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[Inder Salim]

Dear Anupam

i  remember, i concluded my previous reflection deliberately with
LESSER EVIL, after reading the wonderful essay forwarded by Jeebesh

thanks for pointing out, but this is where we are stuck, and dont know
how to move forward

unless we mentally revolutionized ourselves for a change in our
respective styles of living, and approach to the other

till then, we are just  negotiating with the real evil,  indirectly,
as you said,

but then there is lot of imagined evil, and imagined virtue

which is more important to negotiate first,

we  are in fact in the process of knowing what has happened to us
during all these years of our respective pasts, personal, social and
historical....

we are  not confidently carrying forward that past, be it political,
historical or personal with us without doubt, and i guess,

all we need  is to bring this  DOUBT on the forefront, to let it guide
us about our immediate present(s),

i guess this cant happen if we dont have a spontaneous understanding
of love and universal love,

 what don’t you think?

 love
inder salim





On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:16 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi inder,
>
> the idea of lesser evil is such a temptation that in our quest for finding
> absolute governance and civility, we end up negotiating with the real evil
> -- the lesser one.
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Inder jee
>>
>> The question you have raised is that democratic states can also resort to
>> war. My contention is that this is due to lack of democracy actually. If
>> there really was democracy, before going to war, the govt. would have
>> conducted the referendum to find out whether people wanted the war to take
>> place or not. Of course, we could have debated the moral consequences of
>> what the people chose and what they didn't, but it would certainly ensure
>> that democracy prevails in taking decisions.
>>
>> But govts. the world over don't want to give this right to people as for
>> them, their contract agreement goes under threat. In many nations across
>> the
>> world, elections are a kind of contract given by people to let someone rule
>> for a period of 5 years, during which the person given the contract feels
>> he/she can take any decision as they please. And this is what has ruined
>> democracy.
>>
>> Therefore, it's not democracy, but the lack of it, which ensures such
>> situations.
>>
>> As for the BJP, I really pity them. So also the right wing people. They
>> constantly have a tendency to prove that they are masculine or Hindu
>> religion(and Hindus) must be masculine, so also for authoritarians.
>> Probably
>> they have some complex regarding that they are not masculine enough. They
>> have my sympathies for being pessimistic about themselves.
>>
>> And what's more, they have an attitude of dismissiveness and arrogance as
>> well (at least their major leaders show these tendencies). Forget ideology,
>> they probably would have this tendency in public life as well even on
>> personal relations. I don't know they can actually create a stronger state,
>> which is their professed goal (not exactly mine). After all, as I have said
>> earlier, unity is strength.
>>
>> Hence, even on the goal of making India a superpower, the RSS led parivar
>> is
>> going to lead to the opposite of their own professed goal.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rakesh
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