[Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn

[Murali V]

Ignoring is the best form of response.
Regards,V Murali

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:44 PM, A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Please Mr Anupam,
>                    Stop making silly comments and mind your language.I have
> not used any intemperate language. In a civil society you are supposed to be
> decent in language especially in discussion fora.If you have not been able
> to understand the analogy, it is not my fault.I will still advise you not to
> be personal. However, as a precaution, I will see not to respond to you in
> future.
> Still with regards,
>
> (A.K.MALIK)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn
> > To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 12:49 PM
> > Dear Mr Malik,
> > with your skewed metaphor of rebuking a child, i am sure
> > you are a
> > neighbourhood bully or something like that. you should be
> > jailed for beating
> > up children in your neighbourhood. :)
> > Actually what are trying to say? That people from majority
> > are also
> > discriminated. Offcourse they are but it can only happen
> > when they (in
> > whatever situation) the person from the majority community
> > is singled out or
> > marginalised or weak. It doesnt have to be an attack from
> > minority (which is
> > religious). But keeping that aspect in mind, the privileges
> > for the
> > minorities have been extended because they can participate
> > in the
> > functioning of the nation. dont think that you only have
> > the right to go and
> > rebuke other's children. and please do not beat up your
> > child and turn him
> > into a goon. ok?
> > -anupam
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:15 PM, A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Mr Anupam,
> > >
> >   It seems you have mixed up the issue of
> > > discrimination.What are you are writing for a phone
> > booth doesn't come from
> > > a Statute book, it is pure commercial sense and
> > economics. You don't have a
> > > right to have a telephone booth installed even if you
> > don't like carrying a
> > > Mobile Phone. But you do have a right if you are
> > discriminated against under
> > > Art 14 of the Constitution. In case of minorities as
> > you have read there is
> > > the Minorities Commission where ONLY minority religion
> > person can be a
> > > complainant.My only appeal was that such a Commission
> > should be available to
> > > all citizens including majority.What is wrong with
> > this? Have you never seen
> > > any majority person being discriminated against? OUR
> > country is perhaps the
> > > only one in this world where minorities have more
> > rights and priviledges
> > > LEGALLY than the majority and there are more
> > proponents of these priviledges
> > > to minorities.(Realty may perhaps be different).
> > > I understand the real situation-if you rebuke your own
> > child, it is no
> > > issue at all,but if you do the same to your
> > neighbour's child it is a big
> > > issue and can even be taken to a Minorities Commission
> > if the child happens
> > > to be  from minority.
> > > Regards,
> > > (A.K.MALIK)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 8/12/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes
> > a U turn
> > > > To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 1:35 AM
> > > > Dear Malik jee,
> > > > The idea of having reverse discrimination can
> > only be
> > > > realised if there is
> > > > discrimination. We do have a judiciary to take
> > care of
> > > > that. The idea of
> > > > discrimination is an elusive one. There can be
> > also
> > > > discrimination against
> > > > people who do not want to use a mobile phone and
> > instead
> > > > depends on Public
> > > > Call Booths because the larger society opted for
> > cellular
> > > > phones. How have
> > > > we accomodated people without mobile phones in
> > the society?
> > > > But not many us
> > > > are ready to complain because we accomodate
> > technological
> > > > marvels of certain
> > > > group of people involved in designing them for us
> > so that
> > > > it brings us
> > > > benefits. But we do have the right to reject them
> > on the
> > > > grounds that I dont
> > > > want to be mobile with a phone, of all things. So
> > what am i
> > > > left with? Say I
> > > > am stuck in East of Kailash, and there is not a
> > single
> > > > phone booth around
> > > > here to make a phone call. I have the option of
> > walking
> > > > only ( as i have
> > > > only twenty bucks in my pocket) to AIIMS. I bet
> > my last
> > > > tenner for you, i am
> > > > sure you can theorise on this.
> > > > What you call small means a lot to me. Someone
> > getting
> > > > discriminated doesnt
> > > > have to neccesarily conform to vote bank
> > politics. I guess
> > > > such arguments
> > > > can also exist independently out of the
> > mainstream
> > > > political scenario. A
> > > > person not getting a shelter because of a
> > societal rule in
> > > > an urban area
> > > > where crores of people work, get their wages,
> > steal, beg,
> > > > borrow, live, shit
> > > > is something horrible.
> > > > -Anupam
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:58 AM, A.K. Malik
> > <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Mr Sengupta,
> > > > >
> > > >   What I wanted to emphasize was
> > small issues do come
> > > > up and
> > > > > they need not necessarily be taken as being
> > based on
> > > > religion.The example I
> > > > > gave was to let the people know if you a
> > right, others
> > > > too have a right. In
> > > > > the experience of the Society, to the best
> > of my
> > > > knowledge Muslims were not
> > > > > barred.I never made an issue because I
> > understand the
> > > > people who have formed
> > > > > a Society have certain rights.Even if I
> > wished to make
> > > > an issue, I couldn't
> > > > > have because I belong to the majority
> > community and as
> > > > such have no
> > > > > Commission where I could have made a
> > complaint.
> > > > > Don't you think the reverse discrimination
> > never
> > > > happens, but I have yet to
> > > > > see anyone highlighting it.
> > > > > Would not it have been more appropriate if
> > the Govt
> > > > had created a
> > > > > Discrimination Commission( or
> > Anti-Discrimination
> > > > Commission) where every
> > > > > citizen who was discriminated against could
> > go and
> > > > file an application
> > > > > instead of a Minorities Commission  and
> > such
> > > > other Commissions? But ,Sir
