[Reader-list] Fwd: The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims

Wed May 6 12:50:25 IST 2009

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
Date: May 6, 2009 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
To: bipin <aliens at dataone.in>

dear bipin,

i think you missed out on the thread. read what chanchal has to say and then
read my reply. i have no intentions to appease one particular community.

-anupam

On 5/6/09, bipin <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:

> Black money poured into the temple funds, just it is poured in the mosque
> funds also and terrorist activity also.
>
> But you are keeping mum on this part. Your argument is only for that matter
> goes against Hindu only.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "anupam chakravartty" <
> c.anupam at gmail.com>
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
>
>
> Dear Chanchal,
>>
>> You are absolutely right. I do not think there is a conflict. One would
>> love
>> something only when one can feel. one becomes a hypocrite if he/she do not
>> feel for the nation and sing the national anthem so that they can show
>> off.
>> doing something for its sake without involving yourself personally is not
>> right. it is dishonest.
>>
>> one doesnt need your understanding of saffron and the hindu religion to
>> know
>> what this nation is. and for your kind information area of operation holds
>> large amounts of black money being poured into temple funds from the
>> foreign
>> nations earned with fake immigration scams. you can go on and on about
>> your
>> version of deshbhakti by sitting comfortably in an AC room in front of
>> computer and keep singing national anthem, while your country, your gods,
>> your peace gets traded in the mindless communal politics.
>>
>> - anupam
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> *To:* sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2009 10:54:29 AM
>>
>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
>>>
>>> dear chanchal
>>>
>>> national anthem is sung when you feel for your country. not out of force.
>>> please spare the national anthem at least from your rhetoric that sounds
>>> like ones that you get to read in the saffronised websites.
>>>
>>> at least be geniune in your critique. mugging up points from a propaganda
>>> site would not really help.
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> anupam
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/6/09, chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Indian Muslims are those whose forefathers betrayed with their own base
>>> > foundation Hinduism - either out of fear or lust.
>>> > Indian Muslims are those who historically didn't play a major role in
>>> > Indian Independence, and rather took lead in Khilafat with Gandhi (the
>>> > apostole of peace) to massacre over 10,000 Hindus in the name of God...
>>> > Indian Muslims are those who established a thick line in 1947 that they
>>> > cannot live with Hindus who unfortunately happens to be their own
>>> ancestral
>>> > brothers...
>>> > India Muslims now have loosed their credibility of being a part of
>>> > Nationalist attitude by publicly denying to accept National Anthem,
>>> National
>>> > Song and denying Bharat as maata... when these things should have >
>>> nothing
>>> to
>>> > take with Hindus... but now slogans like 'Bharat maata ki Jai', 'Jana
>>> gana
>>> > mana', 'vande maatram'... are all part of only Hindu culture...
>>> > Indian Muslims are now a partners of Terrorism, and by and large >
>>> declared
>>> > Terrorism... most of their leaders shout publicly that every Muslim
>>> should
>>> > be a terrorist with some logical background that terrorism should be >
>>> for
>>> > non-believers often purified through management language...
>>> > Indian Muslims or any Muslim in this world (barring exceptions - 1 to 2
>>> > %
>>> > of the population), has to re-establish their credibility that they are
>>> > humans and worshipers of humanity first before unknown, unseen God who
>>> > according to them hates, prepares fire of hell, prepared heaven with
>>> houris
>>> > and virgins, asks people to murder...
>>> >
>>> > WHO WILL SOLVE THIS IGNORANCE OF HATRED IN THE NAME OF GOD - ONLY
>>> HINDUS...
>>> > That is the reason Muslims have existed from over thousand years in
>>> India,
>>> > and Hindus and others have been eliminated from Islamic lands...
>>> > Historically proven, demography of today proves this...
>>> >
>>> > One should not enforce their own intolerance upon Hindus in the name of
