[Reader-list] Fwd: Communists ask for forgiveness for acts committed in past

[Pawan Durani]

Dear Anupam ,

I understand your predicament . It is fashionable not to accept
islamic terrorism in Kashmir.
Thats a fashion , well adopted by 'sickulars'.

pawan

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> Date: Apr 6, 2009 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Communists ask for forgiveness for acts committed
> in past
> To: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
>
> yes sir, sure i would have love to learn all about the political turncoats
> like you who justify all their actions by changing their political attire
> like a bollywood star. but it doesnt suit my taste. although, at least you
> are honest that you shifted allegiances for your own cause. i never said i
> disrespect the cause of kashmiris especially those who were displaced. but
> it is unfortunate, like you, several of them have been misguided to believe
> that it is a communal battle. but there are voices independent of these
> communal ideas. i was in jammu art college for a month and spoke to several
> artists following various faiths. without being biased towards the human
> rights abuse in kashmir and cause of the kashmiris who have been displaced,
> they were all united against the state policies in dealing with kashmir.
>
> they did not understand the communal side of the kashmir conflict. they
> refused to. they were small in numbers, slightly whimsical about their works
> but one voice from jammu and kashmir. i guess that was real. i would love
> learn more from them instead of someone trying to educate me about where the
> political parties are placed in the ideological spectrum of this country.
>
> thanks again for saying learn
>  anupam
>
> On 4/6/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Learn more Anupam.....you need to do that
>>
>> SFI was about student activism
>> Indira Gandhi was a leader
>> National Conference was the only party which could have defeated
>> Muslim United Front
>> Panun Kashmir is my right which needs to be supported by all people
>>
>> Do you need to learn more ?
>>
>> God Bless ......atleast you follow a faith...
>>
>> Pawan
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Dear Pawan,
>> >
>> > I will be learning about emailing ethics for sure. you see its something
>> new
>> > to me.
>> >
>> > But looks like you've been quite a turncoat (if you what that means). you
>> > started with SFI, moved to indira gandhi, then national conf, now Panun
>> > Kashmir. how long do you plan to stick around with hindutva...trust me
>> its
>> > in fashion now. ideological/political trends in this country last for
>> five
>> > years.
>> >
>> > anyway...i dont intend to hurt your faith or idealogical inclinations. it
>> is
>> > a request that you should be real about your allegations. Like i dont
>> trust
>> > the commies, i have the same feeling for saffron. one rejects my faith,
>> the
>> > other puts a question mark on it by suppressing the true nature of it. my
>> > faith is personal. it cannot assume a fanatical form like how various
>> > saffron groups. it will contradict what upanishads or the gita says.
>> > political form of hinduism is a contradiction to its very foundation.
>> there
>> > are several persons off all political hues who would agree to this very
>> > nature of my faith. now its upto you how you want to manufacture opinion
>> > around it.
>> >
>> > regards
>> > anupam
>> >
>> > On 4/6/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Anupam ,
>> >>
>> >> I suggest you learn E-mailing before you blame gmail. I do not like a
>> >> personal interaction going public irrespective of whether I am
>> >> involved or not. Ethics come with responsibility and that is a word
>> >> for you to understand.
>> >>
>> >> Being critical of 'sickular' also does not make  me a BJP cadre. I
>> >> don't mind turning immature to teach some immatures.
>> >>
>> >> As for me , i would join the party i like some day when i feel . Till
>> >> now I am not a member of any.
>> >>
>> >> I was an activist of SFI many years back in Kashmir , voted for
>> >> National Conference when i was very young, Indira Gandhi ji was like
>> >> revered like a mother , and I am a supporter of Panun Kashmir cause
>> >> and not its member.
>> >>
>> >> I do not wish to join politics for making 'loads of money' ....the day
>> >> I wish .....i would have a red flag in my hand and a false commitment
>> >> to labor class and a photo of non Indian on the wall behind the place
>> >> i sit.
>> >>
>> >> Pawan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > dear pawan, gmail actually offers a direct reply...so unknowingly i
>> might
>> >> > have sent you the first mail. from the beginning itself i intended to
>> >> make
>> >> > this conversation public...so the question of ethics doesnt arise
>> >> here..if
>> >> > it has hurt you, i would blame it on the gmail.
>> >> >
>> >> > being critical of BJP's policy doesnt make me a red flag. looks like
>> you
>> >> > are really immature in political debates. why dont you give and do
>> some
>> >> > party work? its gainful employment..you can make loads of money.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 4/6/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Dear Anupam ji ,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You are as unethical as any red flag bearer is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You preferred to have an offline conversation with me and suddenly
>> you
>> >> >> send the whole exchange to a discussion forum.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is this the ethics being taught by your senior comrades ? I pity you
>> >> >> for not having learnt basic etiquette.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Your motives and conduct stink.....
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Pawan
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:07 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> >> c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > precisely, this is what you think...now why would BJP call the
>> killing
>> >> of
>> >> >> > muslims an unfortunate incident is what im surprised about? BJP
>> >> actually
>> >> >> > planned it...n thanks for telling me...if they have the guts
>> demolish
>> >> an
>> >> >> > archealogical site, terrorising innocent people is their second
>> >> nature.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 4/6/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yes , 100 crore Indian would fund it.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:46 AM, anupam chakravartty <
>> >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > who? atal behari vajpeyee..he is not even there. instead we have
>> >> more,
>> >> >> >> shall
>> >> >> >> > i say a "purified" version? of modi...mr varun gandhi. since u
>> seem
