[Reader-list] Fw: Re: we are all stunned

A.K. Malik akmalik45 at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 10 13:53:37 IST 2009 

Hi Mr Javed,
            Why then everyone is interested to condemn Post-Godhra events day-in and day-out.Is it not one of the many cases?  Show me a similar tone for other cases, the ratio would come down to 100:1 If I remember correctly one of the ministers in UP Govt had publicly offered 51Crores to anyone beheading someone (I don't remember the name).
Give me the links when he was condemned by any prominent muslim.
It is everyone's right to speak or not to speak on any issue.But generalisations are based on certain data which are either easily available or are on the Public perception.
See Salman Khurshid's statement who only sees Muslims as downtrodden.If we belong to a majority religion so we must suffer. All sops should only be given to minorities, all sympathisers should be only for minorities so that they appeased and are a solid VOTE-BANK.Why not treat everyone equal, the Constitution Of India enjoins upon not to discriminate based on caste, creed or religion.LET US ALL BE TREATED AS INDIANS irrespective of belonging to any religion.
Regards,
(A.K.MALIK)


--- On Wed, 6/10/09, M Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: M Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Re: we are all stunned
> To: "A.K. Malik" <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>, "Sarai List" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:54 AM
> Dear Vedavati and Malik
> Firstly, it is wrong to say that Muslim leaders never
> condemn wrongs
> done to the people of other faiths. One can quote thousands
> of
> instances on Muslims condemning acts of terrorism and
> violence where
> people of other (non-Muslim) communities have been
> affected. (If you
> are interested, I can send the links and references). But a
> more
> important point is: why should we expect only Muslim
> leaders to come
> up with a condemnation? What does that prove? A
> condemnation of an
> event by someone may express one's honest angst about
> something, but
> it can also be a superficial lip-service to create a
> feel-good factor.
> Why should someone do a superficial media-act to show
> one's
> patriotism? If Muslims keep condemning the plight of
> Kashmiri pandits,
> will they get a certificate of bonafide Indian nationals?
> 
> I really wonder what does a mere criticism or condemnation
> in public
> about an event mean anything? Does it heal the wounds of
> the affected
> people? Does it stop the perpetrators from their acts of
> violence?
> 
> Javed
> 
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:18 AM, A.K. Malik<akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >      I agree and respect your views. I have rarely
> seen any muslim leader or others criticizing any wrong being
> done by people of their own faith except Hindus of course
> most of whom cry more for any atrocity on persons of
> specific religion and remain silent when it is on persons of
> their own religion.
> > There are thousands of so called seculars who have
> condemned post Godhra violence, very few for Godhra incident
> and almost none for atrocities on Kashmiri Hindus.
> > You are not "secular" unless you kick people of your
> own faith whether wrong or right is immaterial.
> > Regards,
> >
> > (A.K.MALIK)
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Re: i was stunned
> >> To: "A.K. Malik" <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> >> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 10:21 AM
> >> thank you mr. malik for this
> >> mail. i know you are not a pseudo-secular,
> 'liberal'
> >> or 'thinker' etc.
> >> still you did not like the  idea of
> >> throwing muslims out of this country.
> >>
> >> this is the difference between hindus &
> >> muslims!  trust me i wanted to prove this to
> all.
> >>
> >> majority of muslims in pakistan or bangladesh,
> kashmir
> >>  even india, don't show this magnonimity towards
> >> hindus. i have not seen any muslim leader caring
> for hindu
> >> migrants from kashmir.
> >>
> >> yet sickulars in india keep talking about
> >> 'sufferings of muslims in india'
> >> this continuous hindubashing is responsible for
> >> creating gulf between citizens of different faiths
> in india
> >> .
> >>
> >> i am not a religious fanatic,  i would never
> want
> >> to throw any common citizen (irrespective of his
> or her
> >> faith) to be thrown out of this country. i possess
> great
> >> respect for dr. kalam, i just loved rafi,
> madhubala, i love
> >> to listen to jakir hussain's tabla and like to
> watch
> >> irfan pathan's game. list is very big!
