[Reader-list] secularly secular.

[Venugopalan K M]

Dear Mr.Rajen,

Just a few lines about your following comments here:

> "it (the RSS) has certainly has reservations about the individuals in any
faith who betray the national integrity and support outside terrorists by
sheltoring them, supporting them and facilitating them, rightly so...
>about western and indian concept of love, our subcontinent has Prema, or
love as divine, and western concept of love is basically physical, like it
or not."
Who is there sitting in judgement on the issue of "betraying the national
integrity" ?
If the judge were  myself, I would certainly have identified the RSS as the
organization  primarily responsible for this;  but it depends on whether you
or me be the judge.
However, to avoid this kind of subjective bias, we have recourse to the Rule
of Law and the Secular Constitution of India.
Unfortunately, RSS is far from adhering to law and  it considers itself
above law. It tries to plant such an image in the minds of political
renegades, semi-literates, bigots and imbeciles that it has a previleged
authority  to speak for the entire nation and society. Actually this image
is nothing but a propped up one by the predominantly brahmanical media and
by the major global players of neo-liberal economic agenda.

The so called Western and Indian concepts of love,are not even worthy of any
serious  debate, except  by novices with  limited exposure to learning and
literature. Again, it  is just another a ploy to divide people, and to deny
the  experience of humans everywhere. You clearly support the logic of Sri
Ram Sene here and thus your writing even a thousands of paragraphs against
the unlawful activities of Sri Ram Sene simply doesn't help.

Lastly, your reference to RSS as an organization having reservations about
activities of terrorism is entirely misleading. Not only In Malegav bomb
blast but in several anti-muslim and anti-christian campaigns of hate the
role of this oganization is just too obvious to be mentioned . In fact, a
paricular global agenda of fighting against terrorism is manufactured and
thrust on the governments and people everywhere just to find justification
in cracking down on elected governments world wide. The ruling classes
everywhere subscribe to such view on terrorism even as they keep silence
about millions of people being killed in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine and
everywhere. The real terrorists threatening peace everywhere in the world
are  those who serve with slavish obedience a US - Israel led militaristic
solutions to conflicts created in the first instance by the very same
hegemonic powers. RSS has a long history of slavishly serving the
anti-people policies of their colonial and neo-colonial masters in alliance
with native feudal  landlords and kings.



On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Rajen Uppinangadi <
rajen882uppinangadi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,  Venu,
>     Intolerence personified.? Ofcourse you have your intellect to take your
> own decisions and conclusions about the post, but have you not missed the
> whole paragraph where my post refers to any form of violence as unlawful,
> Rama sena when it indulges in violence it is illegal, unacceptable, so also,
> the illegal activities of the preachers who use money power in bad
> governance to change the faith of gullible.
>
> As to RSS if you have wrong perceptions of RSS it is your choice, just like
> I too had, but my approach was different, I went and saw the actions of the
> RSS and am convinced that the RSS does not hate muslims nor does it dislike
> muslims, but it has certainly has reservations about the individuals in any
> faith who betray the national integrity and support outside terrorists by
> sheltoring them, supporting them and facilitating them, rightly so.
>
>   And lastly about western and indian concept of love, our subcontinent has
> Prema, or love as divine, and western concept of love is basically physical,
> like it or not.
>
>  Regards.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Venugopalan K M <kmvenuannur at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Abhorrent indeed is Mr. Rajen Uppinangadi's  (mis)concept of Love,Western
>> and Indian!
>>
>> (Why doesn't he speak about Hindu Talibans , like Sri Ram Sene or the
>> like?
>> Why doesn't he speak about the perpetual hate agenda of the RSS and its
>> parivar?
>> Why does he think that every body else in this forum is too dull-witted to
>> be able to see through all these games and call a spade a spade?)
>>  This snobbishness is beyond any limit ..
>> Does the sarai postings have  sort of moderation policy or not?
>>
>> Venu.
>>   On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Rajen Uppinangadi <
>> rajen882uppinangadi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  It is indeed interesting views about being secular and its hues of
>>> definitions.
>>>  As I see it all faiths are secular, if they are not under control of its
>>> clergies.Because all faiths teach us of compassion, empathy, concerns for
>>> fellow living beings and good way of life to live ethically and morally
>>> correct.All faiths talk of love( not in western meaning of love making)
>>> to
>>> other s in society, and secular life in democratic rule of governance
>>> means
>>> all citizens get good governance, right to property and all fundamental
>>> rights so that they can be facilitated by good governance to avail all
>>> opportunities in life without depriving others of their rights.And that
>>> is
>>> dharma, or duty to accept rights of others to live as they feel fit,
>>> without
>>> impinging on others rights in society.Respect to other individuals rights
>>> is
>>> the duty or dharma as long as it does not hurt the societal peace and
>>> harmony, if it does the laws are there to take action, and none can take
>>> laws in their hands to correct the deviant behaviour of the few.
>>>
>>> As we see today, the clergies have bigger role in some faiths, they after
>>> prayers provoke the followers of faith into violent acts, only to
>>> strengthen
>>> their hold on the community so as to deliver votes to the needy who pay
>>> the
>>> price for such votes, not to community but to these self proclaimed
>>> leaders
>>> of the community. Thus they become king makers of the community.
>>>
>>>  This is more marked in christian faith and some ects of islamic clergies
>>> and we see the taliban and evil effects of such clergies who have no
>>> respect
>>> for rights of individuals of their own faith.!
>>>
>>> In christian faith the role of pope onwards is that of a fascist dictator
>>> who orders with money power to harvest souls of the poor and convert them
>>> with material needs. It only reflects the fact that bad governance,
>>> governance of discrimination on caste and faith has made all feel
>>> deprived
>>> and thus naalism, deviant fanatism of violence is born out of bad
>>> governance.Proper implementation of rule of laws will be only method were
>>> individuals do not take laws into their own hands at the percieved
>>> injustice
>>> in governance where the judiciary acts promptly to prosecute the
>>> violaters
>>> of rule of laws.
>>>
>>> Any faith helps individual to have good ethical, moral material life,
>>> intellectual life and spiritual life at his/her own choice, but clergies
>>> mess up the life with fanatism, with their considered dos and donts.
>>> Every
>>> individual knows what is correct, and what is wrong for him.When an
>>> individual respects others rights in practice of his rights, that is
>>> happyness for all in society.
>>>
>>> Regards..
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