[Reader-list] RSS and Child Trafficking

[Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi]

"In other words, the RSS is like the ISI when it comes to taking actions
against their 'enemies'. But the fact is that then I am like the enemy
myself. The question which then comes is simply this: why should the RSS be
right and the ISI be wrong? Can't the reverse be true? Can't both be wrong?
Can't both be right? On what basis do we judge the right and the wrong?"

Dear all,

    this one paragraph in the post by our learned friend shows the level of
half knowledge which is dangerous, when he compares ISI and RSS, for any
person with common sense, the knowledge of ISI is that this is inter service
intelligence network, spying for its army, espionage being supported by
typical nation funding for safety of that nation, in other words, ISI is
funded by Pakistan as its agency of espionage for pakistan. ASI has no role
in societal educational aspects, societal development works, or any works or
actions for the good of the society. RSS is rastrya swayam sevak sangh,
where one volanteers to work as directed in efforts, to serve the society,
in development of society, with self discipline.It is funded by its members
volateerly, for the develpmenal works like schools, vocation and skill
training centres.

To compare RSS with ISI is at best an effort to be exhibiting half knowledge
about an organisation which has served the nation in time of need., be it a
cyclone, be it an intrusion of pak army in kashmir in 1947, or as traffic
organisers during chinese aggression in 1962, or as cleaners of dead bodies
after the cyclone that hit india in Andhra. All these deeds are known to
society, may not be the Y generation, which is busy with rights more than
their duties.

Regards,
Rajen.

Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all
>
> My problem with the RSS is what Nandy says repeatedly, that RSS actually
> requires a symbol of hate to exist, which in India is Muslim and Pakistan
> mainly, and now also includes Christians (particularly conversions). They
> adore interestingly values or idea from their 'sworn enemies',like the
> habit
> of Muslims to congregate when a few or even a single one of them is
> involved
> in a dispute (generally with a member of some other religion or group), or
> the ability of some of the brilliant organizations involved in
> proselytization, to convert tribals to Christianity. They want to be like
> them in these aspects, and hence to defeat the enemy, they want to use the
> same tactics as the 'enemy' does.
>
> In other words, the RSS is like the ISI when it comes to taking actions
> against their 'enemies'. But the fact is that then I am like the enemy
> myself. The question which then comes is simply this: why should the RSS be
> right and the ISI be wrong? Can't the reverse be true? Can't both be wrong?
> Can't both be right? On what basis do we judge the right and the wrong?
>
> It's ironic, but when Gandhi decided to lead the Satyagraha movement, he
> realized that fighting through violent methods would mean that Indians
> would
> have accepted the moral supremacy of the British by fighting through the
> very methods which the British wanted them to. It would have been far
> easier
> to suppress a violent agitation or attack by more violent methods, whereas
> a
> movement like 'satyagraha' where the agitators would never fight back,
> would
> attack the very conscience of the British and make them ashamed in their
> own
> eyes, even if their response to it was still violent. Moreover, tired of
> the
> guilt feelings they would have for their own atrocities, as well as of the
> consistent struggles mounted against them, they would leave.
>
> Gandhi through this way, not only contributed to the Indian freedom
> struggle, but as I remember back, (as Arnold Toynbee said), he also
> contributed to the British, by first of all defeating the very system
> without accepting its moral supremacy, and more importantly ensuring that
> his method was such that when the British left, there was no enemity or
> hard
> feelings left between India and British. Otherwise the relations would have
> been strained for so long, for the British rule had impoverished India and
> broken its back on many fronts.
>
> What kind of contribution does the RSS wish to make to the nation instead?
> The RSS may say that it's saving culture and it's a non-political
> organization, but when more than one person is made to sit in a class and
> made to undertake an activity which is propagated as 'saving culture', it
> is
> politics. And the RSS can't deny that. And if the ISI also does it (as has
> been suspected), then that too is politics. And both have already accepted
> the moral supremacy of each other's method, the method of madness, of
> violence, of suppressing all dissent voices in the name of protecting one's
> culture.
>
> The dislike (not hatred), I have for the RSS stems from the fact that they
> are trying to replicate a European-style movement of nationalism,
> secularism
> and religion (Hindutva) in India, where all dissent and diversity is
> rejected or modified (to a palatable form), where every decision has to be
> bound by their ideology, and where every kind of debate and discussion
> accepts the moral superiority of their ideology. They have no faith in the
> conscience and the ability of human beings, to improve and change. And of
> course, they have no faith in non-violence. Otherwise, even for a movement
> like Ram Mandir construction one, there would have been no demolition and
> only peaceful protests.
>
> And of course, in this they have the support from the ISI and the like.
>
> Giving alms for mandir or masjid construction or doing social service is
> not
> going to help, what helps is realizing the mistakes of one's own ideology
> and the actions done to serve that.
>
> Regards
>
> Rakesh
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-- 
Rajen.