[Reader-list] [Lalgarh Does not Exist]

Thu Jun 25 16:33:59 IST 2009

dear rajen,

thanks so much for saying that. i look forward to more such fruitful
discussions with you. i agree with what you have said in your last mail
completely.

-anuapm

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Anupam,
>
>  it is not pertinent whether you cite millions or few hundreds, of the
> incidents of crime and violence, the issue is such criminals have to be
> taken care by rule of laws, no justification or excuse that it is "reaction"
> to action will suffice, is unjustifiable.
>
> With population of over one billion, the incidents of deviants have to be
> dealt firmly, according to laws, judicial system fine tunes to act quickly,
> as justice is not only to be delivered, but seen to be as
> delivered.Individuals or group of individuals becoming vigilantes or
> delivering justice vecause the system is slow is only compounding the issues
> in to bigger problems of law and order as the law keepers will be
> outnumbered by such mobs, and chaos will be the result in society fo all
> citizens.Justifying any type of violence is absolutely absurd, as it only
> encourages the individuals to form a critical mass of numbers of individuals
> to indulge in violence, extortion, rape and ilegal acts on other citizens.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rajen.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Rajen,
>>
>> Sir i can cite millions of similar examples from the north east, who have
>> been killed selectively for the past 19 years from Assam, Manipur,
>> Nagaland.
>> You may not even find chargesheets for them. the only witness is a lone
>> wife, or a mother or a sister. you know people usually dont lie about
>> missing people and suffer the prying eyes of the society. At least we know
>> that Sadhvi Pragya is in a custody. What are your thought 1192 persons
>> including wife of one Satish Mishra burnt in the Godhra train carnage, who
>> is officially still missing in the police records. these are the seeds of
>> discontent that lawmakers are sowing -- the so called morally upright. i
>> have no sympathies for sadhvi or any one who is abetting or encouraging
>> these activities even in the case of naxals but i would be interested as
>> to
>> find the root of all these discontentment. however, if i am asked to rank
>> naxals and hindu right or muslim fundamentalism or zionism or violent
>> evangelism, i would say naxals or maoists are more real and have a better
>> ideology than fundamentalists. at least in their aims, they are supposed
>> to be fighting for the cause of the downtrodden. my only cause of concern
>> is
>> the use of violent means to gather support and selective killing of the
>> feudal lord by the naxals. however, fundamentalism doesnt deserve a space
>> in
>> the democracy. never...never. it is evil to think that i am a hindu
>> that's why i should rule the land and be the law...its purely evil.
>>
>> thanks anupam
>>
>> On 6/24/09, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > dear Anupam,
>> >
>> >    a citizen of the nation only becomes the politician , police officer
>> or
>> > law keeper and elite security personnel, Any one who breaks law has to
>> be
>> > under  scanner of same rule of laws, democracy in practice is where
>> > irrespective of the status, faith or contents of the  purse of the
>> > individual, rule of laws prevails. But we see different yardsticks being
>> > used by our citizens on different occassions, just one example, a 28
>> year
>> > old lady is in custody of SIT in mumbai for months now, with
>> investigation
>> > not showing any progress or proof, but we talk of our concerns,worry
>> about
>> > some,  selectively, not about this lady, because she is labeled as
>> sadhvi.?
>> > What about human rights of this lady and eleven others who for the sake
>> of
>> > vote gains, division of votes were arrested by a ruthless fuedal leader
>> > using honest cop, Hemanth karkare.?
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 3:52 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>> c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> dear rajen,
>> >>
>> >> you should have included the politicians, the police officials, CRPF
>> >> members
>> >> who take violent measures to quell violence. its ironical but true as
>> well
>> >> as in several places in andhra pradesh, manipur, kashmir. politicians
>> are
>> >> biggest sympathiser of such actions..they are equally responsible.
>> instead
>> >> of question why such violent forms of dissent are happening across the
>> >> nation, you are just discussing what forms of dissent should be
