[Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn

bipin aliens at dataone.in
Fri Aug 14 11:25:57 IST 2009 

Dear Malik,

Anupam is like that only never accepts gracefully others view and will 
impose the views that he is only correct. He is very rough and I have also 
bad experience in the past and stopped communicate with him due to his 
rudeness.

In India, those who speaks for minor community consider themselves as 
secular, but actually they are pseudo-secular only. Those who speak for 
Indians which includes minority also are consider to be communal.

thanks
Bipin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A.K. Malik" <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
To: "anupam chakravartty" <c.anupam at gmail.com>
Cc: "Sarai List" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn


> Please Mr Anupam,
>                    Stop making silly comments and mind your language.I 
> have not used any intemperate language. In a civil society you are 
> supposed to be decent in language especially in discussion fora.If you 
> have not been able to understand the analogy, it is not my fault.I will 
> still advise you not to be personal. However, as a precaution, I will see 
> not to respond to you in future.
> Still with regards,
>
> (A.K.MALIK)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes a U turn
>> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 12:49 PM
>> Dear Mr Malik,
>> with your skewed metaphor of rebuking a child, i am sure
>> you are a
>> neighbourhood bully or something like that. you should be
>> jailed for beating
>> up children in your neighbourhood. :)
>> Actually what are trying to say? That people from majority
>> are also
>> discriminated. Offcourse they are but it can only happen
>> when they (in
>> whatever situation) the person from the majority community
>> is singled out or
>> marginalised or weak. It doesnt have to be an attack from
>> minority (which is
>> religious). But keeping that aspect in mind, the privileges
>> for the
>> minorities have been extended because they can participate
>> in the
>> functioning of the nation. dont think that you only have
>> the right to go and
>> rebuke other's children. and please do not beat up your
>> child and turn him
>> into a goon. ok?
>> -anupam
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:15 PM, A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Mr Anupam,
>> >
>> It seems you have mixed up the issue of
>> > discrimination.What are you are writing for a phone
>> booth doesn't come from
>> > a Statute book, it is pure commercial sense and
>> economics. You don't have a
>> > right to have a telephone booth installed even if you
>> don't like carrying a
>> > Mobile Phone. But you do have a right if you are
>> discriminated against under
>> > Art 14 of the Constitution. In case of minorities as
>> you have read there is
>> > the Minorities Commission where ONLY minority religion
>> person can be a
>> > complainant.My only appeal was that such a Commission
>> should be available to
>> > all citizens including majority.What is wrong with
>> this? Have you never seen
>> > any majority person being discriminated against? OUR
>> country is perhaps the
>> > only one in this world where minorities have more
>> rights and priviledges
>> > LEGALLY than the majority and there are more
>> proponents of these priviledges
>> > to minorities.(Realty may perhaps be different).
>> > I understand the real situation-if you rebuke your own
>> child, it is no
>> > issue at all,but if you do the same to your
>> neighbour's child it is a big
>> > issue and can even be taken to a Minorities Commission
>> if the child happens
>> > to be from minority.
>> > Regards,
>> > (A.K.MALIK)
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Wed, 8/12/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran Hashmi takes
>> a U turn
>> > > To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 1:35 AM
>> > > Dear Malik jee,
>> > > The idea of having reverse discrimination can
>> only be
>> > > realised if there is
>> > > discrimination. We do have a judiciary to take
>> care of
>> > > that. The idea of
>> > > discrimination is an elusive one. There can be
>> also
>> > > discrimination against
>> > > people who do not want to use a mobile phone and
>> instead
>> > > depends on Public
>> > > Call Booths because the larger society opted for
>> cellular
>> > > phones. How have
>> > > we accomodated people without mobile phones in
>> the society?
>> > > But not many us
>> > > are ready to complain because we accomodate
>> technological
>> > > marvels of certain
