[Reader-list] Muslims must appeal to Al-Qaeda: Stop hurting and threatening India

[anupam chakravartty]

dear kshmendra kaul,

grace and decency do not count in the post-colonial discourses. they are
rather Victorian. i wasn't born then. im sorry, i cannot entertain your
request.

but let me point this out to you:

 "I personally find nothing objectionable in the 'line' that was actually
posted by Aman-Shanti: """ Indian Muslims (and everyone else) must appeal to
Al-Qaeda and its allies to stop their activities of terror and violence in
the world."

doesnt it also mean that given a chance, you would be with the aman's line
of argument? (again, dear aman, i did not drag you in this topic. kshmendra
wants a reprisal)  please note that my problem is with the way the readers
are introduced to the topic of tackling terror with peaceful means by saying
Indian Muslims and specifically pointing out one set of people while the
other community which may or may not be responsible are clubbed together as
"everyone".

i appreciate the fact you are more prompt in replying to these posts than
me, which shows your commitment to your reasoning. i so want to emulate it
and perfect the art of quickly replying to a post.

again with warmest regards,
anupam chakravartty



On 2/19/09, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   Dear Anupam
>
> You still have not shown the grace or decency to acknowledge that you have
> attributed comments to me that I never made.
>
> Kshmendra
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 2/19/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Muslims must appeal to Al-Qaeda: Stop hurting
> and threatening India
> To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com, "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:26 PM
>
>  dear kshmendra,
>
> there is nothing i feel sorry for while debating this issue with aman or
> you ( as you consciously decided to take a stand and debate in this
> particular thread). thank you very much for telling me that my contentions
> are ridiculous. since you consider my ideas to be ridiculous, you might as
> well associate words like "mean" and "erred". if these comments and
> subsequent reactions from my side has caused a great deal of problems for
> you, then i think it is unfortunate. it would have been wise on your part to
> stay away from this discussion, like a lot of people in this mailing list
> did. i request to read again what you have been writing so far. i think i
> have explained my position very clearly. if you like to carry on with the
> written duel, i would not mind. i have plenty of time to mull over these
> things.
>
> -anupam
>
> p.s: Kindly bludgeon me with examples. i am not someone who is used to
> empty threats.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/18/09, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Dear Anupam
>>
>> 1. It would have been graceful if you had simply accepted that you erred
>> in attributing a comment to me which I had not made. Maybe that is expecting
>> too much from you.
>>
>> 2. Your contention is ridiculous that if I find nothing objectionable in
>> Aman-Shanti's comment then I am party to it.
>>
>> There are uncountable Comments/Positions that a person might not find
>> objectionable but that would not mean that the person is 'party to' such
>> Comments/Positions. Think over that because I do not want to bludgeon you
>> with examples.
>>
>> 3. Your comment "even, your political stand on Jamia encounters is
>> appreciated" seemed to be directed at me. If it was, then again you are
>> fantasising. I never declared any 'political stand' on the "Jamia
>> encounters"
>>
>> Kshmendra
>>
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 2/14/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Muslims must appeal to Al-Qaeda: Stop hurting
>> and threatening India
>> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 9:23 PM
>>
>> dear kshmendra and aman,
>>
>> In your recent comment written:
>>
>>  "It was not I who wrote 'indian muslims should ask al-qaeda to stop
>> terror
>> attacks'. So your comment that you found 'my line problematic' was
>> a
>> misdirected comment.
>>
>> I personally find nothing objectionable in the 'line' that was actually
>> posted by Aman-Shanti: """ Indian Muslims (and everyone else)
>> must appeal to
>> Al-Qaeda and its allies to stop their activities of terror and violence in
>> the world."
>>
>> so logically, my misdirected comment actually hit the right spot. and as you
>> are now saying that there is nothing objectionable in aman shanti's
>> comment,
>> so you are also a party to it.
>>
>> to repeat what i said, earlier, the proposition that "indian muslims are
>> against terrorism" is a good idea. even, your political stand on Jamia
>> encounters is appreciated. but then what is this message you are sending in
>> the header: "Muslims must appeal to Al-Qaeda: Stop hurting and threatening
>> India."?
>>
>> i personally have no problems with such initiatives but at least aman should
>> have used the right words.* aman's (your's too kshmendra) understanding
>> of
>> the situation after reading the header looks like indian muslims have been
>> inviting alqaeda all this while and now if they ask to stop it, they would
>> do so.* i am trying to point towards a fallacy which aman has made. you can
>> change it and i hope you can change your hearts also while dealing with
>> something so elusive and destructive as terrorism.
>>
>> and if you guys think, that you can ask anyone to adopt such an initiative
>> through this mailing list, then you all are wrong. i would not visit your
>> blog or your facebook as a sign of protest against these specific words:
>> "Indian Muslims (and everyone else) must appeal to Al-Qaeda and its allies
>> to stop their activities of terror and violence in the world". it is
>> completely upto you to change it and come up with something else. to put it
>> very simply:
>>
>> how's my friend abdul (being an indian muslim) connected with al-qaeda? in
>> what capacity should abdul, particularly (as your header
>> suggests), who paints and dreams of faiz and nazrul, should go to al-qaeda
>> and ask them to stop their acts? how is he a stakeholder? is every muslim a
>> stake holder in the crimes committed by a group of mujaheedins? why
>> should abdul be pinpointed, when all of you self-righteous peace loving
>> people (including me) are responsible for what has been happening in the
>> country?
>>
>> -anupam
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