[Reader-list] Crime and No Punishment: Malegaon Blast Accused Get a Respite

[Murali V]

Dear Rakesh Ji,

Can a FATWA declared by the Mullahs and clerics be subject to public
debate.? Never and if anyone who does so is ostracized and some times goes
missing.

Some history on Akbar
"When Rana Udai Singh refused to give Mewar Princess to Akbar, the furious
emperor attacked the fort of Chitor, treacherously killed the generals Jail
Mal & Patta, and ordered a general massacre in the fort -- which ceased
ultimately only for lack of victims.  Over 30,000 Hindus, who had taken
refuge in the fort were slaughtered, according to Abul Fazl, and the looted
sacred gold-threads of the butchered weighed over 200 Kgs.  The 'slaughter',
besides being vengeance, had the Mughal policy behind it:  The greater the
resistance, the greater the retaliation was the Mughal Rule, to strike
terror in potential adversaries and cripple the Hindus' will to fight back.
When Udai Sing's son Rana Pratap refused to be a 'puppet vassal' -- Akbar
again invaded Mewar, inflicting terrible atrocities on the Mewaris.  The
dual policy of his towards Rajputs -- high rewards to the submissive vassals
and 'relentless carnage' of those who opposed -- soon brought almost all
Rajasthan under his control.  For the survival of the citizens, the Hindu
kings were forced to offer Princesses to the Mughal's Harem."

The Seventh day Advantists are on a conversion spree. Please review the url
to look at the poster which was put-up outside a sevent day advantist
church.
*"Advent Christian Church Building at Tiruvanmiyur. See the cloth
poster displaying
in Tamil ‘Christuva Brahmana Seva Samithy’*"

The poster has been put up by* ‘Christuva Brahmana Seva Samithy’, *announcing
that there is going to be a* ‘Kathaa Kaalakshepam’ *by* Poojyasri Bhagavatar
Vedanaayakam Shastrikal on 8-8-2009 (Saturday) *at* 5 PM *at the* Advent
Christian Church *premises. The main man behind this initiative is
one*Sadhu Chellappa
*who is endevouring to beat the conversion record of* St Francis Xavier
(1605-1552) *in* *Goa* *and elsewhere in India in the 16th century,* Robert
de Nobili (1577-1656) *in* *Madurai in the 17th century, *Fr Schwartz
(1726-1798)* in Thanjavur District in the 18th Century and*  Bishop Caldwell
(1814-1891) *in* *Thirunelveli District in* *the 19th Century.

What angered the enlightened Hindus of* Thiruvanmiyur *is that the* Advent
Christian Church *is misusing the *name* (and of course caste!!!) and other
symbols of the* Brahmin community *in order to use them as a ploy to mislead
and deceive young Hindu men and women in general and* Brahmins* in
particular, in order to *lure* them into the* commercial trap of treacherous
missionary Christianity.*

With such nefarious activities happenning, and the so called secular Govt.
is silent, what do you expect.

Regards,
V MUrali

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Murali jee
>
> Even the launch and supply of certain products can bring about a public
> debate, such as the distress sale of houses (after say riots or pogroms), or
> the sale of commodities (in particular, say the sale of Tata Nano, which can
> contribute in a vast manner to pollution, or the kind of subsidies granted
> to it), or other things as well. And whether a dispute exists or not,
> depends on the kind of value systems one wishes to look at. From the
> Hindutva based system or simply an economic system which only considers
> matters of personal income as of utmost importance, there may not be any
> angle from which a dispute exists. But from different other systems (say
> secularist, rights-based, capabilities approach of Sen or others), there
> could be disputes as well.
>
> It is up to you or others individually to take their own side of the
> divide. I have already taken mine.
>
> Most importantly, the claims which RSS professes, preaches and asks to
> practice are issues which have to be substantially debated in public, and
> then citizens should be allowed to choose as they wish. Otherwise, we will
> simply witness more pub attacks of the kind seen in Mangalore. If the RSS
> feels that women going to pubs is wrong, it should initiate a discussion and
> debate on the same in public, otherwise people who believe in similar
> ideologies, even if belonging to different organizations, would take law and
> order in their own hands and indulge in similar theatrics (irrespective of
> whether law does take its just course or not).
>
> And as for tolerance, Akbar can be considered to be the second-most
> tolerating king of India after Ashoka. Of course, it may be difficult for
> you to digest that, but this is what Akbar said in the year of 1591-1592,
> when the Muslim Hijra calendar completed its 1000 years: (I directly quote
> from Sen's book 'Development As Freedom' again for this)
>
> 'If a Hindu, when a child or otherwise, had been made a Muslim against his
> will, he is to be allowed, if he pleased, to go back to the religion of his
> fathers'
>
> The strangest part is that Akbar actually argued for the 'forcible
> repatriation of a young Hindu woman to her father's family if she had
> abandoned it in pursuit of a Muslim lover.' And this stand is similar to
> VHP's stand that Muslim men must not be friends or lovers or husbands of
> Hindu women. Great similarities indeed!! (And hence Akbar was even tolerant
> of VHP's view of today. Of course, Sen is critical of this argument, and so
> am I. )
>
> Of course, there were other kings as well who did practice toleration,
> though they used religion in their political affairs also as a policy of
> appeasement, to please the Muslim clerics. Of course, the clerics also
> accused them of the same, like now some of the people accuse the
> 'secularist' parties. (I am not denying that claim, but a large part of the
> claim seems to be far-fetched).
>
> I do not deny the claims of destruction of temples on grand scale or forced
> conversion of Hindus, but I can't accept those to be the criterion for
> mistrust of today's Muslims living across the world and in the Indian state.
> Neither can I accept that contention that Muslims deserve a similar
> treatment as to what some of their ancestors did. It's like saying that the
> Hindus should be bombed for the heinous crimes committed by VHP and Bajrang
> Dal or other Hindu organizations across various riots.
>
> Regards
>
> Rakesh
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