> >>
> >> vedavati
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 9/6/09, A.K. Malik
> >> <akmalik45 at yahoo..com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Re: i was stunned
> >> To: "Vedavati Jogi"
> >> <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "Sarai List" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> Date: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009, 1:36 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Vedvatiji,
> >>
> >>    I am normally a critcizer of Hindu bashing
> >> but I find this to be strange. What has Pakistan
> to do with
> >> Indian Muslims, they are Indian citizens as we are
> and have
> >> the same rights as we have? And who has given this
> power to
> >> Balasaheb Thakre to send Indian Citizens to
> Pakistan? It is
> >> a different matter if some are willing to go on
> their own
> >> accord and Pakistan is ready to accept them.If the
> same is
> >> being done to Indians in Australia and North
> America why are
> >> we then troubled.
> >> In this Globalised world, such a thinking will
> definitely
> >> bring another partition.
> >> I find the Press to be also responsible for
> bringing such a
> >> division amongst citizens. Newspaper headings:
> >> "A Woman and DALIT becomes speaker for the first
> >> time"
> >> "Vahanvati is first MUSLIM Attorney
> >> General"    Today's Times of India Front
> >> Page
> >> The emphasis is not the MERIT
> >>  which has brought them to these levels, it is on
> Dalit and
> >> Muslim as if they have become eligible only now or
> they have
> >> been appointed as if the requirement was for a
> Dalit and a
> >> Muslim and no merit was required.That is one
> reason I am
> >> against reservations of any kind. The
> help/assistance
> >> needs  only to be given for grooming.
> >>
> >> (A.K.MALIK)
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Re: i was
> stunned
> >> > To: "Venugopalan K M" <kmvenuannur at gmail.com>
> >> > Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
> >> > Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 7:07 PM
> >> > i don't speak for hindus,
> >> > i care for my nation!
> >> > this  socalled  philosophy of secularism
> and
> >> liberalism
> >> > is dividing the nation and disarming hindus
> >> > and i can't see my country being partitioned
> again
> >> .
> >> >
> >> > once balasaheb thakare had said, if pakistan
> wants
> >> kashmir
> >> > (because kashmir is a muslim majority state)
> then they
> >> will
> >> > have to accept 20 crore muslim refugees from
> india
> >> too.
> >> >
> >> > i support this statement.
> >> >
> >> > vedavati
> >> > --- On Sun, 7/6/09, Venugopalan K M <kmvenuannur at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: Venugopalan K M <kmvenuannur at gmail.com>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: Re: i was
> stunned
> >> > To: "sarai-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> > Date: Sunday, 7 June, 2009, 3:38 PM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ignorance may be bliss; arrogance might be
> bliss as
> >> well,
> >> > at least until
> >> > someone gets held up for rash assumptions on
> others..
> >> > However, certain manifestations of ignorance
> plus
> >> arrogance
> >> > are better to be
> >> > left as they are; I believe that will be
> healthy for
> >> people
> >> > on both sides of
> >> > the divide..
> >> > Feel no temptation to
> >>  dispute the contents here;
> >> > but who are you to speak for the entire
> Hindus in
> >> India,any
> >> > way?
> >> >
> >> > Peace and love,
> >> > Venu.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Vedavati
> Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > good -that israel govt did not listen to
> you and
> >> > returned socalled occupied
> >> > > territories to palestinians. i never
> knew that
> >> there
> >> > are pseudo seculars in
> >> > > israel too (like india)
> >> > >
> >> > > you feel govt. of india should give
> autonomy to
> >> > kashmir, are you aware that
> >> > > kashmiri hindus have been thrown out of
> kashmir?
> >> > > do you find muslims so
> >>  trustworthy that in autonomous,
> >> > muslims dominated
> >> > > state hindus can remain safe?
> >> > >
> >> > > whole pakistan is a muslim occupied
> india, are
> >> you
> >> > aware of that?
> >> > >
> >> > >  vedavati
> >> > >
> >> > > --- On Sun, 7/6/09, Alex Stein <alex.stein at talk21.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > From: Alex Stein <alex.stein at talk21.com>
> >> > > Subject: Re: i was stunned
> >> > > To: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> >> > > Date: Sunday, 7 June, 2009, 2:58 AM
> >> >
> >>  >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. I think we should return the
> Occupied
> >> Territories
> >> > (West Bank, Gaza, East
> >> > > Jerusalem) to the Palestinian people.