>>> > Babri and Gujarat Riots... They must go back into 1000 years of History
>>> > which created Babri.. Kashmir.. and Godhra...  One must talk of CAUSE >
>>> and
>>> > not EFFECT alone... The Effect on Hindus are much deeper than anything
>>> else
>>> > in this world...
>>> >
>>> > The well integrated four Varnas - popularly known as Aryas - were >
>>> divided
>>> > and remains divided because of Invasion and Western Politics still >
>>> ruling
>>> > this nation...
>>> > The ever free women of India were put under 'Ghunghat' for ever to hide
>>> > their face from the Islamic looters... Brahmins had to impose child
>>> marriage
>>> > among Hindus because their girls were picked away at an early age in >
>>> the
>>> > name of 'Virgin' given by God to Islamic rapers... British took >
>>> advantage
>>> of
>>> > this and teached the whole population that these are the raw culture of
>>> > Hinduism...
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunate, the same Best Scientists, Philosophers, Pschologists and >
>>> all
>>> > failed to defeat Swami Vivekananda who put Hinduism on top of >
>>> everything
>>> on
>>> > their land... Read him, read Hinduism from its scripture (and not from
>>> the
>>> > mouth of Dr. Zakir Naik)... and you will know that WORLD LIVES BECAUSE
>>> > HINDUISM IS ALIVE EVEN IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY...
>>> >
>>> > A person respecting his parents is Hinduism, A person loyarl to his
>>> > Religous Guru is Hinduism, A person dedicated to his job is Hinduism, A
>>> > person marrying and leading a stable family is Hinduism... A person
>>> getting
>>> > spiritual in line with God is Hinduism...
>>> > You may change the books, induce impurity in the name of God in those
>>> > books... but the truth will ever remain... The world exists because of
>>> > Hinduism and the world will exist only as long as Hinduism is alive -
>>> > directly or indirectly....
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: M Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
>>> > To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
>>> > Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:38:01 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
>>> >
>>> > Dear Kshmendra
>>> >
>>> > Who is an Indian Muslim?
>>> >
>>> > We need to answer this before we can answer your "...should they be
>>> > thinking about using the Islamic flag..."
>>> >
>>> > Javed
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Kshmendra Kaul > <
>>> kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > QUOTE:
>>> > >
>>> > > It also carried drawings of two white and black flags, the former > >
>>> being
>>> > the main flag of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) and the >
>>> latter
>>> > his military standard. Even now, black-turbaned TNSM members carry the
>>> small
>>> > white and black flags as they walk ahead of Sufi Mohammad. ...... >
>>> UNQUOTE
>>> > >
>>> > > This quote is from an article on Maulana Sufi Mohammad written by
>>> > Rahimullah Yusufzai.
>>> > > http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=175825
>>> > >
>>> > > No green flag. No crescent and star on it.
>>> > >
>>> > > The green flag with the crescent and star on it which is used by > >
>>> Indian
>>> > Muslims has often caused misunderstandings.
>>> > >
>>> > > One recent example has been Simi Garewal talking about Pakistani > >
>>> Flags
>>> > being flown by Indian Muslims. She apologised later for having mistaken
>>> the
>>> > Islamic Flag of the Indian Muslims for the Pakistani Flag.
>>> > >
>>> > > The close resemblance between the 2 flags confused even Anupam
>>> > Chakravartty, who inspite of video coverage from Times Now showing it >
>>> to
>>> be
>>> > a Pakistani Flag, insisted that what was flown in Assam with " sickle
>>> (sic)
>>> > and star on green background  is an islamic symbol"
>>> > > http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2009-April/018755.html
>>> > >
>>> > > In an earlier mail I had commented:
>>> > >
>>> > > """""" If this is factual, then the question arises for the Indian
>>> > Muslims that should they be thinking about using the Islamic Flag >
>>> without
>>> > the Crescent and Star so that it does not appear to be close to being >
>>> the
>>> > flag of Pakistan? """"""
>>> > >
>>> http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2008-December/017016.html
>>> > >
>>> > > Just thinking aloud
>>> > >
>>> > > Kshmendra
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
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