[Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn

[anupam chakravartty]

Dear Mr Malik,
with your skewed metaphor of rebuking a child, i am sure you are a
neighbourhood bully or something like that. you should be jailed for beating
up children in your neighbourhood. :)
Actually what are trying to say? That people from majority are also
discriminated. Offcourse they are but it can only happen when they (in
whatever situation) the person from the majority community is singled out or
marginalised or weak. It doesnt have to be an attack from minority (which is
religious). But keeping that aspect in mind, the privileges for the
minorities have been extended because they can participate in the
functioning of the nation. dont think that you only have the right to go and
rebuke other's children. and please do not beat up your child and turn him
into a goon. ok?
-anupam

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:15 PM, A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Mr Anupam,
>                  It seems you have mixed up the issue of
> discrimination.What are you are writing for a phone booth doesn't come from
> a Statute book, it is pure commercial sense and economics. You don't have a
> right to have a telephone booth installed even if you don't like carrying a
> Mobile Phone. But you do have a right if you are discriminated against under
> Art 14 of the Constitution. In case of minorities as you have read there is
> the Minorities Commission where ONLY minority religion person can be a
> complainant.My only appeal was that such a Commission should be available to
> all citizens including majority.What is wrong with this? Have you never seen
> any majority person being discriminated against? OUR country is perhaps the
> only one in this world where minorities have more rights and priviledges
> LEGALLY than the majority and there are more proponents of these priviledges
> to minorities.(Realty may perhaps be different).
> I understand the real situation-if you rebuke your own child, it is no
> issue at all,but if you do the same to your neighbour's child it is a big
> issue and can even be taken to a Minorities Commission if the child happens
> to be  from minority.
> Regards,
> (A.K.MALIK)
>
>
> --- On Wed, 8/12/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn
> > To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 1:35 AM
> > Dear Malik jee,
> > The idea of having reverse discrimination can only be
> > realised if there is
> > discrimination. We do have a judiciary to take care of
> > that. The idea of
> > discrimination is an elusive one. There can be also
> > discrimination against
> > people who do not want to use a mobile phone and instead
> > depends on Public
> > Call Booths because the larger society opted for cellular
> > phones. How have
> > we accomodated people without mobile phones in the society?
> > But not many us
> > are ready to complain because we accomodate technological
> > marvels of certain
> > group of people involved in designing them for us so that
> > it brings us
> > benefits. But we do have the right to reject them on the
> > grounds that I dont
> > want to be mobile with a phone, of all things. So what am i
> > left with? Say I
> > am stuck in East of Kailash, and there is not a single
> > phone booth around
> > here to make a phone call. I have the option of walking
> > only ( as i have
> > only twenty bucks in my pocket) to AIIMS. I bet my last
> > tenner for you, i am
> > sure you can theorise on this.
> > What you call small means a lot to me. Someone getting
> > discriminated doesnt
> > have to neccesarily conform to vote bank politics. I guess
> > such arguments
> > can also exist independently out of the mainstream
> > political scenario. A
> > person not getting a shelter because of a societal rule in
> > an urban area
> > where crores of people work, get their wages, steal, beg,
> > borrow, live, shit
> > is something horrible.
> > -Anupam
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:58 AM, A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Mr Sengupta,
> > >
> >   What I wanted to emphasize was small issues do come
> > up and
> > > they need not necessarily be taken as being based on
> > religion.The example I
> > > gave was to let the people know if you a right, others
> > too have a right. In
> > > the experience of the Society, to the best of my
> > knowledge Muslims were not
> > > barred.I never made an issue because I understand the
> > people who have formed
> > > a Society have certain rights.Even if I wished to make
> > an issue, I couldn't
> > > have because I belong to the majority community and as
> > such have no
> > > Commission where I could have made a complaint.
> > > Don't you think the reverse discrimination never
> > happens, but I have yet to
> > > see anyone highlighting it.
> > > Would not it have been more appropriate if the Govt
> > had created a
> > > Discrimination Commission( or Anti-Discrimination
> > Commission) where every
> > > citizen who was discriminated against could go and
> > file an application
> > > instead of a Minorities Commission  and such
> > other Commissions? But ,Sir
> > > that won't have given the ruling political party vote
> > banks.
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > (A.K.MALIK)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes
> > a U turn