>> >> to
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> an
>> >> >> >> > insider in the BJP, why not tell us who is funding the Ram
>> Temple?
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> > be publicly funded...
>> >> >> >> > On 4/6/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Anupam Ji ,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Probably you read only those news item which carry the red flag
>> .
>> >> Has
>> >> >> >> >> not the BJP also termed Gujarat incident as unfortunate.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Pawan
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 11:19 AM, anupam chakravartty <
>> >> >> >> c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > at least they acknowledge their acts unlike maya kodnani and
>> the
>> >> >> >> saffron
>> >> >> >> >> > bandwagon who killed so many in gujarat. although its an
>> >> >> interesting
>> >> >> >> >> piece
>> >> >> >> >> > of news.
>> >> >> >> >> > anupam
>> >> >> >> >> > On 4/5/09, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/cpimdefensive-seeks-forgiveness/354025/
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Party cadres told to go to people and seek forgiveness for
>> >> their
>> >> >> acts
>> >> >> >> >> >> committed in the past.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> The CPI(M) in West Bengal has finally decided to do
>> something
>> >> >> which
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> >> had not done in the last three decades: seek people’s
>> >> forgiveness.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Biman Bose, the state secretary of the ruling party, has
>> >> >> repeatedly
>> >> >> >> >> >> asked his party cadres to go to people and seek forgiveness
>> for
>> >> >> their
>> >> >> >> >> >> acts committed in the past. Earlier, Bose had gone to public
>> >> while
>> >> >> >> >> >> addressing an election meeting in Purulia, saying that “some
>> of
>> >> >> our
>> >> >> >> >> >> leaders have become arrogant”. Though he did not identify
>> any
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> those
>> >> >> >> >> >> “arrogant” leaders, he later pursued the issue in the CPI(M)
>> >> state
>> >> >> >> >> >> secretariat and Left Front meetings. He also admitted in
>> public
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> >> he had advised the party cadres to tender an apology to the
>> >> people
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> >> their past arrogance.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Following the CPI(M), the Forward Bloc (FB), another Left
>> Front
>> >> >> >> >> >> partner, has also taken the same approach. Yesterday, at a
>> >> meeting
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> the party’s trade union wing TUCC, FB state secretary Ashok
>> >> Ghosh
>> >> >> >> >> >> urged the cadres not to show arrogance in their behaviour
>> >> towards
>> >> >> >> >> >> people and also to seek forgiveness for their past acts, if
>> >> any.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> In other words, this is an admission from the top leaders
>> that
>> >> >> three
>> >> >> >> >> >> decades of uninterrupted power has created a class of
>> arrogant
>> >> >> >> leaders
>> >> >> >> >> >> and cadres which in turn is pushing the people away from the
>> >> Left.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Gurudas Dasgupta, the CPI MP from Bengal who is now busy
>> >> fighting
>> >> >> >> >> >> another electoral battle from Ghatal (after the delimitation
>> >> >> process,
>> >> >> >> >> >> the old Panskura constituency has been renamed as Ghatal),
>> >> feels
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> >> >> >> is good tactical move. “It is a defensive game, where
>> defence
>> >> is
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> best offence,” he says.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> But the Opposition detects a streak of nervousness in these
>> >> >> campaign
>> >> >> >> >> >> tactics. Congress leader Manas Bhuian is convinced that the
>> >> >> “CPI(M)
>> >> >> >> >> >> now is nervous. It could read the writing on the wall and
>> that
>> >> >> forced
>> >> >> >> >> >> it to change the tactic. But power has gone to their head.
>> They
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> >> >> giddy with success and for that they can’t change their
>> >> attitude
>> >> >> >> >> >> overnight”.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Sudip Banerjee, the TMC candidate from North Kolkata, feels:
>> >> “The
>> >> >> >> >> >> CPI(M) is now really on the defensive. But no matter how
>> much
>> >> it
>> >> >> >> tries
>> >> >> >> >> >> to extricate itself from this position, it won’t succeed. It
>> is
>> >> >> too
>> >> >> >> >> >> little and too late.”
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> But a section of CPI(M) leaders, who are close to Biman
>> Bose,
>> >> >> believe
>> >> >> >> >> >> that this move might put a stop to the erosion of support in
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> rural
>> >> >> >> >> >> areas where in the recent past the Left suffered a series of
>> >> >> >> electoral
>> >> >> >> >> >> setbacks.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Last year, after having a major debacle in the panchayat
>> >> >> elections,
>> >> >> >> >> >> the party tried to find out the causes of the setback. The
>> >> review
>> >> >> >> >> >> brought out the seamy side of the party organisation at the
>> >> >> >> grassroots
>> >> >> >> >> >> level, where leaders have amassed huge power in their hands
>> and
>> >> >> >> turned
>> >> >> >> >> >> into tyrants themselves. For the party, it was a revelation,
>> >> but
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> people knew it already through their day to day experiences.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Incidentally, along that line, a move to sideline some of
>> those
>> >> >> >> >> >> leaders in the election was also mooted by the leadership
>> but
>> >> >> finally
>> >> >> >> >> >> discarded after considering it too hasty while finalising
>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> candidates’ list.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> According to insiders, by asking the party cadres to be more
>> >> >> humble
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> >> their approach to the people, Biman Bose also wants to send
>> a
>> >> >> signal
>> >> >> >> >> >> to those party satraps to fall in line.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> It is to be watched if the measures taken at the higher
>> level
>> >> can
>> >> >> >> >> >> discipline the party organisation, but truly it is a
>> climb-down
>> >> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> >> the position they earlier used to enjoy in the state.
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