[Reader-list] Muslims must appeal to Al-Qaeda: Stop hurting and threatening India

[anupam chakravartty]

dear kshmendra,

there is nothing i feel sorry for while debating this issue with aman or you
( as you consciously decided to take a stand and debate in this particular
thread). thank you very much for telling me that my contentions are
ridiculous. since you consider my ideas to be ridiculous, you might as well
associate words like "mean" and "erred". if these comments and subsequent
reactions from my side has caused a great deal of problems for you, then i
think it is unfortunate. it would have been wise on your part to stay away
from this discussion, like a lot of people in this mailing list did. i
request to read again what you have been writing so far. i think i have
explained my position very clearly. if you like to carry on with the written
duel, i would not mind. i have plenty of time to mull over these things.

-anupam

p.s: Kindly bludgeon me with examples. i am not someone who is used to empty
threats.





On 2/18/09, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Dear Anupam
>
> 1. It would have been graceful if you had simply accepted that you erred in
> attributing a comment to me which I had not made. Maybe that is expecting
> too much from you.
>
> 2. Your contention is ridiculous that if I find nothing objectionable in
> Aman-Shanti's comment then I am party to it.
>
> There are uncountable Comments/Positions that a person might not find
> objectionable but that would not mean that the person is 'party to' such
> Comments/Positions. Think over that because I do not want to bludgeon you
> with examples.
>
> 3. Your comment "even, your political stand on Jamia encounters is
> appreciated" seemed to be directed at me. If it was, then again you are
> fantasising. I never declared any 'political stand' on the "Jamia
> encounters"
>
> Kshmendra
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 2/14/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Muslims must appeal to Al-Qaeda: Stop hurting
> and threatening India
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 9:23 PM
>
> dear kshmendra and aman,
>
> In your recent comment written:
>
>  "It was not I who wrote 'indian muslims should ask al-qaeda to stop
> terror
> attacks'. So your comment that you found 'my line problematic' was
> a
> misdirected comment.
>
> I personally find nothing objectionable in the 'line' that was actually
> posted by Aman-Shanti: """ Indian Muslims (and everyone else)
> must appeal to
> Al-Qaeda and its allies to stop their activities of terror and violence in
> the world."
>
> so logically, my misdirected comment actually hit the right spot. and as you
> are now saying that there is nothing objectionable in aman shanti's
> comment,
> so you are also a party to it.
>
> to repeat what i said, earlier, the proposition that "indian muslims are
> against terrorism" is a good idea. even, your political stand on Jamia
> encounters is appreciated. but then what is this message you are sending in
> the header: "Muslims must appeal to Al-Qaeda: Stop hurting and threatening
> India."?
>
> i personally have no problems with such initiatives but at least aman should
> have used the right words.* aman's (your's too kshmendra) understanding
> of
> the situation after reading the header looks like indian muslims have been
> inviting alqaeda all this while and now if they ask to stop it, they would
> do so.* i am trying to point towards a fallacy which aman has made. you can
> change it and i hope you can change your hearts also while dealing with
> something so elusive and destructive as terrorism.
>
> and if you guys think, that you can ask anyone to adopt such an initiative
> through this mailing list, then you all are wrong. i would not visit your
> blog or your facebook as a sign of protest against these specific words:
> "Indian Muslims (and everyone else) must appeal to Al-Qaeda and its allies
> to stop their activities of terror and violence in the world". it is
> completely upto you to change it and come up with something else. to put it
> very simply:
>
> how's my friend abdul (being an indian muslim) connected with al-qaeda? in
> what capacity should abdul, particularly (as your header
> suggests), who paints and dreams of faiz and nazrul, should go to al-qaeda
> and ask them to stop their acts? how is he a stakeholder? is every muslim a
> stake holder in the crimes committed by a group of mujaheedins? why
> should abdul be pinpointed, when all of you self-righteous peace loving
> people (including me) are responsible for what has been happening in the
> country?
>
> -anupam
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