[Reader-list] Fw: Re: i was stunned

Sun Jun 7 18:04:41 IST 2009

Dear All,

This is exactly the advantage of democratic life, all can have their
opinion, express it in most good or pervert bad ill will, still, all of us
accept it, such dissent is possible only in democratic life.One can express
freely about a Modi, about a Sonia or about a Lalu, but some resort to tell
it thousands of times to reinforce that Modi is bad, again their way of
being in limelight for their thoughts.!

By the way Bhagalpur riots had different story to tell the miseries of
humans, Ashish nandy is quiet on that front.?

Regards,

Rajen.

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Rajen,
>
> Modi is nothing but an advertising genius. while he can advertise about GM
> plants in Halol and metro coach, heritage site in Pavagadh in Panchmahals,
> Halol town doesnt have single drainage system in the town. if you ever go
> there, you might find disgruntled BJP chairman of the nagarpalika, nitin
> shah, who has been running from pillar to post in gandhinagar for drainage
> system in the town. successive governments including congres and BJP were
> not bothered about it, even Modi isnt. if you think he is able
> administrator, you are living in some different world.
>
> secondly, modi recently stated that gujarat would lead the second green
> revolution. if you ever find out about project sunshine of distributing
> monsanto hybrid seeds to trbal farmers you will gasp. for first two years,
> they were given free seeds for maize, this year monsanto with the consent
> of
> gujarat government is distributing the seeds for Rs 500 a pack for a farmer
> who has to pawn his fields to buy the seeds. i would not be surprised if
> another vidarbha like situation starts in gujarat. offcourse the yields can
> only get better with continous usage of fertilizers and pesticides (most of
> them have restricted usage in the nation) altering the quality of the soil
> forever.
>
> able administration comes from humble admissions that yes this is not
> working in my state and i need to fix it. it doesnt come loud, absolutely
> juvenile statements. other chief ministers do not do so at least in my
> knowledge but what mr modi has been doing is advertising campaign which has
> buyers such as you.
>
> thanks anupam
>
>
> On 6/7/09, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Rajen jee
> >
> > You think I hate Modi. Interestingly, Modi hates non-vegetarians in his
> own
> > party (like he hated Kashiram Rana of his own party). So much for hatred!
> >
> > The fact is that the developmental model which Modi brags about, is
> useless
> > and sooner or later is going to lead Gujarat to utter disaster. The
> poverty
> > levels in Gujarat are still about 14.07%. Around 2006-07, Modi and his
> > govt.
> > were bragging for being declared the best govt as per a survey conducted
> by
> > the Rajiv Gandhi foundation. The reality is that the Modi govt. was rated
> > best only for 'Economic Freedom'.
> >
> > As a proof, I give link of this article published in the Hindu:
> >
> >
> http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2005/06/27/stories/2005062700200900.htm
> >
> > Modi is exactly doing what George Bush was good at, propagandas. If you
> say
> > a lie 1000 times, people believe it's the truth. So, when Bush said again
> > and again that Iraq had WMD's, Americans were convinced, or at least a
> > section were. And the local media was used very easily. Similar is the
> case
> > in Gujarat, where the local Gujarati media plays in hands of Modi, and he
> > convinced them and still does so that not only do Muslims deserve to be
> > second class citizens (which is now implicit post Godhra), but also that
> > his
> > developmental model is the best.
> >
> > More importantly, what he has done is only going to prove disastrous in
> the
> > long run. Around the coastal regions, you have factories coming up
> without
> > proper laws or procedure being followed, and the result is that the salt
> > which is obtained from sea water in these coastal regions is turning
> black
> > due to pollution from the factories. This is Modi's management! And I say
> > Modi because he likes to show that he is the boss.
> >
> > Please don't get swept away by the Modi mania, otherwise India will
> anyways
> > hit a six by sweeping him over the ropes when the battle comes up in
> 2014,
> > and you will then feel bad about it.
> >
> > As for the other riots, all those involved in them,directly and
> indirectly,
> > belonging to whichever party and whichever community, or being of any
> > religion, should be put behind bars and cases properly registered,
> > investigated and taken to their logical conclusions in the quickest
> > possible
> > time. Those who don't do so, whether it be Modi in Gujarat or the
> Congress
> > in Delhi, are culprits, at least as I see it.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Rakesh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
> > rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Rakesh,
> > >
> > >  you seem to have the  patent hate for the leaders like Modi who have
> > > administered well, got elected again and again because of the good
> > > governance, and conveniently forget that many other riots have shown
> that
> > > all humans have an animal side to them, like in Bhagalpur riots, it was
> > > goons of other political parties had raped the muslim women and killed
> > > innocent muslims in many other riots. To generalise that only in one
> > state
> > > gujarath the riots had muslim as victims shows tht insufficient study
> has
> > > taken place,please find enclosed a study of riots which was postd in
> the
> > > list for your ready reference.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rajen.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear Vedavati jee (and all)
> > >>
> > >> First of all, you should stop being a spokesman for the entire Hindu
> > >> community. Who are you to say that Muslims have survived in India
> > because
> > >> the majority of people here were Hindus? Don't Muslims survive in
> > America
> > >> too? Don't they live in England? Don't they live in other nations,
> > >> including
> > >> China? And how did you draw the conclusion that Muslims have survived
> > >> because of a Hindu majority in India?
> > >>
> > >> Secondly, I would strongly urge you or request you to stop looking at
> > >> issues
> > >> from Jewish, Hindu or Muslim point of view. We already had a great
> > >> president
> > >> in George Bush in America to do that and the world has paid a price
> for
> > >> it.
> > >> Similarly, we have our own Narendra Modi in India, who has been
> > constantly
> > >> trying to rupture the foundations of our Indian Republic as enshrined
> in
> > >> the
> > >> Constitution.
> > >>
> > >> By speaking out against secularism, you are speaking against the very
> > >> Constitution of India, and for your own consideration, can be treated
> as
> > a
> > >> 'traitor' by the same yardstick of the Constitution. This is also for
> > all
> > >> those who constantly attack secularism on this forum. At least you are
> > >> nationalistic, you should know this.
> > >>
> > >> Instead of venting out your anger, please give rational/logical
> > arguments
> > >> about why secularism is wrong. At least Ashish Nandy had a point when
> he
> > >> said that secularism has increased communal violence in India, for
> > secular
> > >> modern development has cut off people from their cultural roots, who
> > then
> > >> take refuge in Hindutva and this leads to problems. What do you have
> as
> > an
> > >> argument against secularism?
> > >>
> > >> Please look at issues from a human angle. I accept that Kashmiri
> Hindus
> > >> have
> > >> a right, and the fate of any self-determined/Indian
> occupation/Pakistani
> > >> occupation of Kashmir must take the views and ideas of all sections of
> > the
> > >> Kashmiri society into consideration. And as for the Kashmiri Pandits,
> to
> > a
> > >> certain degree India has failed them. And it was not as if under the
> > right
> > >> wing govt in India, they were living a life of paradise either.
> > >>
> > >> Thirdly, on a personal level, I would urge you to at least start
> > trusting
> > >> the ability of human beings, and having faith in them, at least till
> you
> > >> have proof to the contrary. If you have suffered a tragedy at the
> hands
> > of
> > >> one Muslim or a few Muslims, it doesn't mean the entire community must
> > be
> > >> criticized for the same. And anyways, are not there bad people in the
> > >> Hindu
> > >> community?
> > >>
> > >> Weren't those who raped Muslim women in the post-Godhra riots Hindus?
> > >> Weren't those who indulged in violence during that time Hindus? Is
> > >> violence
> > >> acceptable? Do you think rape is the way to solve 'Hindu-Muslim
> problem'
> > >> which is in the minds first and on the roads later? Do you advocate
> this
> > >> as
> > >> the way to avenge Godhra?
> > >>
> > >> And if they are Hindus, which I hope you would accept, should the
> entire
> > >> Hindu community be criticized? Should we denounce Hinduism? Are all
> > Hindus
> > >> then inhuman, as Osama Bin Laden would like the Muslims around the
> world
> > >> to
> > >> believe?
> > >>
> > >> Please think about this, it's a humble request from me. So also for
> the
> > >> others. Here I am not saying you shouldn't be nationalistic (this I
> > >> believe
> > >> is very difficult to change), but at least for the sake of the nation
> > >> which
> > >> you put before yourself, at least understand the true nature of the
> > >> problem
> > >> instead of looking at it through skewed minds.
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >> Rakesh
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> > > --
> > > Rajen.
> > >
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Rajen.