[Reader-list] Hindu article

Mon Jun 8 13:55:43 IST 2009

Bipin,

Professor J.S. Bandukwala's house was attacked and burnt down by rioters in
2002. He is not that sort of a man who will tell you that he is treated like
a second class citizen. That man has more books and guts which i am sure
modi or maya kodnani wouldnt able to withstand. That man continues to write
against Modi government's policies and its attitude towards muslims, stands
for the helpless. I am 100% sure you havent met him or know anything about
him.

secondly, godhra remains as divided as it was. there is a municipal election
on april 21 in the town. The BJP leadership has clearly spelt out that they
dont care about those 9000-10000 votes from the muslim community in the
town. signal faliya, 1.5 kilometres away from Godha railway station, mostly
comprising of the muslims doesnt have roads connecting the houses. during
the rains, the whole of the area remains submerged. on the other side of the
railway station a few hundred meters ahead modi on march 17 unveiled a
former IAF jet as a symbol of defence and security in the country completely
turning a blind eye towards signal faliya or polan bazar in godhra where
most of the muslims stay. contesting the municipal elections would be murli
moolchandani, a VHP member, who was caught in the tehelka sting.

third, noorani mohalla and K G park, two rehabilitatee colonies comprising
of riot affected muslims even now doesnt have water supply or any kinds of
roads leading to the houses. it is on the outskirts of Vadodara on ajwa
road. please do check it out when you can. it is worse than a concentration
camp with families trying to dirt clogging up the drains and water from the
refuse collecting right front of the houses. two kilometers ahead there is a
hospital for lepers -- the refuse from that hospital also comes and gathers
in the area. mind you its on the Ajwa road of Vadodara city.

third, ward no 3 of halol municipality. the councillor, saleem meer ended
his fast yesterday (sunday) because all this years that place did not have a
water connection while waters of Narmada has reached other nine wards of the
town. ask the municipal board president, Nitin Shah about why there is a
neglect, he will give you prompt reply saying that "ye to yaha ke nahi hai".

fourth, since you are big fan of modi, you must have heard him. if he is
talking about a police officer in his speech especially when he referred to
mumbai police chief, gafoor, after 26/11 attacks, he said started his
statement saying a police officer *that too a muslim. *his attitude
continues to anti-muslim save for some of his muslim followers from
Surat (always used a propaganda too erase the riots with a statement such as
shias and vohras are with modi and sunnis are the ones who create
problems) who after the riots accompanied him everywhere because they had
specific business interests.

i think you have absolutely no idea of Gujarat. And also gujarati people do
not neccessarily treat muslim people badly, however, the political
establishment has planned out its policies in such a way that they are
reduced to second class citizens. however, there are sucess stories, own
will power such as Prof Bandukwala which is independent and praiseworthy and
should not be read in the context of treating someone as first class or
second class citizen. you are offcourse free to have your opinion, but i
would invite you to come and look around here in Vadodara. you can reply
back on this space. i will guide you how you can get to vadodara.

-anupam
On 6/8/09, bipin <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
>
> Dear Venugopalan,
>
> What happened in 2002 is very painful and full sympathy with those who
> died. Even in my earlier post, I have mentioned about this sad incidence.
>
> Refer the court findings and they scrolled Teesta in few occasions in
> Zahira case. I also of the opinion that those who are culprit must be
> punished and even Modi's involvement proved than also. Why I doubt Teesta
> working, since she never show her will to fight for the rights of Hindu,
> Sikh in Sikh riots, Kashmir Pundits in Kashmir, Bhagalpur victim, even she
> has not turned up in Nandigram, Singur. So how can one trust her neutrality?
> This is solid proof that she is working with guidance of their source of
> funds.
>
> What the Hindu article tells is general for Gujarat's Muslims treated as II
> class citizen is wrong. They are taking basis of about a lac (yet this is
> also doubtful figure) yet to return to their home (but why? no body has
> stopped them to return), the whole Gujarat Muslim community treated as II
> class citizen. Don't you think this is ridiculous? For a few part of
> community, you can not put generalize prediction for the community. The
> incidence happened before 7 years and few thousand don't return to their
> home and those whose homes has burned/destroyed, govt. has offered for
> rehabilitation way back but stopped by the wasted interest forces who wants
> to keep alive this issue forever!
>
> People of Gujarat (including Muslim community) has way back forgot this and
> started their routine work in very co-operative and friendly environment.
> Even leading Muslim figure/leader of Gujarat like Professor Bandukwala and
> many others has confirmed this way back and continue today telling in many
> open discussion forum.
>
> Mr. Venugopalan, I invite to come to Gujarat, I personally welcome you and
> take you to even Godhra where this incidence happened and see yourself
> whether you find any fear? Even I invite you with any of your Muslim friend
> to roam any part of Gujarat and verify yourself that anywhere Muslim is not
> at all treated as II class citizens. All the community stays in very harmony
> without any fear and grudges.
>
> Now what is going on is malicious propaganda against Gujarat and Gujarati
> community, nothing else. Whether you believe or not but this is hard truth.
>
> thanks
> Bipin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Venugopalan K M
> To: sarai-list
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Hindu article
>
>
> Dear Bipin,
>
> I'm afraid you are abusing he commonsense of everybody here.
> Why don't you dispute what is already given there  on the basis of merit
> and substance?
> What do you mean by Chamchas of Teesta?
> And is what is so bad about Tessta and their "cottary"?
>
>   About the Muslim citizens of  Gujarat, again you arrogate to  yourself
> the privilege of paassing a judgement! Of whom at least two thousand people
> were killed and over a lakh are reportedly yet to return to their homes
> since the organized crimes of post-Godhra 2002, if they are not being
> treated as second class citizens, are  they being treated as non-citizens?
> Will you please check the truth for yourself rather than advising others to
> meet your Muslim friends in other states or to meet the 'aam Muslims' in
> Gujaratin your imagination?
>
> Or rather, do you mean that they are graciously being allowed by Modi to
> stay free of further fears of being targeted for killing and raping by
> Hindus? That case, you are wrong sir; instead, it is apparently because the
> killing hordes themselves had realized that Modi is not  God to ensure them
> impunity and because they come to realize that Modi himself is under the
> shadow of trial under the IPC and the Cr PC for his culpability in what
> transpired after Godhra.
>
> >"they agree that their relatives are far happy and feel safety in Gujarat"
>
> How  cool!
> How strange of a people constituting about 1/5 th of the entire population
> confiding the secret to you being allowed to feel safe in their own lands
> and homes!
>
> Best,
> Venu.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 2:52 PM, bipin <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
>
>    Dear All,
>
>    Who ever written this article HIndu is base less and far from truth. It
> is totally false that Muslims are treated as second class citizen in
> Gujarat. You ask any aam Muslim in Gujarat (don't ask chamcha's of Teesta
> and their cottary) and you will have truth.
>
>    Even I have many net Muslim friends from other states and on discussion,
> they agreed that their relatives in Gujarat are far happy and feel safety in
> Gujarat
>
>    thanks
>    BIPIN
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