>> > > group of people involved in designing them for us
>> so that
>> > > it brings us
>> > > benefits. But we do have the right to reject them
>> on the
>> > > grounds that I dont
>> > > want to be mobile with a phone, of all things. So
>> what am i
>> > > left with? Say I
>> > > am stuck in East of Kailash, and there is not a
>> single
>> > > phone booth around
>> > > here to make a phone call. I have the option of
>> walking
>> > > only ( as i have
>> > > only twenty bucks in my pocket) to AIIMS. I bet
>> my last
>> > > tenner for you, i am
>> > > sure you can theorise on this.
>> > > What you call small means a lot to me. Someone
>> getting
>> > > discriminated doesnt
>> > > have to neccesarily conform to vote bank
>> politics. I guess
>> > > such arguments
>> > > can also exist independently out of the
>> mainstream
>> > > political scenario. A
>> > > person not getting a shelter because of a
>> societal rule in
>> > > an urban area
>> > > where crores of people work, get their wages,
>> steal, beg,
>> > > borrow, live, shit
>> > > is something horrible.
>> > > -Anupam
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:58 AM, A.K. Malik
>> <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Dear Mr Sengupta,
>> > > >
>> > > What I wanted to emphasize was
>> small issues do come
>> > > up and
>> > > > they need not necessarily be taken as being
>> based on
>> > > religion.The example I
>> > > > gave was to let the people know if you a
>> right, others
>> > > too have a right. In
>> > > > the experience of the Society, to the best
>> of my
>> > > knowledge Muslims were not
>> > > > barred.I never made an issue because I
>> understand the
>> > > people who have formed
>> > > > a Society have certain rights.Even if I
>> wished to make
>> > > an issue, I couldn't
>> > > > have because I belong to the majority
>> community and as
>> > > such have no
>> > > > Commission where I could have made a
>> complaint.
>> > > > Don't you think the reverse discrimination
>> never
>> > > happens, but I have yet to
>> > > > see anyone highlighting it.
>> > > > Would not it have been more appropriate if
>> the Govt
>> > > had created a
>> > > > Discrimination Commission( or
>> Anti-Discrimination
>> > > Commission) where every
>> > > > citizen who was discriminated against could
>> go and
>> > > file an application
>> > > > instead of a Minorities Commission and
>> such
>> > > other Commissions? But ,Sir
>> > > > that won't have given the ruling political
>> party vote
>> > > banks.
>> > > > Regards,
>> > > >
>> > > > (A.K.MALIK)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, subhrodip sengupta
>> <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > From: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran
>> Hashmi takes
>> > > a U turn
>> > > > > To: "Readers list Yousuf Sarai." <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > > > > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 6:00
>> PM
>> > > > > Hashmi dd not complaint against one
>> > > > > person alone, being a popular actor,
>> especially
>> > > in the
>> > > > > present youth he forwarded a point.
>> There's
>> > > nothing wrong in
>> > > > > not lending your house to a mohammadan.
>> There's
>> > > nothing wron
>> > > > > when a MOHAMMEDAN STANDS AND SHELTERS
>> EXCLUSIVELY
>> > > ANOTHER,
>> > > > > BE HE A TERRORIST! I do not support
>> terrorist but
>> > > if your
>> > > > > logic alone need work, sheltering
>> terrorist is nt
>> > > a crime. .
>> > > > > ......
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ________________________________
>> > > > > From: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
>> > > > > To: Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>;
>> > > > > Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>> > > > > Cc: Sarai List <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009 3:15:02
>> PM
>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran
>> Hashmi takes
>> > > a U turn
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Dear all,
>> > > > > Thanks for your interesting comments
>> which does
>> > > not let one
>> > > > > fall silent.
>> > > > > Let me go by your arguments, a group of
>> Brahmins,
>> > > possibly
>> > > > > marathis who are vegetarians.
>> > > > > So, what makes up a hindu bramhin,
>> things he /she
>> > > does, a
>> > > > > lower acste what they do.......
>> > > > > One wont believe it nowadays, but more
>> than five
>> > > decades
>> > > > > ago, Muslims were marked by their
>> consumption of
>> > > onion, and
>> > > > > in reverse, only lower caste and
>> Muslims swere
>> > > supposed to
