[Reader-list] "Jemima Khan's broken country"

[Rahul Asthana]

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--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "Jemima Khan's broken country"
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>, "anupam chakravartty" <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 5:22 PM
> Anupam - "shocking ..i didnt know
> there existed a theory of this sort too."
>  
> Sure exists. Not as some maverick comment or from a lunatic
> fringe but firmly believed in and propagated by many
> "serious" commentators. Has a strong following. 
>  
> At the same time, perhaps realising the idiocy of such a
> theory and the harm it's entrenchment is doing to
> Pakistan's need to introspect on how it has landed in the
> mess it is currently in, there are an increasing number of
> public voices in Pakistan who are ridiculing such
> 'conspiracy theorists' and asking Pakistan to 'get real'.
>  
> Apart from the 'there is no such thing as Taliban'
> opinion-set, there is also often the disctinction made
> between 'Good Taliban' (fight India, USA, Israel) and 'Bad
> Taliban' (fight Pakistan Army and Burn Schools and Behead
> Pakistanis etc).
>  
> The famous? / notorious? Gen Hameed Gul has this to say in
> an interview for Greater Kashmir about a question whether
> those being fought by the Pakistan Army in Swat are
> Taliban:
>  
> """""" No, they are not Taliban, they are mercenaries,
> playing in the hands of foreign agencies; they are funded,
> trained and equipped by these agencies. In the guise of
> Taliban, these mercenaries have let loose rein of terror in
> the area.
> 
> The genuine Taliban are actually fighting against American
> and NATO forces in Afghanistan.
> 
> As for as the people of Swat are concerned I told you
> earlier that they wanted the legal system, that is not
> actually the problem. During Mughal rule the whole of India
> enjoyed that legal system. It is only after the Anglo-Saxon
> law, introduced by British; we got the present judicial
> system where right is wrong and wrong is right.
>  
> So the peoples’ demand was natural. But the Indians
> sitting across the Durand-Line on the other side in
> Afghanistan wanted to destabilize Pakistan. Taking advantage
> of the situation, Indians played the same game that it had
> played in erstwhile East Pakistan. You know they first
> incited people and made them migrate and then used it as an
> excuse and attacked Pakistan. And this is the replay of the
> same game being played out now.
> 
> Not only India, Israel is fully involved in this game,
> although they are not concerned about Sharia, they basically
> want to denuclearize Pakistan. Both Indians and Israelites
> are afraid of the nuclear power of Pakistan. """""""
>  
> AND ALSO:
>  
> """""" Islamization, they are very much worried about that,
> but so far as the Talibanization in Pakistan is concerned,
> first of all they are not Taliban as a matter of the fact
> they are mercenaries who are hell-bent on destabilizing
> Pakistan. Secondly Americans believe that Talibanization
> brings a bad name to Islam and Sharia. So they are happy
> about it.
> 
> Taliban and Talibanization, this is not applicable in
> Pakistan. The real Taliban are actually fighting against
> foreign troops in Afghanistan and they have nothing to do
> with Pakistan. 
> """""""
> http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?Date=9_6_2009&ItemID=16&cat=9
> 
> It should be remembered that Hameed Gul is a very
> influential voice in Pakistan. And, he is just one amongst
> many voices who propagate similar views. 
>  
> Kshmendra
>  
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] "Jemima Khan's broken country"
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 4:19 PM
> 
> 
> indeed very poignant. thanks for sharing.
> 
> "it’s the first time Imran has felt the need to have
> security — nods,
> adding that there are no Taliban. They are a fabrication by
> Jews and Hindus
> to destabilise Pakistan" -- shocking ..i didnt know there
> existed a theory
> of this sort too.
> 
> -anupam
> 
> 
> On 6/9/09, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > A very well written article with some saddening and
> some delightful imagery
> >
> > Kshmendra
> >
> >
> > From The Sunday Times
> > June 7, 2009
> >
> >
> > "Jemima Khan's broken country"
> > (In Pakistan, refugee children live with the trauma of
> having witnessed
> > beheadings, yet she still finds much to beguile her)
> > EXTRACTS:
> >
> > - Ten men are lined up and each one is filmed talking
> inaudibly to camera.
