame. Or
>>> >>> is
>>> >>> > it that we want to deliberately create that distance to make
>>> meaning?
>>> >>> Would
>>> >>> > it be wrong to say that a picture is only composed of
>>> backgrounds etched
>>> >>> in
>>> >>> > time and as we move along we call, for the sake of
>>> convenience, some of
>>> >>> > those backgrounds foregrounds? Or that every foreground was a
>>> background
>>> >>> > first, till we re-frame our perspective? Is 1947 really the
>>> background or
>>> >>> is
>>> >>> > it a foreground, we are revisiting as in a state of deja vu?
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > The social world will always unfold in front our eyes and will
>>> always
>>> >>> seem
>>> >>> > like a code, for we will never know what it was. We will
>>> always try to
>>> >>> > interpret it. Grasp it. Clinch it. Manipulate it. There are no
>>> blacks or
>>> >>> > whites, only shades of gray. Constantly changing its color
>>> like those
>>> >>> dense
>>> >>> > over cast clouds on a windy day. Which shade of gray that
>>> cloud will take
>>> >>> > depends only on the wind.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I do not know whether the Jamia incident can become a national
>>> issue, for
>>> >>> I
>>> >>> > truly believe that public memory is short. Between September
>>> and may,
>>> >>> > between winter and summer, a lot may happen. Lets hope and
>>> keep hoping
>>> >>> that
>>> >>> > it happens for the best.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Warm regards
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Nazo
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:29 PM, inder salim <
>>> indersalim at gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Dear Nazo
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> you have a point, it is now very intersting. thanks for very
>>> good
>>> >>> >> reflections...
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> yes, where ever there is free health care , people tend to
>>> consume
>>> >>> >> more medicine. .... yet another paradox.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> it was not just another case of an arrest where student was
>>> arrested
>>> >>> >> say on charges of rape etc. but the situation is quite
>>> political here.
>>> >>> >> i still see 1947 kind of reality. I still see kings and
>>> princes
>>> >>> >> around, in that sense, i feel there were always prime
>>> ministers and
>>> >>> >> elections.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> i quote ronald barthi , The stadium is always coded, the
>>> punctum is
>>> >>> >> not. He is talking about photographs, where the backgroud is
>>> almost
>>> >>> >> insignficant, thus giving a mysterious presence to the
>>> figures in the
>>> >>> >> foreground. I am just learning myself, here, to understand if
>>> we can
>>> >>> >> talk about the background reality of the muslims. Li ving
>>> on yumana
>>> >>> >> pushta, i once asked a man what is your name, he politely
>>> replied,
>>> >>> >> mein to musalmaan hoon ( i am just a muslim ) . so the issue
>>> of
>>> >>> >> minority comes to the fore, the whole cane or worms begin to
>>> swarm the
>>> >>> >> surface which was meant for words, words which hold the
>>> meaning....
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> The media, the red and white scarf around the faces of the
>>> arrested
>>> >>> >> students, the muslim terrorism, the necessary and
>>> un)necessary roles
>>> >>> >> played by police, the shaheed police officer, and the
>>> opposite side of
>>> >>> >> the muslims fundamentalsim: RSS Parivar, Everything is coded,
>>> and we
>>> >>> >> readiilyy see green as muslim and orange as Hindu and so
>>> on...
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> But here, the punctum is the large background of human mass,
>>> who are
>>> >>> >> suspicious... ........ the term ' jamia, which was not a
>>> major
>>> >>> >> foreground part of the image till recently is begining to
>>> become
>>> >>> >> coded, Thus its VC who happens to be a muslim. Everhing is
>>> becoming
>>> >>> >> like a stadium.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> the palyers are playing the game. But there is unpridicatable
>>> nautre
>>> >>> >> of game,, a strange dynamics in the audience, hapening all
>>> the time,
>>> >>> >> outside the stadium too, beyond the hills too, beyond
>>> terrotiers too.
>>> >>> >> the air and sun mixed with history is such that the
>>> background happens
>>> >>> >> withoiut a representation, and thus a mysterioius, and
>>> unpridictable.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> The entry of HRD in all of this has again added a code to the
>>> existing
>>> >>> >> codes. That was inevitable, because the stadium was bigger
>>> than it
>>> >>> >> looked before.