> >> > >
> >> > > 2. I never said I speak for Kashmir.
> >> > >
> >> > > 3. I think the valley should be
> autonomous
> >> (nobody
> >> > should be removed from
> >> > > their homes).
> >> > >
> >> > > 4. That is for you and Pakistan to
> decide over
> >> the
> >> > course - hopefully one
> >> > > day - of peace negotiations.
> >> > >
> >> > > A
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > falsedichotomies.com
> >> > >
> >> > > "The most radical and the only secure
> form
> >> of
> >> > possession is destruction,
> >> > > for only what we have destroyed is
> safely and
> >> forever
> >> > ours." Hannah Arendt
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > From: Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> >> > > Subject: Re: i was stunned
> >> > > To: "Alex Stein" <alex.stein at talk21.com>
> >> > > Date: Saturday, 6 June, 2009, 7:38 PM
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > hello alex,
> >> > > 1) will you give part of your country to
> any
> >> other
> >> > nation?
> >> > > 2) who has given you right to speak for
> kashmir?
> >> > > 3) if kashmir is given to muslims what
> about
> >>  those
> >> > hindus who have been
> >> > > living there since last thousand years?
> >> > > 4) will you dare to tell pakistan to
> give our
> >> land
> >> > back?
> >> > > vedavati
> >> > >
> >> > > --- On Sun, 7/6/09, Alex Stein <alex.stein at talk21.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > From: Alex Stein <alex.stein at talk21.com>
> >> > > Subject: Re: i was stunned
> >> > > To: "Vedavati Jogi" <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> >> > > Date: Sunday, 7 June, 2009, 2:27 AM
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>  >
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Vedavti,
> >> > > Thanks for your email.
> >> > > We are not standing in opposition to
> Hindus. I
> >> deeply
> >> > love India, its
> >> > > culture and its people. I believe,
> though, that
> >> the
> >> > Kashmir people have a
> >> > > right to self-determination, just like
> anyone
> >> else,
> >> > and I believe that it is
> >> > > in India's interest to grant it to them,
> at
> >> least when
> >> > the time is right.
> >> > > Best wishes,
> >> > > Alex Stein
> >> > >
> >> > > PS - you may be interested in my blog of
> my
> >> travels in
> >> > India last summer -
> >> > > wanderingsatlan.blogspot.com
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > falsedichotomies.com
> >> > >
> >> > > "The most radical and the only secure
> form
> >> of
> >> > possession is destruction,
> >> > > for only what we have destroyed is
> safely and
> >> forever
> >> > ours." Hannah Arendt
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>  >
> >> > > --- On Fri, 5/6/09, Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > From: Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
> >> > > Subject: i was stunned
> >> > > To: alex.stein at talk21.com
> >> > > Date: Friday, 5 June, 2009, 7:10 AM
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > hello sir,
> >> > >
> >> > > i went thru. your article about
> >> 'jeuish-kashmiri
> >> > dialogue group
> >> > > honestly i was stunned.
> >> > > i believe you have
> >>  been told absoluetly wrong
> >> > history.
> >> > >
> >> > >  do you know how much these kashmiri
> hindus
> >> have
> >> > suffered at the hands of
> >> > > muslims in kashmir?
> >> > >
> >> > > hindusthan is the only country which
> gave shelter
> >> to
> >> > people of your
> >> > > religion whole heartedly that was
> because
> >> hindusthan
> >> > is a hindu dominated
> >> > > country.
> >> > > i really wonder how can you try to
> befriend
> >> muslims,
> >> > basically how can you
> >> > > trust them? have you people not suffered
> at the
> >> hands
> >> > of muslims?
> >> > > have you not heard about 'muslim
> >> brotherhood'?
> >> > > rightnow, you may think that muslims in
> kashmir
> >> were
> >> > friendly with you
> >> > > hence they are nice. but are you sure
> that when
> >> you
> >> > fight with other muslim
> >> > > countries, these same kashmiri friends
> of yours
> >> will
> >> > support you against the
> >> > > latter?
> >> >
> >>  >
> >> > > i sincerely feel, hindus, and not
> muslims
> >> can be
> >> > your natural allies.
> >> > >
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