>> > > > > consume raw onions! Then I assume these
>> BRahmins,
>> > > or god
>> > > > > knows whoever they are; are
>> discriminating
>> > > against not only
>> > > > > muslims
>> > > alone...........................................
>> > > > > Fine for those who believe Constitution
>> is just
>> > > another book
>> > > > > of rules which need to be bent as we
>> like,
>> > > Article on
>> > > > > equality is very clear on this, but for
>> those who
>> > > look for
>> > > > > social consciousness and outcomes, it's
>> not just
>> > > > > distracting, but rather alarming. How
>> will these
>> > > people live
>> > > > > when one of their daughter's shall
>> reveal she has
>> > > had had
>> > > > > sex with a mohammedan and a christian,
>> apart from
>> > > 3 other
>> > > > > hindu boys? Will then they resort to
>> more basic
>> > > methods of
>> > > > > public retribution and disgracing?
>> Alas.
>> > > Interestingly
>> > > > > nether the fal wallahs nor the sweepers
>> are
>> > > > > Brahmins........... As for Beef
>> consumption,
>> > > > > Consumption of nothing in my house can
>> make yours
>> > > impure,
>> > > > > these society wallahs, should have more
>> sense
>> > > than
>> > > > > conducting Raam Leelas, Hanuman pujas ,
>> where
>> > > interestingly
>> > > > > revel is there, something which they
>> stay should
>> > > be behind
>> > > > > doors.,...........
>> > > > > I have beef inside my house no strong
>> smell
>> > > disturrrbs you,
>> > > > > it's finer than lift does not work,
>> water supply
>> > > does not
>> > > > > come, to the latter they should
>> restrict their
>> > > problem. What
>> > > > > about consumption of liquor. Then they
>> should
>> > > have things
>> > > > > like surprise checks. Let me not go
>> into
>> > > frivolous things,
>> > > > > if the argument is correct, they are
>> actually
>> > > committing a
>> > > > > bigger crime, a prejudice and friction
>> against a
>> > > bigger
>> > > > > section of society.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > About Hashmi:
>> > > > > Any one who now a days stands up is
>> first accused
>> > > of trying
>> > > > > to attain cheap publicity, even shiny
>> ahuja's
>> > > maid! Fine as
>> > > > > a statement from dominant ones who'd
>> else loose
>> > > power, but
>> > > > > we buying into such things. Things are
>> pretty
>> > > clear it is
>> > > > > assumed.......(on what basis?)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > He has been a bold-based actor. Is it
>> less
>> > > amusing that
>> > > > > his case such people as who date
>> married, women,
>> > > bring in
>> > > > > joys, challenge social perceptions, or
>> even do
>> > > bold roles in
>> > > > > movies are cheap. But lest be sure lets
>> pass one
>> > > resolution,
>> > > > > they are not prostitutes, many of us
>> would have
>> > > to apply for
>> > > > > license then, being students orf
>> social
>> > > > > experiments..........
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regards,(hopefully I got more audience
>> for this
>> > > despicable,
>> > > > > cheap actor who behaves like what
>> onstage)
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > & LOVE
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Subhrodip
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ________________________________
>> > > > > From: Murali V <murali.chalam at gmail.com>
>> > > > > To: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>> > > > > Cc: Sarai List <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009 1:33:10
>> PM
>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Imran
>> Hashmi takes
>> > > a U turn
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If I were to explain further on
>> Malik's
>> > > statement, If
>> > > > > somebody is rejected
>> > > > > because of being a non-vegetarian, and
>> if the
>> > > person
>> > > > > happens to belong to a
>> > > > > minority community, I am sure, it would
>> be
>> > > twisted to be
>> > > > > one because of
>> > > > > being in the community and all hell
>> would be let
>> > > loose by
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > Pseudo-seculars and the media.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regards,
>> > > > > V Murali
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Rakesh
>> Iyer
>> > > <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > I only hope it's for the sake of
>> disallowing
>> > > the
>> > > > > non-vegetarians and not
>> > > > > > for disallowing the Muslims.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
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