[Reader-list] Ayodhya, a simple matter of adjudication and courts and judiciary has failed the nation.

Wed Apr 15 12:28:47 IST 2009

Dear Venugopalan,

In India, I think, who speak for or create show to speak for minority is 
secular and who speak for majority is communal. This is the definition of 
secularism in India is prevailing.

The real secularism is to give equal respect and treatment to all the 
religions (dharma).

But, what is religion or what is Dharma? It is very complicated question.
The real religion or dharma is the work you do honestly and sincerely 
allotted to you. For Ex. You have to take care of your new born child and 
make him/her self sufficient by giving good culture, education, discipline, 
fighting spirit etc. and instead of this if you remain in the activities like 
prayer in temples/mosque and devote the time after god only is not the real 
dharma you are adopting. You carry on your duty sincerely and honestly you 
have to do at the different stages of life is the real dharma or religion.

As you say Nair brought the idols of Ram in this site (this is also myth and 
one kind of story only w/o authentification). However, if its true, than 
also statue is not important, by the excavation of land the sculpture found 
in digging is important.

Babri Masjid demolishen was also not good. But, there is historical place of 
Hindu lord Rama birth place deep routed in the mind of whole of India and 
the place of moscue where nothing was happening since years and remain idle, 
with broad mind, Muslim community should understand and would have given the place for building temple. This very long issue and repeated requests was 
denied by Babri committee. One time came Hindu got anxious and things 
happened.

if million of people’s feelings (aatha) will be their in particular place 
even where I and my ancester lived for even more than 100 years  and if 
there were few such traces of old manuments (temple or mosque) there I would 
be definitely pleased to give away that place for sake of million of people 
and in a way help to prevail peace. (though I don’t prefer to go to dirty 
temples, instead I prefer to go to wild life jungles since I believe nature 
is the best temple made by god).

Even Mr. Nehru can not be secular. Since his biased behavior towards Sheikh 
Abdullah (may be due to religious nature or friendship god knows) created 
the Kashmir problem. His policy towards Kashmir was guided by Sheikh 
Abdullah only. This is general persuasion may be I might be wrong. But, 
things happen on those days leads to this belief. He was even not listening 
to his fellow member also like Mr. Sardar Patel for this matter, who 
succeeded to do some extraordinary tough job after independence. Ignorance 
of Mr. Patel is still going on by congress or Nehru/Gandhi family. This 
might be the root of religionism and/or minor vote bank politics coming 
inherence in congress.

thanks
Bipin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Venugopalan K M" <kmvenuannur at gmail.com>
To: "sarai-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Ayodhya, a simple matter of adjudication and
courts and judiciary has failed the nation.

> What dispute? Who told you that Babrai Masjid belonged to Mr.Advani &Co?
> Who's he to be the (criminal )demolisher of the masid and the builder of
> ram
> temp le in the name of "all hindus" of India?
>
> Who told you that you and me should have any real stakes in  the
> destruction
> of that humble masjid(which had to stop namaz owing to the handiwork of
> few
> communalists and certain secularists like Nehru, who just wanted to stop
> trouble)?
>
> Actually, a Malayali Nair( K.K.Nair) who had been the dist magistratre of
> Faizabad in 1948 and a sympathizer of the anti-national RSS and killers of
> M.K.Gandhi is believed to have conspired to smuggle idols of Ram,Seetha
> and
> Hanuman in the dead of a december night..precisely on Dec 22-23,though I
> have to check the exact date, and later claiming these idols as "swayam
> bhu"(originated divinely and without human agency)!
>
> Granted that you and me have the freedom to believe any trash as history.
> But authentic historical studies have shown that nowhere in Ayodhya, Ram
> Temples were existing even in the times of Thulasidas(16th century) who
> wrote Ramcharitmanas!
>
> Go with more and more of trash..plz don't try to impose on others in your
> service (though it is welcome, because it exposes rather than conceals
> your
> commitment to the politics of hatred)to the hidutwa bigots!
>
> Let  the sense of refinement prevail on you  thanks to your being a member
> of this discussion forum and to your willingness to communicate to
> instantly
> whatever you "think"!
> btw, thanks for providing the  exact information on the
> measurement of the land which is pending to be handed over to ---------,
> because of "spineless judges" sitting there.
> Certainly it is not you or me who are the holders of stake,I think..
> Nor is it the entire hindus of India...
> Who could it be then you are so passionately and so blindly taking wakalat
> for?
>
>
> Regards,
> Venu.
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Rajen Uppinangadi <
> rajen882uppinangadi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The issue is simply the matter of adjudication of issue of ownership of
>> land
>> of admeasuring 42 feet by 65 feet, by the court of India, judges have
>> fudged
>> for decades as spineless individuals waiting for their promotion and made
>> this an emotive issue by the plitical parties for the vote banks.
>>
>> As to Advani and his rath yathra, it should be noted that rath yathra did
>> not start the communal riots, but stoppage of Rathyathra by lalu yadav
>> for
>> vote gains of community in his winning combination of MY equation started
>> the riots, the system of governance did nothing to punish those indulgig
>> in
>> riots but rewarded them with MLA and MP tickets, thus criminalisation
>> became
>> history of indian politics.
>>
>> What should have been disposed off as simple property suit, of a
>> scheduled
>> property, of a dilapidated structure, became masjid without prayers, to
>> become birth point of Lord rama, as if all were the midwifes at the
>> time.?
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