[Reader-list] HARAM

Vedavati Jogi vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com
Mon Sep 29 18:51:39 IST 2008 

hello monica,
 
as a readerslist administrator you did what you found correct.
 
but i wonder some time back when people like abhik samant, roger das etc. used absolutely filthy language against me, you did not find anything objectaionable in their postings and they were not removed from the list.
 
why this double standard?
 
in india secularism is synonamous with hindu bashing, and muslim appeasement,
 
readers list is no exception. 
 
we must try to introspect what is the reason for the rise in anti-muslim sentiments amongst hindus
muslims in this country always cry foul and try to show a wounded heart, and anything that hurts the muslims, they simply get angry and start blaming the system and the majority community, and the governments, which continue to condone an errring child.  
 
they want to have a seperate civil code, but will they accept the rest of the law of the islam like in Saudi Arabia, where a rapist will be stoned or hanged to death, or a thief's hands are cut off? misdeeds of muslims are  all hushed up and nobody likes to speak about it. 
 
 today, they ask for special reservations, but they don't send their girls to school. if they have remained in the ghettos it was partly their own making. they do not wish to acknowledge their flaws.
 
they know their rights but not ready to understand their duties. i have not heard any indian muslim supporting the deportation of bangladeshi muslims who are illigally staying in this country and creating problems.
 
if anybody abuses hindu gods or hurts hindu sentiments readers list does not find it objectionable. 
if anybody talks against this he/she is removed from the list.
 
vedavati
--- On Mon, 29/9/08, Monica Narula <monica at sarai.net> wrote:

From: Monica Narula <monica at sarai.net>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] HARAM
To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
Date: Monday, 29 September, 2008, 6:43 PM

As the Reader-list Administrator, I will now use my prerogative to  
remove Radhika Rajen from the list.

Monica Narula
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On 29-Sep-08, at 4:07 PM, radhikarajen at vsnl.net wrote:

> Aarti,
>
>  if you enjoy the vague comments of Inderji, like the rioters  
> getting upset because of something written about "pandavas" it
is  
> upto you. Please read the exchange of our thoughts carefully before  
> jumping to protect Inderji with lots of love.Orissa happened  
> because a 80 year old revered person along with aged persons was  
> shot dead, not because of vague comments. Further Inderji in his  
> glib posts with occassional ghalib quotes gets away with sedition,  
> but being apologists to secularism, we always tolerate. When he  
> says --"what is sacred to you, need not be sacred for him," the 

> secular credentials stand totally exposed.
>
>  For me, what is sacred for him, may not be sacred, but i will not  
> ridicule that feel of sacredness. That is tolerent human being in  
> me. But he not only prefers to ridicule and Aarti for her love is  
> prepared to chastise others to be tolerent of his posts which at  
> times are games of dividing the citizens on yardstick of caste and  
> faith, support to separatists tinged with ghalib's quoates.?
>
>  So, just to get him a feel of what it means to hurt others of the  
> social ills the two incidents are given, not that in other  
> communities the events of such magbitude do not happen, but priests  
> in our society have no right of fathwas.
>
>    If you like the circumsized cock it is your choice, but it does  
> not give right to you to keep mum when that person ridicules what  
> you consider as good and sacred. Tolerence does not mean that Inder  
> can ridicule everything that is sacred for hindu to please his  
> bosses in power. When he talks of caste discrimination, he seems to  
> overlook the ills in other faiths and communities and faiths, with  
> humans in every community, the faults are there in all the faiths.  
> Let us try to figure out at reforms from our homes first, as  
> charity begins at home, but it does not give any moral high for a  
> person like Inder salim to talk up above from clouds.! It is for  
> this reason, that i gave the incidents for him to reflect on the  
> role of fathwas, let him respond, if he wants a decent debate, but  
> that does not mean we should take his intolerence in our strides.?
>
> Regards.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aarti Sethi <aarti.sethi at gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:05 pm
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] HARAM
> To: radhikarajen at vsnl.net
> Cc: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>, reader-list at sarai.net
>
>> radhika again you talk in unsubstantiated and vague generalities
>> which are
>> neither here nor there and only betray your prejudice. Do you wish
>> me to
>> quote incidents of the patriarchy inherent in Hindu society? I
>> assure you I
>> can at great length. Really this is getting us nowhere.
>>
>> regs
>> A
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:10 PM, <radhikarajen at vsnl.net> wrote:
>>
>>> With more love,
>>>      Inderji,
>>>    a visual which showed the father in law defending having sex
>> with his
>>> daughter in law, fit to be his daughter did not make me smile,
>> felt sad,
>>> even saddened  by the fathwa that followed the incident
>>>      .A girl of hardly thirteen years married off to a
"shaikh"
>> of 67 years
>>> of age, in Hyderabad, weeping at the airport before the flight
>> took off,made
>>> me sad, not laugh as the nikah was legal, meher was good.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: inder salim <indersalim at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:38 pm
>>> Subject: [Reader-list] HARAM
>>> To: reader-list at sarai.net
>>>
>>>> the one word comment  HARAM ( illegitimate ) on the following
>> you tube
>>>> Nizamuddin no. at Ghalib's Mazar  ( a fragment of complete
>> song )
>>>> made me smile,  unlike those who start rioting ( in Orirsa )
after
>>>> reading something about Pandav Putras and some other deities
>> similar> > to them in origin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgNaFxUPaDg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> just click the above
>>>> love
>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> http://indersalim.livejournal.com
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