[Reader-list] Hindu families in Pakistan feel scared, India grants Visa

[Vedavati Jogi]

as far as sc/sts are concerned we are not ready to accept that reservation policy has miserably failed. what they need is free and compulsory education till 12th std. and thereafter scholarships and interest free loans for higher education plus proper domestic condition for education in which children are not looked upon as bread earners.  
 
consider a situation in which father is drunkard, who beats up his wife and children everyday, his wife is a maidservant who works whole day and earns only two thousand per month. can we expect these children to be doctors and engineers even if seats are reserved for them. only lalu's and paswan's children can take advantage of reservations.  politicians don't want to understand the real nature of the problem and real needs of these people. discussing these issues on readers list and holding elite class responsible for the miserable condition of sc and sts is not going to solve any problem. 
 
as far as muslims are concerned too much has been talked about descrimination faced by them in cities. few years back i had read on readers list that their children are not given admission in schools. i remember, i had asked the writer for the names of those schools, there was no reply from him. recently shabana azmi had complained that she was denied flat in mumbai, hence times of india checked with many builders in mumbai and they found that there was absolutely no descrimination. in cities life is so fast that nobody has time to check whether his/her neighbour is a hindu or muslim. then why this fake problem is being created by socalled seculars? i sincerely feel that seculars are responsible for creating gulf between hindus and muslims by such unfounded rhetorics.  
 
muslims send their children to urdu schools or madarssas, they want separate laws which allow them to marry four times. in that case who is responsible for their bad soci-economic condition?
 
if you really care so much for muslims, then ask them not to maintain their separate identity instead ask them to join mainstream. ask them to send their children to english -hindi or regional language medium schools. ask them to accept common civil code. hindus have so far trusted muslims now muslims have to reciprocate.
 
as far as pakistan is concerned, if you are still trusting them, then i must say you are truely secular ! then i would advice you to go to pakistan and start discussing plight of poor hindus in their country. it will be more benificial for improving relationship between india and pakistan.
 
vedavati 
 
 Sat, 21/3/09, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Hindu families in Pakistan feel scared, India grants Visa
To: "Taha Mehmood" <2tahamehmood at googlemail.com>
Cc: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Saturday, 21 March, 2009, 9:19 AM


Dear all

It seems sad that from once a time, when I was not a member, (and used to
read articles on civil rights, poverty and others), today, we keep on
discussing about Kashmir, Pakistan, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Kashmiri
Pandits, Kashmiri Muslims (traitors or sufferers), bla bla bla....

I don't mean that the question of identity is not important. Nor does it
mean that such issues of migration are not important. But there are other
issues as well, can't we discuss them in detail as well.

The SC's and Muslims of India face a calamity today in terms of their
economic and social conditions. While the SC's are discriminated against in
various parts of the country, the Muslims are discriminated against in
cities, in the name of religion. Can't we talk about this, and how this
affects them in varying degrees economically and socially? And if identity
is so important (it is, but that much important as the articles put up in
Sarai, I don't feel), then how come we don't talk about SC's ST's and
Muslims from economic and social angle point of view?

The ST's of India are even in a worse position compared to the SC's and
ST's. After all, they are stripped bare of their livelihoods, and have to
migrate as well, to places which their ancestors would never have gone to
even once in their lives. They forget their own culture and places, like the
Hindus and Muslims during partition. Aren't they to be talked about??

Or is it that as most of us are not SC's/ST's/Muslims (of poor economic
background), we can forget them?

Isn't poverty our single biggest enemy, not these identity based people?
Then how come identity is a major concern with us? Probably a result of all
of us being well fed and coming from well off families, has meant identity
is a major concern for us rather than poverty.

What about the issue of civil rights? When terrorists attack us, ultimately
the issue degenerates into one of whether we can trust Indian Muslims or
not, whether we can trust Pakistan or not? Brilliant. If we can't trust a
neighbor, how come we have been so foolish as to be living with that same
neighbor, be it internal and external, peacefully, for the last 60 years?
And why don't we remember what Gandhi and Jesus said, 'An eye for an eye and
a tooth for a tooth will lead us to path of destruction'.?

Instead we keep on asking about tough laws on terror, tough laws on any
situation, forgetting that they affect civil rights, and reduce the
incentive to work hard as well. Why not open up and liberalize our
democracy? Where are the talks about that?

Why don't we try to understand the problems from the base, and then think of
possible solutions to close them up, not only for this
Kashmir-Pakistan-India-Afghanistan axis, but also for the other larger
gambit of issues which are there to be discussed?

Regards

Rakesh
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