> > > > To: "Readers list Yousuf Sarai." <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 6:00 PM
> > > > Hashmi dd not complaint against one
> > > > person alone, being a popular actor, especially
> > in the
> > > > present youth he forwarded a point. There's
> > nothing wrong in
> > > > not lending your house to a mohammadan. There's
> > nothing wron
> > > > when a MOHAMMEDAN STANDS AND SHELTERS EXCLUSIVELY
> > ANOTHER,
> > > > BE HE A TERRORIST! I do not support terrorist but
> > if your
> > > > logic alone need work, sheltering terrorist is nt
> > a crime. .
> > > > ......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
> > > > To: Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>;
> > > > Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > > > Cc: Sarai List <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009 3:15:02 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes
> > a U turn
> > > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > > Thanks for your interesting comments which does
> > not let one
> > > > fall silent.
> > > > Let me go by your arguments, a group of Brahmins,
> > possibly
> > > > marathis who are vegetarians.
> > > > So, what makes up a hindu bramhin, things he /she
> > does, a
> > > > lower acste what they do.......
> > > > One wont believe it nowadays, but more than five
> > decades
> > > > ago, Muslims were marked by their consumption of
> > onion, and
> > > > in reverse, only lower caste and Muslims swere
> > supposed to
> > > > consume raw onions! Then I assume these BRahmins,
> > or god
> > > > knows whoever they are; are discriminating
> > against not only
> > > > muslims
> > alone...........................................
> > > > Fine for those who believe Constitution is just
> > another book
> > > > of rules which need to be bent as we like,
> > Article on
> > > > equality is very clear on this, but for those who
> > look for
> > > > social consciousness and outcomes, it's not just
> > > > distracting, but rather alarming. How will these
> > people live
> > > > when one of their daughter's shall reveal she has
> > had had
> > > > sex with a mohammedan and a christian, apart from
> > 3 other
> > > > hindu boys? Will then they resort to more basic
> > methods of
> > > > public retribution and disgracing? Alas.
> > Interestingly
> > > > nether the fal wallahs nor the sweepers are
> > > > Brahmins........... As for Beef consumption,
> > > > Consumption of nothing in my house can make yours
> > impure,
> > > > these society wallahs, should have more sense
> > than
> > > > conducting Raam Leelas, Hanuman pujas , where
> > interestingly
> > > > revel is there, something which they stay should
> > be behind
> > > > doors.,...........
> > > > I have beef inside my house no strong smell
> > disturrrbs you,
> > > > it's finer than lift does not work, water supply
> > does not
> > > > come, to the latter they should restrict their
> > problem. What
> > > > about consumption of liquor. Then they should
> > have things
> > > > like surprise checks. Let me not go into
> > frivolous things,
> > > > if the argument is correct, they are actually
> > committing a
> > > > bigger crime, a prejudice and friction against a
> > bigger
> > > > section of society.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About Hashmi:
> > > > Any one who now a days stands up is first accused
> > of trying
> > > > to attain cheap publicity, even shiny ahuja's
> > maid! Fine as
> > > > a statement from dominant ones who'd else loose
> > power, but
> > > > we buying into such things. Things are pretty
> > clear it is
> > > > assumed.......(on what basis?)
> > > >
> > > > He has been a bold-based actor. Is it less
> > amusing that
> > > > his case such people as who date married, women,
> > bring in
> > > > joys, challenge social perceptions, or even do
> > bold roles in
> > > > movies are cheap. But lest be sure lets pass one
> > resolution,
> > > > they are not prostitutes, many of us would have
> > to apply for
> > > > license then, being students orf social
> > > > experiments..........
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,(hopefully I got more audience for this
> > despicable,
> > > > cheap actor who behaves like what onstage)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > & LOVE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Subhrodip
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>
> > > > To: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > > > Cc: Sarai List <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009 1:33:10 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes
> > a U turn
> > > >
> > > > If I were to explain further on Malik's
> > statement, If
> > > > somebody is rejected
> > > > because of being a non-vegetarian, and if the
> > person
> > > > happens to belong to a
> > > > minority community, I am sure, it would be
> > twisted to be
> > > > one because of
> > > > being in the community and all hell would be let
> > loose by
> > > > the
> > > > Pseudo-seculars and the media.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > V Murali
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Rakesh Iyer
> > <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I only hope it's for the sake of disallowing
> > the
> > > > non-vegetarians and not
> > > > > for disallowing the Muslims.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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