[Reader-list] Fwd: Temples Of Mirpur

Fri Jul 31 13:20:48 IST 2009

Dear all, and Sanjay,

   for too long, tolerence of the individuals to be tolerent towards deviant
has been promoted and sustained as good culture of the nation, which seems
to be applicable only to majority community if they happen to be hindus, and
there are "hindus"   who for the personal gains use the islam to have
polygamy, examples are too many in not only celebrity circle as that of a
Mahesh Batt, Chand Pasha, and many more using the faith as cover for their
"secular" ideals, as seen in the society. Average hindu has no hate nor
revenge for islam, but has a grouse that these individuals take the
advantage of being "secular to avail undue advantage to themselves and not
for all in society.

Just as i see Imran hashmi on tv complaining about not being able to buy a
flat as he is muslim, his wife being hindu, isn't is amusing that mahesh
batt is the spokesperson for him, representing muslims(?), but if any hindu
talks of ills in society, there are many who will attack such thoughts that
the person speaking is not spokesperson for hindus.? How many muslims will
allow hindus to stay where they are major occupants like the Zafferies of
Ahmedabad in Gulbarg apartments.?

Ofcourse we have seen many so called hindus talk of being very secular for
the atrocities by muslims to prove their "secular" credentials, forgetting
that a crime is a crime. Kasab getting the best of legal aid at the cost of
nation, of which muslim is minority, Afjal Guru surviving conviction with
chicken biryani, Geelani being acquitted after prosecution failing to
produce "evidence" carried from Geelanis home in truckloads, as
investigators failing to submit it to prosecution are all our "secular" acts
for anticipated votes,selective screening in tv of the corruption of bangaru
accepting from pimps and prostitues run media house creating tehelka in the
nation, but failing to catch the crores in sting against a single MP of
Congress who accepts five crores or more for subverting laws for hi client
of hit and run case.?
   In todays' world muslim is safest in this nation, not even in islmic
nations, for a beer one can get lashed in public, for wearing jeans one can
get lashes, for going out with brother, one cn get thrashed, so if Taha is
keen to stop the id cards, with seemingly genuine cocern about the funds
utilised for such cards, the lurking fear underneath such action is that of
a person who is scared that his privacy to commit crimes will be monitored,
that is the fact. Kasab and his associates had enough assistance from indian
muslims, but the system ants to be secular even when Pakistan states that
there was local help.!

ID cards may not be foolproof but will instill fear for the wrong doer to be
careful as he indulges in crime for his religion, be a muslim, hindu or
christian. Only the rama sena is condemned for "moral " policing, but what
about the moral police of islam and christianity,? Is secular life meant
only for hindus, as if they do not have even right of self defence.?

To top it all in the system of governance, where every citizen must be
governed by rule of laws, equality before laws, benefits of the exchequer to
every citizen for beter life, we have a Manmohini Singh, who is bold, brave
as a woman with golden voice pleading the first bite for muslims.! No doubt
every muslim should be equal for all the benefits and freedom of the nation,
but let him also be accountable for his nation, not to the faith.

Regards,

Rajen.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:

> I thought the provocation came from the mail of Rakesh Iyer ....?
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Sanjay Kak <kaksanjay at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The calls to "kill" and "wipe-out" in Vedavati Jogis' response are as
> clear
> > an incitement to violence as you will see. (Even when applied to people
> who
> > "speak against India", whatever that means...)
> > Although I doubt that many on this list are going to be provoked to
> follow
> > the exhortations, I do think this is a moment for the moderators to run a
> > quick check on what constitutes the outer limits of free speech (and
> > fearless listening!) in this forum.
> >
> > best
> >
> > Sanjay Kak
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Tapas Ray <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Temples Of Mirpur
> > To: reader-list at sarai.net
> >
> >
> > I wonder if this kind of statement in a public or semi-public forum like
> > Sarai might appear as an incitement to violence in the eyes of the law.
> >
> >
> > Murali V wrote:
> > > Vedavati,
> > > How right you are.
> > > V Murali
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Vedavati Jogi <
> vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> pawan,
> > >> before organizing attack on any mosque in 'indian occupied kashmir'
> > >> i suggest, you  please throw these sickulars out of this country .
> > >> they are the main culprits
> > >>
> > >> call jagmohan to govern the j & k,
> > >> give the military free hand
> > >> abrogate 370
> > >> who so ever talks against india - kill him or her
> > >> wipe out all antinational elements (including people like arundhati
> roy
> > and
> > >> tista settlewad)
> > >>
> > >> problem will be solved in no time.
> > >>
> > >> vedavati
> > >> --- On Fri, 31/7/09, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Temples Of Mirpur
> > >> To: "Murali V" <murali.chalam at gmail.com>
> > >> Cc: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > >> Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 1:22 AM
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> So Pawan ji, when are you planning to organize attacks on some mosques
> > >> across the country? Or will you limit yourself to IOK (Indian-occupied
> > >> Kashmir)?
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Rajen.