[Reader-list] Temples Of Mirpur
Meera Rizvi
meera.rizvi at gmail.com
Sat Aug 1 15:52:37 IST 2009
Dear Rajendra,
You said:
'we have to understand that defence forces are not for law and order of any
state, but
for defending nation against aggression, and when they are used to law and
order issues and to fight deviant civilians who are criminals, how can they
verify about enemies of the nation against who they have to fight and others
who have to be defended by them.?
I totally agree. I believe that the majority of our armed forces are decent
people who have been handed a thankless task. But the question is, who
deployed them in Kashmir? What was the rationale behind shooting on peaceful
(or atleast unarmed) people protesting? Repression and violation of human
rights can only lead to fear and anger and create many more terrorists.
Therefore, before we even begin to dram of a Kashmir intgrated with the
Indian nation - the armed forces have to become protectors of Kashmiri
people. They must be deployed to guard borders, not govern civilians.
Regards,
Meera
On 8/1/09, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Meera ji,
> it is very absurd when one reads a few isolated cases of human wrongs by
> defence forces and glorification of axadi and jihasi activists as we have
> to
> understand that defence forces are not for law and order of any state, but
> for defending nation against aggression, and when they are used to law and
> order issues and to fight deviant civilians who are criminals, how can they
> verify about enemies of the nation against who they have to fight and
> others
> who have to be defended by them.?
>
> Armed forces are also made of humans from the same society that we live in,
> a soldier misbehaving with lady in Assam is taken care by rule of laws, a
> court martial, possible termination, but what happens to the axadi rascal
> who kills innocents with the help of "leaders" like mufti and mehbooba who
> lead violent protests and stone throwing, what should police do to such
> goon
> behaviour of elected persons.?.?
>
> After even sixty two years why are the persons and families forcibly
> evicted
> from their homes not settled back in their own homes in a federal
> state,.and
> tv channels making a big issue of a deviant party hopper actor and his
> late
> night parties not getting residence in any decent housing society.?
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
> rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sir, Why are you so concerned about a Roy and Setalwad, they are
> capable
> > of not only taking care of themselves and in addition they are capable of
> > being "independent" and "free"as they claim.!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rajen.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Pheeta Ram <pheeta.ram at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Don't worry guys, fingers that hit the keyboard can't pick a sword.
> >> Moreover, if we have a look at the discourses in the public sphere
> there
> >> hardly exists anything that would incite or lead to violence
> >> against these people. These celebrity intellectuals and activists are
> >> there
> >> for a purpose that serves
> >> the strategic operations of both the sides, if there are two sides. Just
> >> think of it, has anybody ever hurt
> >> Naom Chomsky? The fanatics have learnt from past mistakes. They know
> that
> >> certain people become
> >> everthemore dangerous after they are dead. Our society is already very
> >> very
> >> short of Heroes and role models
> >> .Morevoer, these activists have never been of any harm to anybody.Their
> >> parallel economies run on a studied
> >> stance: just don't go off the edge. This will take care of their ratings
> >> and
> >> save their skins too, ek khareedo to doosra muft!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Shuddha,
> >> >
> >> > Certainly. But the statement has ramifications far beyond the list.
> The
> >> > least that should be done, I think, is to alert Roy and Setalvad.
> >> > Although it may not trigger actual physical violence (as Sanjay
> thinks),
> >> > it may. One never knows.
> >> >
> >> > Tapas
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Shuddhabrata Sengupta wrote:
> >> > > Dear Tapas,
> >> > >
> >> > > This statement, below
> >> > >
> >> > >>> who so ever talks against india - kill him or her
> >> > >>> wipe out all antinational elements (including people like
> arundhati
> >> > >>> roy and
> >> > >>> tista settlewad)
> >> > >
> >> > > Is clearly an incitement to violence. And I think that the list, and
> >> the
> >> > > moderator, would do well to consider whether the person who has
> >> > > contributed this sentiment, in view of our previous discussions on a
> >> > > code of conduct for this list, should be allowed to stay on as a
> >> member.
> >> > >
> >> > > best
> >> > >
> >> > > Shuddha
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 31-Jul-09, at 12:07 PM, Tapas Ray wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I wonder if this kind of statement in a public or semi-public forum
> >> like
> >> > >> Sarai might appear as an incitement to violence in the eyes of the
> >> law.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Murali V wrote:
> >> > >>> Vedavati,
> >> > >>> How right you are.
> >> > >>> V Murali
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Vedavati Jogi
> >> > >>> <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com <mailto:vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>>wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> pawan,
> >> > >>>> before organizing attack on any mosque in 'indian occupied
> kashmir'
> >> > >>>> i suggest, you please throw these sickulars out of this country
> .
> >> > >>>> they are the main culprits
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> call jagmohan to govern the j & k,
> >> > >>>> give the military free hand
> >> > >>>> abrogate 370
> >> > >>>> who so ever talks against india - kill him or her
> >> > >>>> wipe out all antinational elements (including people like
> arundhati
> >> > >>>> roy and
> >> > >>>> tista settlewad)
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> problem will be solved in no time.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> vedavati
> >> > >>>> --- On Fri, 31/7/09, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com
> >> > >>>> <mailto:rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> From: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com
> >> > >>>> <mailto:rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>>
> >> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Temples Of Mirpur
> >> > >>>> To: "Murali V" <murali.chalam at gmail.com
> >> > >>>> <mailto:murali.chalam at gmail.com>>
> >> > >>>> Cc: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net <mailto:
> >> > reader-list at sarai.net>>
> >> > >>>> Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 1:22 AM
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> So Pawan ji, when are you planning to organize attacks on some
> >> mosques
> >> > >>>> across the country? Or will you limit yourself to IOK
> >> (Indian-occupied
> >> > >>>> Kashmir)?
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> > --
> > Rajen.
> >
> >
>
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> Rajen.
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