>>> >>> >> NOt surprising , the jamia issue can become a national issue
>>> for anti
>>> >>> >> BJP campaing, who tried their best to catapult Amanath Land
>>> issue into
>>> >>> >> national election issue......, and thus all kinds of
>>> distortions. One
>>> >>> >> of the distortion is : creating legal cell, but how to see
>>> that not
>>> >>> >> happening, given the nature of coded presence, which is too
>>> >>> >> overwhelming. we are caught in the laybrinth of paradoxes, i
>>> quote
>>> >>> >> Focualt
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> The background is what sometimes, looks more deeper than the
>>> the
>>> >>> obvious.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> love
>>> >>> >> is
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Nazneen Anand Shamsi
>>> >>> >> <nazoshmasi at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >> > Dear Radhikarajen, Dear Iram, Dear all
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> > This is exactly what I was fearing. One incident happens in
>>> a
>>> >>> localized
>>> >>> >> > setting, and people want to set up an institution to 'deal'
>>> with it.
>>> >>> >> > Creating one more category to trap a section of the society
>>> which is
>>> >>> >> > already
>>> >>> >> > struggling with other categories. This is far more
>>> alienating. I would
>>> >>> >> > not
>>> >>> >> > be surprised, that given the timing of this benign act,
>>> some people on
>>> >>> >> > this
>>> >>> >> > list would be extremely happy, for their wishes were
>>> answered. But the
>>> >>> >> > larger fallout, in this case would be, that other
>>> communities would
>>> >>> >> > begin to
>>> >>> >> > ask for such institutions as well. Which in turn would do
>>> more harm
>>> >>> than
>>> >>> >> > good to vulnerable sections of society. I would expect the
>>> members of
>>> >>> >> > the
>>> >>> >> > state to act with more impunity, in cases to come, for now
>>> they can
>>> >>> >> > always
>>> >>> >> > say to members of minority community, yes we are doing this
>>> but you
>>> >>> may
>>> >>> >> > go
>>> >>> >> > to this institution and register your protest. This is
>>> exactly what
>>> >>> >> > happened
>>> >>> >> > in East Germany, which allowed Statsi to harass people at
>>> will as they
>>> >>> >> > have
>>> >>> >> > compensatory institutions at place.
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> > I find this act by HRD Minister deeply anguishing. This is
>>> not called
>>> >>> >> > for at
>>> >>> >> > all. I register my protest in the setting up of this legal
>>> cell in the
>>> >>> >> > strongest possible manner.
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> > Best
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> > Nazo
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 12:30 PM, <radhikarajen at vsnl.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> >> STOP PRESS
>>> >>> >> >>
>>> >>> >> >> expect the vily old fox to encash the votes, Shri, Arjun
>>> Singh, HRD
>>> >>> >> >> minister visited the VC of Jamia Milia University to
>>> extend all help
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> >> >> all
>>> >>> >> >> terror accused, now Bhajrang dal also can expect all help
>>> for the
>>> >>> >> >> activities
>>> >>> >> >> from HRD minister. A special legal cell has been
>>> constituted to
>>> >>> >> >> encourage
>>> >>> >> >> obstruction of judicial proceedings with reputed
>>> "criminal" lawyers
>>> >>> >> >> and the
>>> >>> >> >> panel will be headed by R K Anand, legal illuninary who
>>> can obstruct
>>> >>> >> >> all
>>> >>> >> >> proceedings for the right fee, able assisted by minister
>>> of Law, H R
>>> >>> >> >> Bharadwaj, who was instrumental in obstruction of
>>> impeachment of a
>>> >>> >> >> judge in
>>> >>> >> >> Parliament, Mr. Jce. Ramaswamy. Mr. Kapil Sibal will be
>>> this time
>>> >>> >> >> arguing
>>> >>> >> >> both i and out of parliament for the legal aid cell. ( In
>>> impeachment
>>> >>> >> >> proceedings being non member of parliament, Mr. sibal had
>>> argued at
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> >> >> entrance of the hall of parliament.)
>>> >>> >> >>
>>> >>> >> >> All the universities will be provided budgetary
>>> allocations on caste,
>>> >>> >> >> faith
>>> >>> >> >> based estimates with funds to extend legal aid., the
>>> minister
>>> >>> assured,
>>> >>> >> >> and
>>> >>> >> >> particular care will be taken of the faith based
>>> terrorists and all
>>> >>> >> >> help
>>> >>> >> >> will be extended to improve law and order and the accused
>>> can have
>>> >>> all
>>> >>> >> >> the
>>> >>> >> >> help from various minstries also like railway passes for
>>> going to the
>>> >>> >> >> courts, subsidised fertisiser, ammonium nitrate for the
>>> needy.
>>> >>> >> >>
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