[Reader-list] Temples Of Mirpur

Sat Aug 1 20:06:28 IST 2009

Dear Partha

I am an Indian and I am a Nationalist. I am an Indian Nationalist. You will please therefore see my response (to you or to Vedavati or to Rakesh) in that backdrop.

1. Pawan is an Indian and so I do not find it illogical that he should refer to Pakistan Controlled Kashmir as POK (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir).  I would similarly not see it as illogical if a Pakistani referred to Indian Controlled Kashmir as IOK (Indian Occupied Kashmir)

    Rakesh is also supposed to be Indian and for an Indian to call it IOK is dissing of the Constitution of India in which J&K (both Indian and Pakistan controlled parts) is embedded as being a part of India. 

2. Totally agree with you that those who are "supposed to represent the nation (whether Police, Armed Forces, etc) and guard us takes a step that is an unethical one (and again I mean obviously unethical like murder or rape) - then they are doubly at fault since their position is one that we by default trust them."

As echoing your thoughts, in a 18/04/09 posting I had written:

"""""" A criminal commits a crime of a certain magnitude and so is called a criminal and is penalised in accordance with the magnitude of the crime committed. 

My personal belief is when those in whom the people have vested Power and Authority commit crimes that are an abuse of the Power and Authority vested in them, the magnitude of their crime should be judged as being exponentially more serious and should receive exponentially larger penalties. Such crimes are the "Greater Evil". """"""""

3. Also agree with you that "Anyone who takes away our freedom of speech is also 'anti-national' as that is a fundamental right".

    But, no freedom is 'absolute". Those who abuse the provided 'freedom of speech' for 'anti-national' purposes (in contravention of the Constitution of India that to start with provides the 'freedom' and may be subverted by such abuse) need to be held accountable for such 'abuse'. Who judges and adjucates on that? The "Executive' to the extent that it has empowered by the COI, otherwise a Court of Law.

4. For me as an Indian Nationalist (remembering that India is meant to be Secular and can only survive if it is Secular) religion should receive no acknowledgement or have any place in the public affairs. Any kind of Hate Mongering in whatever name should be dealt with immediately by prosecuting under the provisions of COI

Kshmendra

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Temples Of Mirpur
To: "Kshmendra Kaul" <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>, reader-list at sarai.net
Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 6:39 PM

Dear Kshmendra.

1.  Since the mail by Pawan that was responded to referred to 'POK' using 'IOK' as a response seems the proper route

2.  Personalities and snap responses aside, anybody who is supposed to represent the nation (whether Police, Armed Forces, etc)
    and guard us takes a step that is an unethical one (and again I mean obviously unethical like murder or rape) - then they are
    doubly at fault since their position is one that we by default trust them.

3.  Anyone who takes away our freedom of speech is also 'anti-national' as that is a fundamental right  

4.  Just because one person from any religion / nation, etc., makes a statement does not make them the representative
    of that group. I certainly wouldn't want Vedavati Jogi as a representative of my religion as I do not believe in that
    translation of being a Hindu.

Then again, you just said something quite similar...

Rgds, Partha
.......................
Partha Dasgupta
+919811047132Partha Dasgupta
+919811047132

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Vedavati

You have to be condemned for the words you have used and for asking people to be killed or wiped out.

I feel personaly slighted and disgusted with you because I had spoken very strongly against Oishik Sircar's directing sexually abusive language against you.

You have done worse than him. Shame on you.

No one has the right to arrogate unto himself (or herself) the right to take the life of another person, or to provoke or incite others to do so. No such Dharm-Yudh, Jihad or Crusade is acceptable be it for Religious, Political or Constitutional reasons.

Kshmendra 

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Temples Of Mirpur
To: "Rakesh Iyer" <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 9:26 AM

pawan,
before organizing attack on any mosque in 'indian occupied kashmir'
i suggest, you  please throw these sickulars out of this country .
they are the main culprits

call jagmohan to govern the j & k,
give the military free hand
abrogate 370
who so ever talks against india - kill him or her
wipe out all antinational elements (including people like arundhati roy and tista settlewad)

problem will be solved in no time.

vedavati
--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Temples Of Mirpur
To: "Murali V" <murali.chalam at gmail.com>
Cc: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 1:22 AM

So Pawan ji, when are you planning to organize attacks on some mosques
across the country? Or will you limit yourself to IOK (Indian-occupied
Kashmir)?
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