[Reader-list] Fw: Re: i was stunned

[Venugopalan K M]

Dear Vedavati Jogi,

Who is Mr.Takre to say that 20 crore Muslim refugees will be sent  from
India, whatever happens in Kashmir?Do you think that !00 crores of Indians
are  under his command?Your "Care for the nation"  seems not only
misdirected, but also betrays utter illiteracy of the fundamentals on which
the nation itself ihas been founded.( Ignorance of law is no excuse for
someone violating it, though)
Mr.Takre and people like you can say such things only as long as  the
patriotic sentiments of Indians allow you to express  within the limits of
the constitution .You may well remember that things have recently not been
working well in favour of those who have a vested interest in the
proliferation of hatred.Hopefully for the secular conscience of this nation,
they will sooner or later be totally pushed to oblivion thanks to the
enlightened responses of people in the context of telling apart who actually
care for the nation and who are real terrorists and traitors.

Thanking for your response here,
Venu.






On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>wrote:

> i don't speak for hindus,
> i care for my nation!
> this  socalled  philosophy of secularism and liberalism is dividing the
> nation and disarming hindus
> and i can't see my country being partitioned again .
>
> once balasaheb thakare had said, if pakistan wants kashmir (because kashmir
> is a muslim majority state) then they will have to accept 20 crore muslim
> refugees from india too.
>
> i support this statement.
>
> vedavati
> --- On *Sun, 7/6/09, Venugopalan K M <kmvenuannur at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Venugopalan K M <kmvenuannur at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Re: i was stunned
> To: "sarai-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Sunday, 7 June, 2009, 3:38 PM
>
> Ignorance may be bliss; arrogance might be bliss as well, at least until
> someone gets held up for rash assumptions on others...
> However, certain manifestations of ignorance plus arrogance are better to
> be
> left as they are; I believe that will be healthy for people on both sides
> of
> the divide..
> Feel no temptation to dispute the contents here;
> but who are you to speak for the entire Hindus in India,any way?
>
> Peace and love,
> Venu.
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vedavati_jogi@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
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> > good -that israel govt did not listen to you and returned socalled
> occupied
> > territories to palestinians. i never knew that there are pseudo seculars
> in
> > israel too (like india)
> >
> > you feel govt. of india should give autonomy to kashmir, are you aware
> that
> > kashmiri hindus have been thrown out of kashmir?
> > do you find muslims so trustworthy that in autonomous, muslims dominated
> > state hindus can remain safe?
> >
> > whole pakistan is a muslim occupied india, are you aware of that?
> >
> >  vedavati
> >
> > --- On Sun, 7/6/09, Alex Stein <alex.stein at talk21.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alex.stein@talk21.com>>
> wrote:
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> > From: Alex Stein <alex.stein at talk21.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alex.stein@talk21.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: i was stunned
> > To: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail..yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vedavati_jogi@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Date: Sunday, 7 June, 2009, 2:58 AM
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> > 1. I think we should return the Occupied Territories (West Bank, Gaza,
> East
> > Jerusalem) to the Palestinian people.
> >
> > 2. I never said I speak for Kashmir.
> >
> > 3. I think the valley should be autonomous (nobody should be removed from
> > their homes).
> >
> > 4. That is for you and Pakistan to decide over the course - hopefully one
> > day - of peace negotiations.
> >
> > A
> >
> >
> > falsedichotomies.com
> >
> > "The most radical and the only secure form of possession is destruction,
> > for only what we have destroyed is safely and forever ours." Hannah
> Arendt
> >
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> >
> > --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vedavati_jogi@yahoo..com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vedavati_jogi@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: i was stunned
> > To: "Alex Stein" <alex.stein at talk21.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alex.stein@talk21.com>
> >
> > Date: Saturday, 6 June, 2009, 7:38 PM
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> > hello alex,
> > 1) will you give part of your country to any other nation?
> > 2) who has given you right to speak for kashmir?
> > 3) if kashmir is given to muslims what about those hindus who have been
> > living there since last thousand years?
> > 4) will you dare to tell pakistan to give our land back?
> > vedavati
> >
> > --- On Sun, 7/6/09, Alex Stein <alex.stein at talk21.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alex.stein@talk21.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Alex Stein <alex.stein at talk21.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alex.stein@talk21.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: i was stunned
> > To: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vedavati_jogi@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Date: Sunday, 7 June, 2009, 2:27 AM
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> > Hi Vedavti,
> > Thanks for your email.
> > We are not standing in opposition to Hindus. I deeply love India, its
> > culture and its people. I believe, though, that the Kashmir people have a
> > right to self-determination, just like anyone else, and I believe that it
> is
> > in India's interest to grant it to them, at least when the time is right.
> > Best wishes,
> > Alex Stein
> >
> > PS - you may be interested in my blog of my travels in India last summer
> -
> > wanderingsatlan.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > falsedichotomies.com
> >
> > "The most radical and the only secure form of possession is destruction,
> > for only what we have destroyed is safely and forever ours." Hannah
> Arendt
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vedavati_jogi@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com<http://in.mc947.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vedavati_jogi@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Subject: i was stunned
> > To: alex.stein at talk21.com<http://in.mc947.mail..yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alex.stein@talk21.com>
> > Date: Friday, 5 June, 2009, 7:10 AM
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> > hello sir,
> >
> > i went thru. your article about 'jeuish-kashmiri dialogue group
> > honestly i was stunned.
> > i believe you have been told absoluetly wrong history.
> >
> >  do you know how much these kashmiri hindus have suffered at the hands of
> > muslims in kashmir?
> >
> > hindusthan is the only country which gave shelter to people of your
> > religion whole heartedly that was because hindusthan is a hindu dominated
> > country.
> > i really wonder how can you try to befriend muslims, basically how can
> you
> > trust them? have you people not suffered at the hands of muslims?
> > have you not heard about 'muslim brotherhood'?
> > rightnow, you may think that muslims in kashmir were friendly with you
> > hence they are nice. but are you sure that when you fight with other
> muslim
> > countries, these same kashmiri friends of yours will support you against
> the
> > latter?
> >
> > i sincerely feel, hindus, and not muslims  can be your natural allies.
> >
> > vedavati
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