[Reader-list] BOYCOTT SECTARIAN AGENDAS

Sat Aug 1 00:16:29 IST 2009

Dear Murli,
I am really sorry to say the stories you have been posting about Murshidabad
are far from true. It is the perspective of someone who has a sectarian
understanding of the problem. You generalised the gang rivalry in the region
to the slaying of the hindus. The problem here lies in the fact in the
process of strenghtening your sectarian identity you tend to accomodate a
lot of devaints who could have otherwise found some gainful employment. Here
there were two agrarian gangs fighting for resources like terrorism,
manipulation and worst of all, lure of power with the help of fear and
threats.
I refuse to be manipulated. It is a personal protest demanding a fair play.
>From very close quarters, I have seen the sectarian identity functioning
seditiously, poisoning minds which could have done better than what they are
doing. I dont want my brethren to be blinded by the propaganda of fear from
the state's side or from gun runners. Insecurity drives people crazy. A
nation full of people, with their aspirations cannot be cheated to perform
such a heinous crime killing or plundering or looting. They inherently want
fair play although when manipulated, they needed to be told that there is no
point in worrying about who you are -- it is about what you are doing.
Sir, nation building is not an easy task. Do you think in a homogenous
society (as you speak for the Hindu community) you can stop the individual
aspirations? Lets say as a reaction you chased out devaints of all kinds,
and only your kinds exist, would you be able to control subversion? You
cannot afford to be unfair here.

I wont tell you about the multi-sectarian society and benefits that it
brings. Because you know what it means and since as a reaction, you have
also consciously chosen to deviate from such a possibility of multi racial
or sectarian society. But whether should i respect this deviance at the cost
of accomodating all the wrong doings is something that needs a philosophical
understanding. A historical and a subjective (i know this word is likely
displease several readers here) understanding always accomodates conflicts
as the prime reason for all creations sectarian or otherwise (from small
panchyats, to the demand for new railway stations to demand for a seperate
state hood). These reactions are provokative and instead of painful task of
solving these issues in light of rational solutions, it proposes an easier
victory over such ailments -- by destruction. It is from here, I said: "I
would rather prefer a keyboard or a pen than a sword. Here's an assurance to
you, the more you keep on discussing your sectarian agendas here I will keep
on presenting more issues which will be contrary to your claims." You are
most welcome to critique in the same rational, peaceful way not as someone
shouting "kill them all" in a discussion forums as this. Killing me is not
enough Sir.
- with warm regards
Anupam

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com> wrote:

> And I shall also try to counter every one of your claims.
> Regards,
> V Murali
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:16 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Rajen
>> You can go on and be sectarian. The moderator in this reader's list doesnt
>> seem to have a problem. And i respect your democratic rights sir that the
>> constitution guarantees you. I am just calling for a boycott of such
>> agendas.
>> I would rather prefer a keyboard or a pen than a sword. Here's an
>> assurance
>> to you, the more you keep on discussing your sectarian agendas here I will
>> keep on presenting more issues which will be contrary to your claims. Take
>> my word for that.
>> Best wishes
>> Anupam
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > sword is having both sides sharp.Your thoughts apply to all of us, as we
>> > post.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Rajen.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Rajen
>> >> why are u pointing people, naming them? has anybody named you rajen. i
>> >> guess
>> >> they (as in Taha and Javed) speak of it because you keep on questioning
>> >> them
>> >> pinpointing them all the time, makign generic statements against a
>> >> community
>> >> is something that you guys keep doing. i will never forget what you
>> said
>> >> to
>> >> meera rizvi (your surname suggest). first clean up your act then point
>> out
>> >> others
>> >> -anupam
>> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
>> >> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Dear Anupam jee,
>> >> >     who owns the hindu religion, it i universal way of life, so also
>> the
>> >> > islam, but why a taha, a javed speak for it, do they own islam.?If
>> any
>> >> of us
>> >> > talk of ills our seculars have ready question that we do not speak
>> for
>> >> > hindu, but they join to defend a husain for his right to express art
>> in
>> >> > deities in his style, but no right to art for his own faith.? Art is
>> >> > heartless when it is just art, but only commerce.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > Rajen.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:40 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> >> c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Dear Rajen,
>> >> >> My position has been same against all kinds of religious extremism.
>> >> along
>> >> >> with several other list members have been opposed to these issues.
>> if u
>> >> >> can
>> >> >> show me one instance which according to you contradicts my earlier
>> >> >> position,
>> >> >> then i would like withdraw this boycott call from my side. I wish to
>> >> argue
>> >> >> no more on this. i know you do not own hindu religion so my advice
>> is
>> >> that
>> >> >> u
>> >> >> should assuming this self styled of this religion and criticise
>> others.
>> >> i
>> >> >> do
>> >> >> not expect a change of heart from u but in case if that happens it
>> is
>> >> also
>> >> >> welcome.
>> >> >> - best wishes
>> >> >> anupam
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Rakesh Iyer <
>> rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Dear all
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I just read a story of the Panchatantra, and it seems to resonate
>> >> with
>> >> >> what
>> >> >> > one of my friends told yesterday: 'People change, they do, but
>> don't
>> >> >> force
>> >> >> > them to change. They take it at their ego'
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Here's hoping for that change one day from Murali ji, Rajen ji,
>> and
>> >> >> others
>> >> >> > of their like. And no more replies asking them to change or
>> >> criticizing
>> >> >> > them.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Regards
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Rakesh
>> >> >> >
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Rajen.
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> > Rajen.
>> >
>> >
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