> > > > > that won't have given the ruling political
> > party vote
> > > > banks.
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > (A.K.MALIK)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, subhrodip sengupta
> > <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran
> > Hashmi takes
> > > > a U turn
> > > > > > To: "Readers list Yousuf Sarai." <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 6:00
> > PM
> > > > > > Hashmi dd not complaint against one
> > > > > > person alone, being a popular actor,
> > especially
> > > > in the
> > > > > > present youth he forwarded a point.
> > There's
> > > > nothing wrong in
> > > > > > not lending your house to a mohammadan.
> > There's
> > > > nothing wron
> > > > > > when a MOHAMMEDAN STANDS AND SHELTERS
> > EXCLUSIVELY
> > > > ANOTHER,
> > > > > > BE HE A TERRORIST! I do not support
> > terrorist but
> > > > if your
> > > > > > logic alone need work, sheltering
> > terrorist is nt
> > > > a crime. .
> > > > > > ......
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
> > > > > > To: Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>;
> > > > > > Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > > > > > Cc: Sarai List <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009 3:15:02
> > PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran
> > Hashmi takes
> > > > a U turn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > > Thanks for your interesting comments
> > which does
> > > > not let one
> > > > > > fall silent.
> > > > > > Let me go by your arguments, a group of
> > Brahmins,
> > > > possibly
> > > > > > marathis who are vegetarians.
> > > > > > So, what makes up a hindu bramhin,
> > things he /she
> > > > does, a
> > > > > > lower acste what they do.......
> > > > > > One wont believe it nowadays, but more
> > than five
> > > > decades
> > > > > > ago, Muslims were marked by their
> > consumption of
> > > > onion, and
> > > > > > in reverse, only lower caste and
> > Muslims swere
> > > > supposed to
> > > > > > consume raw onions! Then I assume these
> > BRahmins,
> > > > or god
> > > > > > knows whoever they are; are
> > discriminating
> > > > against not only
> > > > > > muslims
> > > > alone...........................................
> > > > > > Fine for those who believe Constitution
> > is just
> > > > another book
> > > > > > of rules which need to be bent as we
> > like,
> > > > Article on
> > > > > > equality is very clear on this, but for
> > those who
> > > > look for
> > > > > > social consciousness and outcomes, it's
> > not just
> > > > > > distracting, but rather alarming. How
> > will these
> > > > people live
> > > > > > when one of their daughter's shall
> > reveal she has
> > > > had had
> > > > > > sex with a mohammedan and a christian,
> > apart from
> > > > 3 other
> > > > > > hindu boys? Will then they resort to
> > more basic
> > > > methods of
> > > > > > public retribution and disgracing?
> > Alas.
> > > > Interestingly
> > > > > > nether the fal wallahs nor the sweepers
> > are
> > > > > > Brahmins........... As for Beef
> > consumption,
> > > > > > Consumption of nothing in my house can
> > make yours
> > > > impure,
> > > > > > these society wallahs, should have more
> > sense
> > > > than
> > > > > > conducting Raam Leelas, Hanuman pujas ,
> > where
> > > > interestingly
> > > > > > revel is there, something which they
> > stay should
> > > > be behind
> > > > > > doors.,...........
> > > > > > I have beef inside my house no strong
> > smell
> > > > disturrrbs you,
> > > > > > it's finer than lift does not work,
> > water supply
> > > > does not
> > > > > > come, to the latter they should
> > restrict their
> > > > problem. What
> > > > > > about consumption of liquor. Then they
> > should
> > > > have things
> > > > > > like surprise checks. Let me not go
> > into
> > > > frivolous things,
> > > > > > if the argument is correct, they are
> > actually
> > > > committing a
> > > > > > bigger crime, a prejudice and friction
> > against a
> > > > bigger
> > > > > > section of society.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About Hashmi:
> > > > > > Any one who now a days stands up is
> > first accused
> > > > of trying
> > > > > > to attain cheap publicity, even shiny
> > ahuja's
> > > > maid! Fine as
> > > > > > a statement from dominant ones who'd
> > else loose
> > > > power, but
> > > > > > we buying into such things. Things are
> > pretty
> > > > clear it is
> > > > > > assumed.......(on what basis?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He has been a bold-based actor. Is it
> > less
> > > > amusing that
> > > > > > his case such people as who date
> > married, women,
> > > > bring in
> > > > > > joys, challenge social perceptions, or
> > even do
> > > > bold roles in
> > > > > > movies are cheap. But lest be sure lets
> > pass one
> > > > resolution,
> > > > > > they are not prostitutes, many of us
> > would have
> > > > to apply for
> > > > > > license then, being students orf
> > social
> > > > > > experiments..........
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,(hopefully I got more audience
> > for this
> > > > despicable,
> > > > > > cheap actor who behaves like what
> > onstage)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > & LOVE
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Subhrodip
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>
> > > > > > To: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > > > > > Cc: Sarai List <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009 1:33:10
> > PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran
> > Hashmi takes
> > > > a U turn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I were to explain further on
> > Malik's
> > > > statement, If
> > > > > > somebody is rejected
> > > > > > because of being a non-vegetarian, and
> > if the
> > > > person
> > > > > > happens to belong to a
> > > > > > minority community, I am sure, it would
> > be
> > > > twisted to be
> > > > > > one because of
> > > > > > being in the community and all hell
> > would be let
> > > > loose by
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > Pseudo-seculars and the media.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > V Murali
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Rakesh
> > Iyer
> > > > <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I only hope it's for the sake of
> > disallowing
> > > > the
> > > > > > non-vegetarians and not
> > > > > > > for disallowing the Muslims.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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