> > The first man is pinned to the ground by four others.
> His throat is slit
> > like a goat at Eid and his head held aloft by his
> hair. The Urdu subtitle
> > reads: “This is what happens to spies.” It's a
> Taliban home video — to
> > jaunty music — of serial beheadings. There are
> plenty of these doing the
> > rounds nowadays.
> >
> > - Before I leave, Imran’s chowkidar (watchman) tells
> me that the newspapers
> > in Pakistan are all funded by Yehudis (Jews). His
> Kalashnikov-toting
> > commando — it’s the first time Imran has felt the
> need to have security —
> > nods, adding that there are no Taliban. They are a
> fabrication by Jews and
> > Hindus to destabilise Pakistan. He adjusts his belt of
> bullets.
> >
> > - Pakistan pulsates with conspiracy theories. One,
> which has made it into
> > the local newspapers, is that the Taliban when caught
> and stripped were
> > revealed to have been “intact, not Muslims”, a
> euphemism for uncircumcised.
> > (Pakistanis are big on euphemisms.) Their beards were
> stuck on with glue.
> > “Foreign elements” (India) are suspected.
> >
> > - Two children are fighting over coloured crayons when
> I arrive. A girl
> > with blistered burns on her face from the sun shouts
> at a small boy who
> > turns out to be her brother: “If you don’t give
> them back to me I’ll tell
> > the Taliban and they’ll cut your throat.”
> >
> > - According to the teacher in the camp, every child
> has witnessed public
> > beheadings. Eight-year-old Amina explains quietly from
> behind her teacher
> > how she saw her uncle’s stomach gouged out by the
> Taliban. Another girl’s
> > mother was shot for not being in purdah. And another
> was shot at with her
> > family when she was walking outside during the curfew.
> Seven-year-old Bisma,
> > I’m told, has seen all the male members of her
> family hanged in what has
> > become known as Bloody Square. She doesn’t speak.
> >
> > - The children are equally afraid of the army.
> There’s a joke going round:
> > “What’s worse than being ruled by the Taliban?
> Being saved by the Pakistani
> > army.” When the chief minister landed in a
> helicopter next to the camp a few
> > days ago, I’m told, the children fled screaming in
> terror to their tents.
> >
> > - A boy called Salman hands me a precisely drawn and
> signed picture of a
> > Kalashnikov. A shy eight-year-old girl sitting
> cross-legged next to him,
> > with her grubby green dupatta half obscuring her
> smile, offers me hers of a
> > helicopter shelling a village. “That’s my
> house,” she says, pointing to some
> > scribbled rubble.
> >
> > - Their schools and homes have been destroyed. All
> have had relatives
> > killed. An orphanage in Mingora was caught in the
> crossfire when soldiers
> > based themselves on the roof of the building with 200
> children trapped
> > inside.
> >
> > - There’s certainly support for the Taliban in the
> camps. They represent,
> > for many, an opposing force to an army that
> “drones” (it's now a verb here)
> > its own people. America’s war on terror, supported
> by the Pakistani army, is
> > unanimously viewed here as a war on Islam. Newborn
> twins have been named
> > Sufi Mohammad and Fazlullah after the two militant
> leaders in Swat.
> >
> > - You need only to read Salman Rushdie’s Shame to
> understand how important
> > honour (izzat) and reputation are — although I
> shouldn’t really write that.
> > The last time I admitted to having read Rushdie (for
> my university
> > dissertation on post-colonial literature), I had a
> thousand placard-waving
> > beards outside my door and adverts in the papers,
> calling me an apostate and
> > demanding that my citizenship be revoked.
> >
> > - Like everyone here he likes to opine: where Pakistan
> has gone wrong,
> > where politicians have gone wrong, where the
> interpreters of Islam have gone
> > wrong, where Imran has gone wrong and, by the end of
> our stay, where
> 
> 
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