>> employed.
>> >> why there should be so much of strife? unless you dont understand and
>> >> express your thoughts about that talking merely about violence becomes
>> >> irrelevant.
>> >>
>> >> second, inclusion of binayak sen and teesta setalvad along with praveen
>> >> togadia makes your argument really weak here. because you seem to have
>> one
>> >> yardstick to measure everyone -- either you are with us ( the so-called
>> >> law
>> >> abiding citizens) or you are an enemy of the state. however problems in
>> >> this nation exist in particular as it is a diverse country. even
>> several
>> >> state security agencies do not employ similar measures in tackling with
>> >> the issues in chattisgarh to quell naxalite movement, while keeping the
>> >> communal rioting at bay. so how are presenting binayak sen and praveen
>> >> togadia in the same pedestal. the word "sympathiser" has several
>> >> connotations. you can sympathise with the cause that a particular
>> movement
>> >> is raising but may not sympathise the means by which solutions to the
>> >> problem are being taken by these banned organisations.
>> >>
>> >> -thanks anupam
>> >>
>> >> On 6/24/09, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Dear All,
>> >> >
>> >> >    any citizen, in his / her excercise of rights of freedom to
>> >> expression
>> >> > can express his/her views in democratic India, but taking laws into
>> >> their
>> >> > own hands as a way of demonstration of protest is not acceptable in
>> any
>> >> > society, as this violence not only hurts the innocents, but also
>> >> destroys
>> >> > the civil liberties of citizens and violence only begets more of it.
>> Be
>> >> it
>> >> > naxalites, maoists, fanatics of any faith, when they resort to
>> violent
>> >> > means
>> >> > of addressing the issues that they percieve as wrong, it destroys the
>> >> > societal harmony, liberties of the citizens, worse, it ushers in
>> >> atrocities
>> >> > by the state machinery on every citizen under assumption that he/she
>> is
>> >> > "sympathiser"
>> >> > of such violent actions of these groups. Binayak Sen and all other
>> well
>> >> > meaning individuals  of naxalites also fall in this category,just as
>> a
>> >> > praveen togadia or afjal guru and geelanis and theestas of the
>> nation.
>> >> Let
>> >> > the laws of the land take firm and definite action against law
>> breakers,
>> >> > whether in uniform or citizens of the nation, only rule of laws which
>> if
>> >> > impartial, non partisan, without fear or favour acts on the deviants
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> > society, the democracy will floursh, dissent without violent action
>> to
>> >> > express dissent is acceptable, but dissent in the form of violence is
>> >> not
>> >> > acceptable in civil society.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > Rajen.
>> >> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:14 PM, subhrodip sengupta <
>> >> > sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Maoist spokesman detained in Kolkata for questioning. Finally to
>> >> threaten
>> >> > > these people you yeild the rod in central Kolkata. Nothing new,
>> they
>> >> had
>> >> > > always been. Now specially when govt gets itchy over NAxalite's
>> >> strategy,
>> >> > > what aft But detaining spokespersons or message bearers is against
>> >> > > politics.. Naah these guys wanna rub out the traits of Maoism from
>> all
>> >> > books
>> >> > > in India, something in which the Khilji's failed. Bad luck, Mr.
>> >> > Chakravorty,
>> >> > > you are in the police net. As for Central Kol., it has always
>> >> woitnessed
>> >> > > police attrocities for the last decade. Off course there might be
>> some
>> >> > bomb,
>> >> > > etc. but isnt this guy a herald. A few women were similarly held in
>> >> Delhi
>> >> > > recently on same allegations without substantial proof as if thus
>> the
>> >> > > ideology can be erased and the system and the ranks rationalised.
>> This
>> >> > came
>> >> > > hopefully as a reaction to a pro-people's assembly where some noted
>> >> > > activist threated to arrange a Dharna before writers and
>> BUddhadev's
>> >> > office,
>> >> > > with
>> >> > >  off course many Maoists, if CPI(ML) was banned. The ideology is
>> >> clearly
>> >> > > more dangerous and revolutionary than the army! Messing up things
>> will
>> >> > > definitely not help, Mr. Bhattacharya! LAlgarh lives on, as a
>> >> revolution.
>> >> > > Does First War of Independance( Ok revolt of 1857 exist?)
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
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